Othram - General Discussion - #2

[othram]

In cases where a shoe is such a critical piece of evidence, why are there no photos of the shoe? It doesn't need to be a graphic photo, just an image of the same shoe as it appeared brand new from the manufacturer. This is done when someone goes missing in a vehicle, if no images are available of the actual vehicle. "Similar to the one shown" would work. "Size eight women's" unfortunately is not enough. That is a very common shoe size for women. "New Balance": the company still exists, so images can surely be found of the shoe in question.

Good question. We generally work from images and text that are signed off by law enforcement. Sometimes clothing and items are described in more detail if they are unique. New Balance shoes are probably fairly generic looking and it's possible the shoes were not in photographable condition (speculating here). Either way, we report as much as we can and if we get new info or photos, we often post an update on the page.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

A very mysterious and intriguing case from Othram:

Who is Clallam County Jane Doe (2021)?

Literally only the woman's foot was found and already, I wonder what happened to her to end up like this.

https://www.facebook.com/100064480098627/posts/540902928069039

 

[othram]

New case solve announcement:

DNASolves: After 35 years, Somerset Jane Doe is Identified
Websleuths: PA - PA - Stoneycreek, WhtFem 20-40, UP16596, burned in tractor trailer accident, Oct'87

 

[John/Jane Doe]

A new solved case:

After 52 years, Mohave County Jane Doe (1971) is Identified

Mohave County Sheriff's Office and Othram Team to Identify 1971 Jane Doe

dnasolves.com

 

[othram]

A new solved case:

After 52 years, Mohave County Jane Doe (1971) is Identified

Mohave County Sheriff's Office and Othram Team to Identify 1971 Jane Doe

dnasolves.com

You beat us to it! Two solves in one day!

 

[musicaljoke]

A new solved case:

After 52 years, Mohave County Jane Doe (1971) is Identified

Mohave County Sheriff's Office and Othram Team to Identify 1971 Jane Doe

dnasolves.com

From the article:
In January 1971, an unknown female victim was located in the desert area near a dirt road, 2.2 miles east of US Hwy 93 on Hackberry Road. The victim was located in a canvas sack that had been tied at the top with a white cotton rope...

In January 2023, the victim found her voice. She is now identified as Colleen Audrey Rice. DNA testing of a family member confirmed her identity after countless hours of investigation into her family tree and contact with distant family relatives.

Colleen Audrey Rice was born on 3-17-31 in Portsmouth, Ohio, the daughter of James C. Rice and Flossie Truitt. She went to Portsmouth High School, from which an early photo of her was obtained (the main photo used in this story). She married William Davis in 1946 in Ohio. She was estranged from her family, so little is known of her life or how she came to be in Arizona. It is unknown if she had children as no records could be found. The investigation is ongoing into the suspect and/or suspects responsible for her death. The Mohave County Sheriff's Office continues to seek the public’s assistance with providing any information they may have on the later years of the victim’s life.

 

[Wilma_W]

I know Othram can't comment on this one but this is a really fascinating story:

40 years later, Tylenol murder investigators order new DNA tests on key evidence

That has to be extremely complicated since so many investigators would have touched the bottle and pills. But if James Lewis' DNA is found on the pills, I can't think of a valid reason for that, so maybe that would be enough (along with the circumstantial evidence they already have).

 

[dotr]

I know Othram can't comment on this one but this is a really fascinating story:

40 years later, Tylenol murder investigators order new DNA tests on key evidence

That has to be extremely complicated since so many investigators would have touched the bottle and pills. But if James Lewis' DNA is found on the pills, I can't think of a valid reason for that, so maybe that would be enough (along with the circumstantial evidence they already have).

Almost forgot about the case, ty.

IL - IL - Chicago Tylenol Murders: 7 people dead from cyanide poisoning, 1982

Bump. I remember this as a young kid on the news. Person(s) never caught .

www.websleuths.com

 

[othram]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

 

[dotr]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

NJ - Richard Thomas Alt, Trenton, 1 Apr 1985

New Namus Case. I did not see another thread. Richard Thomas Alt - Namus Case Demographics Missing Age 31 Years Current Age 69 Years First Name Richard Middle Name Thomas Last Name Alt Nickname/Alias Tommy Sex Male Height 5' 10" (70 Inches) Weight 140 lbs Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian...

www.websleuths.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

Not finding a Doe thread, @othram .

This is his missing thread.

NJ - Richard Thomas Alt, Trenton, 1 Apr 1985

Edit: Ah, I see @dotr beat me to it!

 

[iamshadow21]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

Just reading about the case. It sounds like he and his girlfriend were probably killed at the same time and thrown in the river. She was found fairly quickly. His skull was found after over a year, but pre-DNA, they had no way of determining it was his. So sad. I hope this gives his family the closure they've been looking for.

 

[othram]

Just reading about the case. It sounds like he and his girlfriend were probably killed at the same time and thrown in the river. She was found fairly quickly. His skull was found after two years, but pre-DNA, they had no way of determining it was his. So sad. I hope this gives his family the closure they've been looking for.

It is very sad and it highlights how important newer DNA tech is, for helping sort out these cases.

 

[iamshadow21]

It is very sad and it highlights how important newer DNA tech is, for helping sort out these cases.

Especially when someone's found away from where they went missing. It sounds like he and his girlfriend were killed and went into the river in Trenton, but his skull was found in another county. Time, and another jurisdiction, and a Doe can and will sit waiting for an ID until science catches up to connect the dots. Good job.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

Human skull found on banks of Delaware River in Bucks County in 1986 identified

Bucks County Skull ID'd: A fisherman found a human skull in June 1986 on the banks of the Delaware River by the Morrisville Boat Ramp.

6abc.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

Skull Fished Out Of Delaware River ID'd As Missing Trenton Man

A skull fished out of the Delaware River nearly 40 years ago has been identified as belonging to a missing New Jersey man, authorities revealed Monday, Jan. 30. Richard Thomas Alt, a 31-year-old Trenton man, was last seen by loved one…

dailyvoice.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

Skull found in Pennsylvania identified as missing New Jersey man from 1984

The skull of a man found in 1986 on the banks of the Delaware River in Morrisville has been linked to a missing Trenton man from 1984, Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub announced on Monday.

brooklyn.news12.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Excited to share that we were able to assist the Bucks County DA's Office in identifying Richard Thomas Alt, who was 31 years old when he was reported missing in 1985. Not sure if there is a Websleuths thread. This case was funded by audiochuck!

DNASOLVES: After 37 years, Bucks County John Doe (1986) is Identified

NEWS POST: AUTHORITIES IDENTIFY HUMAN SKULL FOUND IN 1986 IN MORRISVILLE

Bucks County Detectives partnered with Othram Inc., a private forensic DNA laboratory based in Texas, to identify the skull found in 1986 on the banks of the Delaware River in Morrisville, Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub announced...

bucks.crimewatchpa.com

 

[Caring1]

Just saw this posted on UID thread, link below. (((Othram)))

After 37 Years, Unidentified Woman is Identified Using Genealogy Technology

Sylvester, GA (January 31, 2023) – A woman who remained unidentified for 37 years has been identified as Mary Anga Cowan, missing out of Seminole County, FL. On Friday, May 14, 1985, the Baker County Sheriff’s Office requested the GBI assist with an investigation into the discovery of a woman...

gbi.georgia.gov

Identified! - GA - Newton, WhtFem 522UFGA, 25-30, red white & blue bandanna, May'85 Mary Anga "Angie" Cowan

Jody Ledkins was just added as a rule out/exclusion for this Jane Doe Currently this Jane Doe now has 7 rule outs Missing Person / NamUs # MP1994 Jody Ledkins, Female, White / Caucasian Date of Last Contact May 23, 1985 State MO County Jackson Terry Gayton Date of Last ContactSeptember 22...

www.websleuths.com

 

[othram]

Here we go (new case announcement): After 37 Years, Newton Jane Doe is Identified