J. J. in Phila
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I have heard that the podcast will have new information and might point to a coverup of the investigation.
I have heard that the podcast will have new information and might point to a coverup of the investigation.
Oh sure. Has there ever been an unsolved case in history where a “ coverup” was not alleged?
The forensics on Ray's finances proves what I've always thought about him. That is, Ray was a honest, hard-working gentleman who lived a quiet life.
How many computers are we discussing? One was in the top of Patty's closet. Ray purchased a new desktop in 2004, the same year he paid cash for the Mini Cooper. Did he have another computer at work?
His laptop is found on July 30 with the hard drive removed. Is this the laptop that was in Patty's closet?
I don't think Ray walked away when he was a mere 9 months away from full retirement benefits. He could have those retirement checks directly deposited into nearly any bank in the world.
PEF could have said, **Get out of my house, and don't take my car.** She was probably worse off financially until he was declared dead, so a hit does not make too much sense.
A cuckold is possible, but a bit unlikely. Why didn't the hypothetical husband kill his wife, especially if she was present. If her lover died, would she trust her husband knowing that her lover mysteriously vanished and that he might have done it?
I have considered the possibility that he met a woman and had a lover's quarrel that escalated into her hitting or pushing him. Also that RFG was with a woman and that there was accident or illness and she didn't want to explain a dead DA, possibly to a husband.
You know the area and the type of people who lived there 21 years ago.
Was it violent? Was it a hangout for sexual trysts? Some places are known as dangerous or bad, and they don't have to be a large town or city.
People in the area know what to expect after dark in a bar or the like if they go cruising there.
But, he wasn't cruising as far as we know, not there, anyway, and he wasn't looking for trouble when he drove to an area of antique vendors he liked for a lazy afternoon, even if that was a cover story all along.
IMO, Lewisburg was for meeting up and leave-taking. It was the equivalent of staging post- crime, except we have no evidence at all of any crime.
I'm having trouble reconciling the report of the mystery woman bring seen with Ray at the SOS in Lewisburg because Ray also took Patty to the same place on occasions. Why would he chance humiliating her in such a blatant manner?
Yes, I once posted on this case many years ago. I'm having to reacquaint myself with details. IE., I viewed this vid of the vast amount of shops but surely don't know if it looked the same then as now.The SoS is a shopping area, not a place for social or romantic interaction as such. It wouldn't necessarily be thought of as unusual for two people, not romantically linked, to be there. Nobody there would have known if he with that other person on a regular basis. Further, if this was a romantic encounter, it would have been unlikely PEF would have found out about it, assuming that RFG came home.
The only way that PEF would find out is if someone who knew both of them would run into him in Lewisburg. It was 50 miles from Bellefonte, so that was unlikely.
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It would be much more likely to cruise in State College. More bars, and more young ladies. The Street of Shops does not appear to be dangerous. It is also not a particularly good place for a tryst. The restaurant is a 50's style diner, not particularly romantic. There is no motel in the immediate area.
It would be possible to meet someone there and go to a motel or a vacation house, which could be remote.
in someways this case reminds me of some other strange deaths .
the Hotel Cecile case and the case Elisa Lam and another where a rather important man seems to go on an odyssey, wandering buildings, losing things along the way and winding up dead in a dumpster. I can"t remember his name offhand..
I wonder if we would be wondering the same about them had they never turned up dead.
we see him acting mildly erratically , as he is works odd hours, sleeps, slams the door, drives erratically, takes an excursion, is seen wandering stores.
what can we learn?
mOO
Thank you so much, J. That's the best overall description of Lewisburg ever. I agree with you about State College, and all college cities.
I believe Ray was NOT hiding at all. He was seen in the SOS, in the park, in the Packwood House. It was the opposite, like he wanted to be seen in Lewisburg. If I'd been a detective, I'd have looked more at his visibility. One thing an almost- public presence leads me to is being SEEN EVERYWHERE, then deliberately DISAPPEARING. That's almost like the old " Magic Acts". You want to be seen alive and well until the very moment you drab things way down and head out of town, leaving the pretty car that was probably really liked a lot behind.
He also could have been waiting for the lady he was seen with and making his presence more visible outside a car which might have been too hot for him to sit in the sun, IDK. His car was, in 2005, almost a bulls- eye target. Something we need to remember more, now that they are so common in most areas of the country.
Maybe he bought his Mini Cooper and former sports car with disappearing via a helper in mind. I've been thinking about this for some time. " Do what they ( the police) would not expect" since friends have said he made statements to the effect that he liked to outwit the police in a major way. It was a game to him.
Maybe he had really liked the " spy" TV shows of the 60's and turned what they did around in some parts, and used what they did in other areas. It would be natural to do so if someone were planning a once in a lifetime getaway to never return. I just hope he didn't have to use much out of " Robinson Crusoe". Maybe luck was with him and he went to his own " Treasure Island".
This is a real possibility. Couple that with going to a place outside of J-A-SC media market and it looks like it was an attempt to deliberately misdirect.
in someways this case reminds me of some other strange deaths .
the Hotel Cecile case and the case Elisa Lam and another where a rather important man seems to go on an odyssey, wandering buildings, losing things along the way and winding up dead in a dumpster. I can"t remember his name offhand..
I wonder if we would be wondering the same about them had they never turned up dead.
we see him acting mildly erratically , as he is works odd hours, sleeps, slams the door, drives erratically, takes an excursion, is seen wandering stores.
what can we learn?
mOO
PA - PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #15Numerous people noticed that RFG had a change in his demeanor. This is the time line on it.