PA - Shane Montgomery, 21, Philadelphia, 27 Nov 2014 #5

[charminglane]

:greetings:

We thank you for joining us in the quest to bring Shane home.

 

[takeittothebank]

I just watched again an interview with the mom and uncle from a few days after he disappeared. She said Shane probably got separated from his original group 40 to 45 minutes after arriving at Kildare's, though we dont know if that is 100% fact. There also could have been separations then reunions then separations. I would be interested in knowing the last known time someone had a conversation with so that we can know how much time is unaccounted for where he was alone or with someone who hasnt come forward.

Did we have a time for when Shane got to Kildares? Was it approx 1am? Because if he got separated from his group at 1:45 then it makes him not waiting his group even stranger.

And interesting to listen to the uncle again. He says they heard first hand from the bouncer that Shane did not stumble out of Kildares. So is the bouncer lying or did something with Shane's well-being change after leaving Kildares and before being on surveillance. Would the bouncer lie to protect himself, protect Kildares, or is he guilty of something? Here is the interview Im talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PdbB9HRsw



And this is another interview where she says the separation happened when one went to one part of the bar and someone else went to the bathroom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZi_f8BxZlY The uncle also says in this one that the cousin attempted to get in touch with Shane when the cousin was still in Kildares.

 

[Snicker]

What do we know about the distant relative/employee of Kildares that supposedly escorted Shane to the front door of Kildares? Has that person ever been named in the media? Do we know how they are supposedly related? Has this person been researched on social media?

 

[takeittothebank]

Here is what I am finding interesting from those early interviews. Shane's uncle says the bouncer told the family that he saw Shane walk out of Kildare's and he wasn't stumbling. But, there is nothing indicating that the family even knew about the bouncer's sighting [that turned out to be false] early on., despite talking to the bouncer early on. I find that strange. Its weird that it took that a week to come to light and that the bouncer might not have said anything about it to the family, or anyone, early on.

Am I correct that the person who interacted with Shane regarding the DJ incident was the deemed relative? So if the bouncer's only interaction with Shane was that he watched him leave the bar, why would the bouncer even think it was Shane apologizing to him. Why would he think Shane would be apologizing to him, if he was simply standing at the door when Shane left and did not see the DJ incident.

Again,I do not know what to make of Kildares staff shady activity in this. Im sure a lot of it is liability and not wanting to be accused. But then I wonder about other stuff.

 

[scaredtopost]

How well do locals know each other? Let's say someone in his family had arrested a person, would that person recognize Shane as the officer's relative? Moo

 

[Snicker]

Here is what I am finding interesting from those early interviews. Shane's uncle says the bouncer told the family that he saw Shane walk out of Kildare's and he wasn't stumbling. But, there is nothing indicating that the family even knew about the bouncer's sighting [that turned out to be false] early on., despite talking to the bouncer early on. I find that strange. Its weird that it took that a week to come to light and that the bouncer might not have said anything about it to the family, or anyone, early on.

Am I correct that the person who interacted with Shane regarding the DJ incident was the deemed relative? So if the bouncer's only interaction with Shane was that he watched him leave the bar, why would the bouncer even think it was Shane apologizing to him. Why would he think Shane would be apologizing to him, if he was simply standing at the door when Shane left and did not see the DJ incident.

Again,I do not know what to make of Kildares staff shady activity in this. Im sure a lot of it is liability and not wanting to be accused. But then I wonder about other stuff.

An early article at www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Manayunk-Bar-Details-Internal-Investigation-into-West-Chester-Students-Disappearance-284388181.html?_osource=outbrain_recirc=obinsite states (BBM):

"A Philadelphia pub is launching its own investigation following the disappearance of a 21-year-old college student, who was last seen leaving the Manayunk neighborhood establishment early Thanksgiving morning.

“We wanted to put to rest various false reports regarding the disappearance of Shane Montgomery," said Jim Townsend, director of operations for Kildare's, in a news conference Monday afternoon.

Shane Montgomery, a West Chester University student, was kicked out of the Main Street pub after he bumped into the DJ booth, according to his parents.

While Townsend confirmed that Montgomery did bump into the booth, that's where the stories differ.

"Some reports suggest that Shane was thrown out of Kildare’s in an intoxicated condition needing a cab or other assistance... At no point was there any confrontation when he was leaving the premise," said Townsend. "His relative – an employee of Kildare’s – walked him to the front door area and his interactions with the staff were polite."

In fact, several staff members interviewed, including the DJ, referred to the 21-year-old as "polite" and "respectful."

Shane left the bar just before 2 a.m. and hasn't been seen since."

 

[charminglane]

scaredtopost thinks outside the box.

Nice.

 

[Ski1987]

scaredtopost thinks outside the box.

Nice.

Giddy up!

 

[takeittothebank]

Thank you Snicker for confirming. So the deemed relative interacted with Shane about the DJ thing,,,,, so why does the bouncer even remember Shane and his supposed good condition when leaving if there wasnt an incident. Why would he think Shane would apologize an hour later if he [the bouncer] would not even know about the DJ incident. Why does it not seem the family knew about the false sighting early on. Things about the bouncer isnt adding up imo, dont know if it means anything though.

 

[Ski1987]

:greetings:

We thank you for joining us in the quest to bring Shane home.

You Would make an amazing hostess Charming. So welcoming!

 

[Snicker]

Thank you Snicker for confirming. So the deemed relative interacted with Shane about the DJ thing,,,,, so why does the bouncer even remember Shane and his supposed good condition when leaving if there wasnt an incident. Why would he think Shane would apologize an hour later if he [the bouncer] would not even know about the DJ incident. Why does it not seem the family knew about the false sighting early on. Things about the bouncer isnt adding up imo, dont know if it means anything though.

Here's another version from another article at www.phillymag.com/news/2014/12/02/reward-shane-montgomerys-disappearance-rises-25000/ (BBM):

"Jim Townsend, the Director of Operations of Kildare’s, explained Monday that there was no altercation or friction surrounding Shane’s departure from the bar and emphasized that he was not acting drunk."

According to Townsend, Montgomery then met up with a relative, who is a Kildare's employee, who informed him it was closing time. He says it was 1:50 a.m. when the relative walked Shane to the front door where they were met with security who saw Shane out.

Townsend says, "Other than the front door staff, Shane did not have any interaction with any other management or security staff or cause a disruption as he left the restaurant. He was respectful and left the premises on his own."

It's anyone's guess where the truth lies in all of the versions that have been given.

 

[takeittothebank]

Here's another version from another article at www.phillymag.com/news/2014/12/02/reward-shane-montgomerys-disappearance-rises-25000/ (BBM):

"Jim Townsend, the Director of Operations of Kildare’s, explained Monday that there was no altercation or friction surrounding Shane’s departure from the bar and emphasized that he was not acting drunk."

According to Townsend, Montgomery then met up with a relative, who is a Kildare's employee, who informed him it was closing time. He says it was 1:50 a.m. when the relative walked Shane to the front door where they were met with security who saw Shane out.

Townsend says, "Other than the front door staff, Shane did not have any interaction with any other management or security staff or cause a disruption as he left the restaurant. He was respectful and left the premises on his own."

It's anyone's guess where the truth lies in all of the versions that have been given.

And the 1:50 time again.......19 minutes before being seen on surveillance. :thinking:

 

[TMAN2014]

And the 1:50 time again.......19 minutes before being seen on surveillance. :thinking:

How does the bar know it was 1:50 AM? Why not 2:05 AM, and then Shane goes straight to the lot? If the cameras were not working, how would they know what time Shane got thrown out? I almost think the 1:50 time was given to show they were not serving past 2 AM. It seems like half of this case is the bar covering up for liability reasons, but these facts materially affect the timeline of the disappearance. I take some of these supposed facts with a grain of salt, unless someone besides the bar verified the facts.

 

[takeittothebank]

How does the bar know it was 1:50 AM? Why not 2:05 AM, and then Shane goes straight to the lot? If the cameras were not working, how would they know what time Shane got thrown out? I almost think the 1:50 time was given to show they were not serving past 2 AM. It seems like half of this case is the bar covering up for liability reasons, but these facts materially affect the timeline of the disappearance. I take some of these supposed facts with a grain of salt, unless someone besides the bar verified the facts.

You make good points. But I wonder what time the DJ gave LE, if asked. I think he would have less reason to lie for Kildares?

 

[Snicker]

Thank you Snicker for confirming. So the deemed relative interacted with Shane about the DJ thing,,,,, so why does the bouncer even remember Shane and his supposed good condition when leaving if there wasnt an incident. Why would he think Shane would apologize an hour later if he [the bouncer] would not even know about the DJ incident. Why does it not seem the family knew about the false sighting early on. Things about the bouncer isnt adding up imo, dont know if it means anything though.

Agreed - especially if you take Kevin's confirmation from the DJ who was working on the first floor that the incident did not involve him - it's only logical that the DJ incident must have occurred on the second floor with the other DJ and the relative escorted Shane from the second floor to the first floor, then Shane was seen by the bouncer as he let him out the front door. I wish there were more surveillance cameras to determine when Shane walked out of Kildares, how long he was outside Kildares before he headed toward the nail salon, what he was doing before he was crossing the bridge into the parking lot, etc.

In the Hannah Graham case, some of the surveillance cameras were from inside stores that were closed, but activity on the street outside could be seen. I'm wondering if LE or the family have checked interior cameras that might have captured Shane or others before he went over the bridge - or even after.

 

[TMAN2014]

I am relatively new to following these missing persons cases. I wonder, if in some of these other cases, you have similar dynamics, where an establishment gets "all lawyered up" and says the right things legally and by the book, but those right things are not necessarily the best device for finding the missing person.

 

[charminglane]

YOU can call me charm!

In my former life I was a madam in the old west.
Giddy up.

Is there a way to check if there have been any lawsuits filed against the Kildare's corporation? I'm thinking there might be some kind of past issue that the film flam arises from.

 

[Snicker]

I am relatively new to following these missing persons cases. I wonder, if in some of these other cases, you have similar dynamics, where an establishment gets "all lawyered up" and says the right things legally and by the book, but those right things are not necessarily the best device for finding the missing person.

It happens sometimes, especially if the business could be held legally liable for negligence or wrongful acts. In most of the cases I have followed, businesses that are not directly involved are usually cooperative. And businesses, if approached informally by LE or the family, are not obligated to cooperate. Management and employees are free to say anything they want or to say nothing. They would only be obligated to cooperate if records were subpoenaed by court order. Even if management or employees were subpoenaed to testify, individuals could choose to plead the fifth and refuse to answer. JMHO

 

[Snicker]

YOU can call me charm!

In my former life I was a madam in the old west.
Giddy up.

Is there a way to check if there have been any lawsuits filed against the Kildare's corporation? I'm thinking there might be some kind of past issue that the film flam arises from.

I would imagine PA requires a liquor license for a business that serves alcohol to operate, correct? I would check to see if they've had any violation. Also, the county clerk's office would have record of litigation where Kildares was the named defendant.

 

[Jonesy124]

What do we know about the distant relative/employee of Kildares that supposedly escorted Shane to the front door of Kildares? Has that person ever been named in the media? Do we know how they are supposedly related? Has this person been researched on social media?

I would like to preface this by saying everyone thinks they are related in Roxborough it's like West Virginia. Shane's uncle on mom's side not the uncle on TV is married to deemed relative's aunt. He does not have social media accounts that I am aware of and has not been named in the media.