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When PR gave her "interview" to CNN, she warned that the residents of Boulder should keep their
babies close to them. Too bad she didn't keep her other baby, BR, close to her that morning. She
sent him away not worrying about his safety. Way to put the fear into the community, PR!


that for me is a bdi and pdi together kicker.
why didnt patsy want burke close to her that morning.
locked him away in his room and then off loaded him to a friend.
all my kids are all my babies..
so why wasnt burke her baby that morning...???
i mean if your going to all these lengths to protect him supposedly from the police and jail ???
did she blame him for starting it???
definately speaks volumes
 
that for me is a bdi and pdi together kicker.
why didnt patsy want burke close to her that morning.
locked him away in his room and then off loaded him to a friend.
all my kids are all my babies..
so why wasnt burke her baby that morning...???
i mean if your going to all these lengths to protect him supposedly from the police and jail ???
did she blame him for starting it???
definately speaks volumes
His parents didn't want him speaking at any length with LE on the scene? Or didn't want him there when the body was found? Both?
 
When PR gave her "interview" to CNN, she warned that the residents of Boulder should keep their
babies close to them. Too bad she didn't keep her other baby, BR, close to her that morning. She
sent him away not worrying about his safety. Way to put the fear into the community, PR!

I think that was the whole idea. Right out of the Susan Smith playbook.

On a personal note, I don't like being manipulated, and that's exactly what she did with that "interview." She snuck right under my radar, and that just ticks me off.
 
I think that was the whole idea. Right out of the Susan Smith playbook.

On a personal note, I don't like being manipulated, and that's exactly what she did with that "interview." She snuck right under my radar, and that just ticks me off.

You're not only SuperDave, but you're SuperSuperDave.
 
that for me is a bdi and pdi together kicker.
why didnt patsy want burke close to her that morning.
locked him away in his room and then off loaded him to a friend.
all my kids are all my babies..
so why wasnt burke her baby that morning...???
i mean if your going to all these lengths to protect him supposedly from the police and jail ???
did she blame him for starting it???
definately speaks volumes
Hard to get the freak show on the road when you've got your nine year old son there in the middle of the imminent chaos.
Keeping him there helps nothing. If they were truly innocent, yes....keeping him there would make sense and should be expected. Or if allowing him to leave, she should accompany him. They weren't innocent though so they needed to get him out of their hair for various reasons.

Even though he was obviously safe at the Whites, pure idiocy by the cops/FBI to allow him to go there and even worse, without an escort. It was still in the "kidnapping" phase at that point.



Perhaps this is a terrible misjudgement on my part, but I immediately thought that Patsy cut off JBR's hair because she was losing her own hair.
Was this just an act of spite - if I can't have hair neither can you?
Overly identifying with her daughter, seeing JBR as an extension of herself?
Was JBR being bratty because mummy was being rough with her hair?
Or just another coincidence?
One of many reasons I wish Patsy was still alive. The surface was barely scratched on the relationship between the two and IMO is one of the keys to figuring out what exactly happened... not just that night but in the weeks/months leading up to it.

Many secrets reside in her coffin and they will stay there.



When PR gave her "interview" to CNN, she warned that the residents of Boulder should keep their
babies close to them. Too bad she didn't keep her other baby, BR, close to her that morning. She
sent him away not worrying about his safety. Way to put the fear into the community, PR!
It was Patsy deploying a diversionary tactic. Keeping the focus of the community(and the whole world watching) on there being a "killer on the loose". Yeah there was a killer on the loose alright and she was giving a statement on CNN....

Suspicions were already being aimed in the family's direction. It needed to be deflected and who better for the job required than Patsy? Dave's right....she showed herself to be a master manipulator and also take into account she has enough benzos flowing through her blood to down an elephant....yet pulled herself together long enough to do it.

Do you think John could've pulled that off?

Re-reading the book is revealing to me that PR may have done this whole thing, alone. The whole range of investigators, DAs and experts thought she did it, alone, and they were the ones at the scene, seeing the evidence and witnessing the suspects' behavior.
Yep....

The closer one was to the case, the more likely they thought it was Patsy. That speaks volumes.

One thing that is of great importance is that both JR and PR lived in Atlanta during the child murders which ended with the arrest of Wayne Williams. It was the first well-known case where FIBER evidence solved the murders. It was a brand new and very technical science and everyone in Atlanta knew all about fiber evidence. Makes me wonder about PR holding the body and rocking while wearing the same clothing that would eventually be linked to the fibers found in very incriminating places.

PR knew about fiber evidence. Just saying.
I've wondered how much interest she really had in crime in general. Obviously she referenced OJ and Susan Smith although those were two recent, very high profile cases. Good observation on the Atlanta child killer. While that did get some mainstream attention, it got a LOT more down there and she was old enough to follow the story.

I know the Mindhunter book is a bit controversial as some say they owned it, some say they didn't. Most assumed it was John's and maybe it was.....doesn't mean she didn't read it or books similar to it.
 
If I understand correctly, he was moved out to FW & PW's home being supervised by the White's
family members who were there for Christmas. FW & PW were at the Ramsey's. I guess the
R's were okay with somewhat "strangers" watching him that morning.
 
*snip*It was Patsy deploying a diversionary tactic. Keeping the focus of the community(and the whole world watching) on there being a "killer on the loose". Yeah there was a killer on the loose alright and she was giving a statement on CNN....

Suspicions were already being aimed in the family's direction. It needed to be deflected and who better for the job required than Patsy? Dave's right....she showed herself to be a master manipulator and also take into account she has enough benzos flowing through her blood to down an elephant....yet pulled herself together long enough to do it.

Do you think John could've pulled that off?

Yep....*snip*

I watched the recent CNN special. What was different this time is that, instead of showing the oft-played "There's a killer on the loose", CNN played what came just before it:

Cabell: "You believe it's someone outside your home."
John: "No." [Jerks his head back to his left.]
Patsy: "There's a killer on the loose."

John's reply is not in the transcript. I watched that part several times and he definitely says "No".
 
Wow. Has the entire exhange hit youtube yet? I wish I had watched all these specials lately. There were too many and I figured if any bombshells dropped they would get posted here. I don't remember John saying no when asked such a question. That's a doozy. I also hate how the entire interviews are difficult to find. youtube usually has them in pieces and for some reason that Larry King with Patsy going a few rounds with Thomas cant even be found anymore.

I get those first two interviews mixed up sometimes. Is the one you're talking about where she's doped up and John is having to help her finish her sentences?

If he says no to it being someone outside the home, isn't this basically an admission on national TV that he thinks its someone inside the home? Was he so focused on praying Patsy doesn't screw up that he himself wound up screwing up?
 
Wow. Has the entire exhange hit youtube yet? I wish I had watched all these specials lately. There were too many and I figured if any bombshells dropped they would get posted here. I don't remember John saying no when asked such a question. That's a doozy. I also hate how the entire interviews are difficult to find. youtube usually has them in pieces and for some reason that Larry King with Patsy going a few rounds with Thomas cant even be found anymore.

I get those first two interviews mixed up sometimes. Is the one you're talking about where she's doped up and John is having to help her finish her sentences?

If he says no to it being someone outside the home, isn't this basically an admission on national TV that he thinks its someone inside the home? Was he so focused on praying Patsy doesn't screw up that he himself wound up screwing up?

Yeah, John's "No" really threw me for a loop. I was like "Hang on... Did he just say what I thought he said?" I rewound it and watched it again and again and again. "Yep", I confirmed to myself. "He definitely said 'No'."
 
Singularity

The Atlanta Child Murders were HUGE news in Atlanta at the time that the Ramseys were living there. IIRC there were 35 murders attributed to Wayne Williams, only 2 of which were over the age of 18. People were freaked out as yet another story came out about another child's body being found. It seemed that it would go on forever and that each week brought another murdered child into focus.

PR and JR would have known all about it and all about the fiber evidence which ultimately convicted WW. It was the first nationally covered murder case which educated the public about forensic fiber evidence - so much so that WW started dumping the bodies of his victims in the Chatahoochee river.

You could not have been living in Atlanta and not know about it. They knew and contaminated the scene to explain their fibers on her body. End of story.
 
Because even blind squirrels and Ray Charles know there was no intruder in that house to leave any DNA at the scene.

As David Lee Roth would say, "it aint rocket surgery...."
 
You possess fantastic critical thinking skills, Meara, thank you for expressing them. It seems Blue Bottle 01 and I may be the only ones active in the forum who believe the murder was premeditated, or as BB is apt to say, preplanned.

Oh, that Patsy was a clever Fat Cat. She purchased an Essentials blazer very similar to Priscilla's. She left JARs luggage with its incriminating contents under the basement window; Burke's knife is in the WC. She blamed the housekeeper and Santa McReynold's.

As a director of a play might do; Patsy prepares the opening scene of her creation for us:

1) She let's us know that John's business [success] is related to the murder. A copy of the October, 1996, Boulder County Business Report was found near John's desk. It had his picture circled with a red, hand-drawn, heart. The others in the photo were marked X.

Posted by Maikai on Aug-25-01 at 09:09 AM (EST)

"In "Ricochet" the victim the psycho went after had appeared in the paper receiving an award. The psycho was obsessed with revenge, and after he escaped from prison to pursue his victim, they went into his jail cell, and they dumped a box out, and showed up close on the screen, the article with the victim receiving an award. Either no, or an X was on the other people in the picture, and a heart drawn around the victim's head. The markups on the Entrepreneur article are very similar to the article in "Ricochet."


2) She let's us know this is a religious matter. The Holy Bible is bookmarked with a satin ribbon to 118 Psalms and includes this same figure as the ransom demand amount of $118,000 which is a lowly amount considering the value of JBs life and John's net worth.

In Patsy's mind, she may not believe she murdered JonBenét but rather sent her daughter to heaven, to a better place, so she would never know what it's like to lose a child, etc.

3) She let's us know this is about incest. The dictionary page is folded back to point to the word "incest" and dresses her child in oversized panties to point to this fact not away from it.

4) She writes a lengthy ransom note. No matter how stoic, no matter how strong-willed, no matter how heartless a person is, no matter how important the reason is, a kind, loving, devoted mother could not sit down and write a 3 pg RN immediately after their precious daughter's death, accidental or otherwise. There is proof in the pad that there was a practice RN. I think Patsy had the RN inside the pad for a while until it came time to use it by copying it and leaving it on the stairs, then destroying the practice note.


This Fat Cat can fight and doesn't care how empty it sounds!

"I didn't put the bowl there. OK? I didn't put the bowl there," Patsy told Smit.

"But now, I'm telling you they are not somebody else's. I'm telling that they belong to the one of two of you," Haney responded.

"Well, I don't know. I did not put that there. No," Patsy said.

It was Patsy's fingerprints on the bowl — according to police — suggesting that Patsy gave the fruit to her daughter. But if Patsy did give it to her, and was lying about it, the investigators wondered, could she be lying about everything?

"Sometimes, the simplest most obscure little thing could be so significant," Haney said.

It was Patsy's fingerprints on the bowl — according to police — suggesting that Patsy gave the fruit to her daughter. But if Patsy did give it to her, and was lying about it, the investigators wondered, could she be lying about everything?

"Sometimes, the simplest most obscure little thing could be so significant," Haney said.

"Right. I did not feed JonBenet pineapple. OK? So I don't know how it got in her stomach. And where this bowl of pineapple came from. I can't recall putting that there," Patsy said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/searchin...ogation-tapes/

I can't recall putting that there," Patsy said.

Her fingerprints are on it! Some people would say Patsy is obviously stonewalling. I would disagree. Patsy is clearly setting her defense against possible murder charges.

From the same source:
What does she think about these fibers? Says Patsy: "When I - after John discovering the body, and she was brought to the living room, when I laid eyes on her, I knelt down and hugged her. But I was, had my whole body on her body. My sweater fibers, or whatever I had on that morning, are going to transfer to her clothing, OK?"

Recent consideration has prompted bumping this post from 2014. PDIs may find this thread to be of great interest. The thread has over 2600 posts!
 
That's true, but fibers belonging to her were found on things relating to the crime. Not only that, but in Thomas's book he stated the fibers matched the blouse PR wore that night. I understand what you mean though. But what's odd is that neither parents fingerprints were on the ransom note, yet they claim to have handled it. Patsy's (and burkes) fingerprints were on the bowl of pineapple which she claimed not to have touched. The DNA is important to a lot of people, but so is the above. We can't outweigh evidence out of our own opinions.
This is very important. PR claims to have picked the RN pages up off the staircase. Paper is extremely absorbant, and her fingerprints and her TouchDNA would be left on those pages - if she had picked the pages up as she claimed. Given that it is large notepad paper and not some small card stock, one would not be to pick the pages up by only holding the edges. And there are NO fingerprints, and NO TouchDNA, so whoever wrote the RN wore gloves, and whoever placed it on the stairs wore gloves. If PR wrote the RN and placed the pages on the stairs, she was wearing gloves. Whoever wiped down the flashlight and batteries was wearing gloves. Were any animal (beaver or wolf or other) found anywhere other than with JBR?
 
I guess this is a good place to post this. In the last few months, I've seen people who don't want to believe Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note get more desperate. Specifically, more and more of them now would have us believe that the "killer" copied Patsy's writing, to varying degrees of success, depending on who you ask. TO me, this shows just how desperate the IDI side is becoming. Does anyone here have an idea on what the odds are of something like that happening? It's got to be astronomical.
 
I guess this is a good place to post this. In the last few months, I've seen people who don't want to believe Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note get more desperate. Specifically, more and more of them now would have us believe that the "killer" copied Patsy's writing, to varying degrees of success, depending on who you ask. TO me, this shows just how desperate the IDI side is becoming. Does anyone here have an idea on what the odds are of something like that happening? It's got to be astronomical.

The idea that someone copied Patsy's writing is in the Fake News category. I'll be charitable and label it as counterfactual.

I'd bet the house on Patsy writing the Ransom Note, her postmortem behaviour at attempting to mask her writing and deny prior examples tells you everything you need to know.

Patsy also said she never visited the Wine-Cellar Christmas Day yet her fibers are embedded into the knotting on the ligature, is this another IDI staging?

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