Penalty Phase #13

[katiecoolady]

Even if some of the jurors did happen to see DB's 'testimony' on tv tonight, it won't change anything, imo.

That's right. what I'd like to see though is a REAL reporter do some digging and expose that entire deal so it can be utilized when they try to fly this on an appeal. I may have a couple conversations tomorrow....

 

[pferrin]

You got it Mrs. N. MK has been working w/for the defense throughout this trial. He somehow just managed to "get" this interview right after Brewer mysteriously was "stalled"? (note how that was never asked and answered- why he wasn't testifying-no "intimidation" there).

it's one thing for unscrupulous desperate defense attorneys to pull this Hail Mary crap. ANother altogether for a local reporter aiding and abetting it.

KCL wasnt it just saturday that the reporter guy was a real jerk about TA...i bet he knew at that time he was gonna do the interview with db. And nurmi protest too loudly in court. They keep giving themselves away. Imo

 

[katiecoolady]

KCL wasnt it just saturday that the reporter guy was a real jerk about TA...i bet he knew at that time he was gonna do the interview with db. And nurmi protest too loudly in court. They keep giving themselves away. Imo

Kiefer was the last reporter in court today. There was almost no seat for him. He rushed in at the last minute. Was he setting this up?

 

[katiecoolady]

I don't see how that makes her be seen in a good light. Anyone who knows she's manipulative could take that statement and run with it, just as I did. DB made a selfish statement, but it was one that gave me more of an understanding of her motive to hop to the next man.

I agree with you..I just don't think it rang true given all we've heard. I think HE (and they) thought it might paint her in a more sympathetic light, like "see, someone wanted to marry her!"

 

[neesaki]

There's two ways of looking at it .. it depends if he meant it psychologically or not, I tend to think he did because he is trying to say Jodi is sick and needs help. At least at the end he showed visible disgust at what she did and says she should never be let out .. and he also said it was the shock of his life .. as it would be!

I can definitely believe he would be living in total fear if she ever got out. As crazy evil as she is, she might decide to work her way back through all her previous BF's. So that's the last person he would want to show up on his front doorstep, imo. Or anywhere near him for that matter, such as:
Crawling in through the doggy door.
Peeking in his windows.
Hiding out in his closet.
Hiding behind the Christmas tree singing 'O Holy Night'.
With her flat, empty eyes, her gun and her knife. :scared: I'd be having nightmares if I were him.

 

[ElleElle]

BBM~ Yes, Jodi saw "The Secret", got her boob job and stopped paying the bills.
She had her goal set on meeting a powerful, wealthy LDS husband. DB just did not make the cut, so she abstained from giving him sex. She was not abstaining within a week of meeting Travis. :facepalm:

I don't see how that makes her be seen in a good light. Anyone who knows she's manipulative could take that statement and run with it, just as I did. DB made a selfish statement, but it was one that gave me more of an understanding of her motive to hop to the next man.

 

[Ransom]

If Brewer contacted them, he did so when he was suited up and ready to head over for the interview in the prescribed space. This was planned and a total set up. It's so completely transparent to me knowing everything I know.

I thought it was odd when JVM and her producer said he was sitting the lobby of the hotel where all the press stayed.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So perhaps the mitigation expert has been doing something after all .. I would really like to know if she made a few suggestions to Nurmi about including some of Jodi's mental issues in mitigation, and Nurmi 'pretended' to her that they were not able to be used, but came up with this scheme to get it out there instead. Need to re-watch the interview to see what main points Daryl got across.

 

[writer7]

Sorry, I was thinking "Schizotypal:

Schizotypal personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a need for social isolation, anxiety in social situations, odd behavior and thinking, and often unconventional beliefs. People with this disorder feel extreme discomfort with maintaining close relationships with people, and therefore they often do not. People who have this disorder may display peculiar manners of talking and dressing and often have difficulty in forming relationships. In some cases, they may react oddly in conversations, not respond or talk to themselves. [1] They frequently misinterpret situations as being strange or having unusual meaning for them; paranormal and superstitious beliefs are not uncommon.
From Wikkopedia not DSM IV :blushing: but just fit the bill so well for me because she is so odd. That, and I don't think she fits the BPD unless we want consider she most likely was sexually abused as a child. :moo:

I am skipping ahead here, so my apologies if I'm missing something key in the meantime!

I think she's a psychopath with BPD, myself. But her levels were high on schizotypal thinking! It got me wondering. I bet it is due to 'The Secret', and she had an interest in witchcraft prior to that (I don't think she was just a Pagan).

I wonder if she has grown up believing in 'charms' or 'secrets' to power? My BPD sister sure latched onto those ideas. Love charms? Oh, she was there! Revenge charms? Fits right in with her particular view of the world.

Then we are also Native American and believe in spirits, etc, so there is a cultural (religious in some families) element to it. My sister believes in shape-shifters, Bigfoot by a different name, and all of that.

I don't know how the Arias family fit on the scale of 'magical thinking' due to culture, but I think JA's penchant for a fantasy life and magic may be due to her BPD. Especially if the family leans toward 'magical' cultural or religious views, because it would be normal to believe some things others don't.

I think it's mainly the fantasy life of a BPD gone into odd territory. I don't think hallucinations come to her or anything. I think it's of her own choice, if that makes sense. Magical thinking can be a choice. Professionals make a distinction between cultural beliefs and schizoid thoughts, for instance. Religion/philosophy is a sticky line in that field, as you'd imagine

 

[katiecoolady]

KCL wasnt it just saturday that the reporter guy was a real jerk about TA...i bet he knew at that time he was gonna do the interview with db. And nurmi protest too loudly in court. They keep giving themselves away. Imo

I just talked about it for the first time out loud this past weekend. He's been trashing Travis, to me, throughout this trial.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Now I'm thinking Jodi's interview was planned by her DT too ..

 

[Elphaba]

Ok I think I've gotten today figured out now.

I think they NEVER intended, after last week, to put on any mitigation witnesses. I think they knew the risk that would occur during cross would be more devastating than these "nobodys" in terms of Arias could do to help her (esp w/ her own family sitting in there oddly mute in front of the jury).

I believe they knew there was no way they'd get a mistrial out of this.

I believe they in some kind of desperate last min move, decided to throw themselves under the bus to set up an ineffective counsel appeal (that won't work). From what I've seen, it doesn't appear Willmott was thrilled about this last strategy which could have been cooked up by Jodi herself!

I do not think that Daryl Brewer belived he'd be testifying torday. I don't think the interview done with him was any accident. I think that was also totally cued up and ready to fire. That was Michael Kiefer speaking to him in the background who got his pal Lin Sue Cooney to do the front of camera stuff. This was not done for HER news station but HIS (AZ CEntral, an extension of the NEWSPAPER). Kiefer's trying to distance himself but I believe, based on all I know, that he was hipped up to this before court today and ready to go with his "interview" of Darryl Brewer.

I think this was all carefully choreographed. I think the defense decided to launch Brewer's "testimony" via Kiefer hoping the jurors might see it without him having to be cross examined.

I do think it was that well thought out/planned.
Including Nurmi's faux outrage and temper tantrum.

OMG, that is how I felt about the whole fiasco, but didn't know exactly how to put it in words... THANK YOU! What went down just felt... scripted...

 

[katiecoolady]

I thought it was odd when JVM and her producer said he was sitting the lobby of the hotel where all the press stayed.

lemme look at it again, I was interviewed in that lobby and know that hotel now like the back of my hand. I'll be able to tell I think.

 

[neesaki]

I really think we need the attorneys thought on this. It is very strange indeed. I just have a hunch that the last few days of this trial have been more about the strategy for appeal. Kinda like watching an NBA playoff when my team (always the one facing off with the Lakers for some reason) would just send in the bench and hope for a better game in the next round (or that Kobe would fall off a grandstand and break a leg - )

I believe so too. This DT knows they've already lost this jury. They have no credible mitigation witnesses who can stand up under Juan. They're desperate, they're panicking, and they have a client who is mean and defiant and a nutcase to boot.

 

[deedee21]

DB said he was close to asking her to marrying him, but he didn't want to have kids because it would take away from the first kid.

I can imagine that when she figured that out, that's when she jumped straight into PPL and this Mormon thing. She knew Darryl would always put his son first, even before her, and so she had to leave him to find someone who'd make her the center of the universe. I believe JM when he said she thought she'd get that in mormon husband.

But how did she get involved in PPL? She met Travis at a PPL conference. So she was already involved in that before he was in the picture.

I dont believe he was thinking about marrying her. Getting married and having another child would not stop visitation with his son. Nonsense.:floorlaugh:

 

[katiecoolady]

OMG, that is how I felt about the whole fiasco, but didn't know exactly how to put it in words... THANK YOU! What went down just felt... scripted...

It felt scripted because it was...straight up to the faux "interview" (ie testimony via media) . Which was the final straw for me to figure the whole deal out.

 

[trudy]

Ok I think I've gotten today figured out now.

I think they NEVER intended, after last week, to put on any mitigation witnesses. I think they knew the risk that would occur during cross would be more devastating than these "nobodys" in terms of Arias could do to help her (esp w/ her own family sitting in there oddly mute in front of the jury).

I believe they knew there was no way they'd get a mistrial out of this.

I believe they in some kind of desperate last min move, decided to throw themselves under the bus to set up an ineffective counsel appeal (that won't work). From what I've seen, it doesn't appear Willmott was thrilled about this last strategy which could have been cooked up by Jodi herself!

I do not think that Daryl Brewer belived he'd be testifying torday. I don't think the interview done with him was any accident. I think that was also totally cued up and ready to fire. That was Michael Kiefer speaking to him in the background who got his pal Lin Sue Cooney to do the front of camera stuff. This was not done for HER news station but HIS (AZ CEntral, an extension of the NEWSPAPER). Kiefer's trying to distance himself but I believe, based on all I know, that he was hipped up to this before court today and ready to go with his "interview" of Darryl Brewer.

I think this was all carefully choreographed. I think the defense decided to launch Brewer's "testimony" via Kiefer hoping the jurors might see it without him having to be cross examined.

I do think it was that well thought out/planned.
Including Nurmi's faux outrage and temper tantrum.

It's hard to believe this is what our justice system has become. The games attorneys play are horrific. You're theory may be right. It was obvious at the end of all the motions that Nurmi and Wilmont were startled that the judge was ready to continue with JA's statement. They did not know what to say except to quickly ask for a sidebar. JA had more than a week to prepare her statement. Guess they needed another delay so that Darryl Brewer's interview could take place prior to JA's statement.

Where do attorneys learn these tactics?

 

[wasnt_me]

I agree with you..I just don't think it rang true given all we've heard. I think HE (and they) thought it might paint her in a more sympathetic light, like "see, someone wanted to marry her!"

Thanks. Just discussing his interview further in general, not really the same points we discussed before---

I find that statement very telling because it seems as if after he made that statement, he started talking about how she spiraled downward. She took up another religion and became financially irresponsible. That sounds to me like, since he didn't want to get married, she checked out on him.

I don't know how he could make the statement that she was responsible and mature but then talk about how she acted at the end of the relationship. He says that she changed so quickly in a year and a half "after I left her." That's interesting, too. Didn't she leave DB with the failing house?

He speaks as if there is no concern for her changing the type of person she was--completely--while they lived under the same roof.

The interview had to be scripted or there had to have been strict agreement on what he could be asked because there are too many better questions to have asked him, and I'm sure it takes time for a reporter to compose the questions and make sure they aren't asking questions that would jeopardize the interview.

 

[MsJosie]

Am I the only one who feels like they were administered a freakin' MENTAL WEDGIE today?

What a way to destroy two more careers....she is very evil....too bad they were not strong enough to NOT go along with it. There careers will go no where for sure.

She will not be happy all of you have figured it out....we know the lawyers read here....her lady in waiting....mitigate lady...will be SURE to tell her, if the lawyers don't...just how smart WS members are.

JM has a job to do.....continue the march JM.

Thank You All.

 

[Dr. Know?]

There was confusion about that when DB was on the stand. JM was trying to pin down when the LDS visitors had really been there. I was confused by the significance. Probably because I don't know a lot of the exact details of before and around the time Travis started dating his murderer.

Oh she got confused between weekly Jehovah Witnesses knocking at her door and the LDS guys she invited over....gar