Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #7

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I think you're right. I believe he took her to his room to rob her of her casino winnings. This guy was constantly trying to get (extort) money from anyone who had it.

Joran didn't retaliate over an invasion of his privacy. He didn't have any personal pride in anything. I don't believe that for a second.

Flores caught him trying to steal from her and, unfortunately, resisted.

6'3" vs 5' 3"-4" ? She never stood a chance....nor did NH.

I do think after he murdered her he robbed her of all of her money but if it was his intent to just rob her all along, I don't think she would have been so brutally beaten. This man is so big compared to Stephany that he could have easily smothered her with a pillow.

The repeated blows shows he was in a murderous rage when he murdered her.

He didn't want her telling anyone in Peru who he really was. He had built up friendships in the Casino. He didn't want her to spoil his faux image there.

IMO
 
O/T I always wondered if Paulus (dad) took care of Natalee's body for son.
It always bothered me about the boat guy........he went to jail, was released,
got fired from boating job and then got a job through Paulus as a DJ. IIRC

and now no dad to cover up and clean up................JVS just left everything as is
for Stephanie and ran like a chicken, stupid enough for evidence! Thank the good LORD!!!
JMOO

I was always suspicious of the boat guy also. I just did not like the looks of him or the way he acted. I think his name was Steven Cruz. I never knew that Paulus got him a job as a DJ though. I think that Joran told Paulus and Paulus helped in getting rid of the body and that's where Cruz came in. He had access to the party boat and Natalee was dumped far out at sea. Didn't Cruz also give a false alibi by saying that he saw Joran and the K's drop Natalee off at the hotel. I think that Joran had a very deep attachment to his father and after his death didn't really care what he did or what happened to him.
 
Joran lies. There is no way his 'motive' is the truth. The only truth here is that he murdered SFR. Everything else that comes out of his mouth? Garbage.
 
Can someone translate this and give us the short version? I've read that it says Joran punched her in the face ten times.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-07/ontractualidad1093733.html

It killed her for checking his laptop
For J. Yucra

He is a professional player of poker and it was thinking about having an ace under the sleeve, but his alibi collapsed as a castle of playing cards. The Dutch Joran van der Sloot (23) did not have another exit that to confess the murder of the young woman Stephany Flores Ramírez (21), whom he met in a casino of Miraflores. ' Yes, I killed her. I did it, the accepted thing ', he said with an amazing coldness, without the minor sample of repentance.
According to police sources, the killer, in an examination of more than ten hours, attributed the crime to the anger that caused to him to find the girl checking the files of his laptop.

It is presumed that she opened the e-mails that the subject had on his well-known criminal acts. Then the young woman confirmed his suspicions in the Internet searchers, where there is abundant information of the crime of Natalee Holloway (17) and the extortion to his parents, in Aruba, facts of that he is the principal suspect.

They go der Sloot would have confessed his crime minutes after 9 p.m. of last Sunday. Then he breathed depth and remained in silence for the second lengths.

It would have revealed that the crime happened after 8:20 a.m. of Sunday, the 30th of May, in the hotel ' Tac ' of Miraflores, to where it had taken her after knowing her in the casino ' Atlantic '. Joran had gone to buy bread and coffee for the breakfast. She made use of his absence to check his laptop and discovered that it was with a killer and extortioner.

Puñetes and raquetazos
' He returned and got into a passion. They started both discussing in a violent way. The man beat her to death ', told a police source.

This version is confirmed by the rests of coffee found in the flat and the haematomas that the victim was presenting in diverse parts of the body.

Also, in the inquiry of autopsy one determined that the young woman was presenting traces of ten blows of handle in the face that broke the mouth and nose, provoking - simultaneously - inflammation in the eyes.

Also, five the blows in the head and the neck with a racket caused to him encephalic traumatism of mortal need. She also had bruises in the hands and feet, since she tried to defend oneself, but it was small what 90 of height could do before a man of more of meter.

Then, after committing the murder, the foreigner kept in two baggage his belongings and the objects of value of the victim, as well as jewelry and money, to go out of the accommodation.

On the other hand, it was known that yesterday three psychologists of Criminalística were assembled for at least five hours with the foreigner.

His public defender, Carla Odría, resigned the defender on having found out about the confession.
 
is there a possibility that if he gives up Natalies bod ...the first murder would take precedant (sic) and he would first serve term for Nat in the Dutch system?

I don't think there is even a fleeting chance Peru is going to let him go anywhere. Even if another country attempts to extradite him, Peru is not going to agree to it, IMO.
 
is there a possibility that if he gives up Natalies bod ...the first murder would take precedant (sic) and he would first serve term for Nat in the Dutch system?


I asked this same question in another thread but I just heard Dam Abrahms on the Today show and he says Peru will not let him go after he has served his time there then Aruba could have him.
 
I always felt Paulus cleaned up Joran's mess and got rid of Natalie's body. There was something to me so evil about the "no body, no case" statements from dad. If that is indeed what happened Joran will be joining him in hell SOON.

Tim Miller is in Aruba now searching the pond that a witness said he saw Joran walking from the pond with one shoe and wet shorts. A few minutes later Joran rode by in the Jeep with his Dad, returning to the pond. The witness passed a lie detector test but Aruba refused to search the pond. This info came out a few years ago. TM is also searching a swamp area. I think one of Joran's stories was that Natalee was dumped in a marsh. Media is scheduled to be in Aruba tomorrow.
 
I think you're right. I believe he took her to his room to rob her of her casino winnings. This guy was constantly trying to get (extort) money from anyone who had it.

Joran didn't retaliate over an invasion of his privacy. He didn't have any personal pride in anything. I don't believe that for a second.

Flores caught him trying to steal from her and, unfortunately, resisted.

6'3" vs 5' 3"-4" ? She never stood a chance....nor did NH.

I disagree, I believe his delusions of grandeur make him feel more pride than he deserves. When somebody finds out his story is a house of cards and he's really just a guy who's infamous for murder and sex trading bad things happen.

He's a gangsta wannbe. JMO
 
OK, I just heard a reporter on Today state that when he came back from buying coffee that Stephany was on his laptop and had found out about Natalee. I don't know if I heard that right. I'll look for a link.

Just thinking if this is true, Stephany may have seen his face staring back at her of she checked the news online since it was the anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. He came back and she was trying to leave and he flew into a rage because he had not yet slept with her or talked her into a loan or gotten whatever he wanted.

will look for link....

wm
 
I believe this time Joran knows the Peruvian police are not like the Aruba police. He knows they have a mountain of evidence against him.

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I dont believe he even tried to clean up or get rid of evidence...... and openin and closin his laptop (as stated) yep he was checkin the news to see if they had found her....he was tryin to get back to Aruba to mommas arms before she got found. I do believe he thought if he got back home all would be fine after all Joe T says he has a bullseye on his back over Natalee......and he HAS gotten away with alot in the last 5 years. JMO
 
What time did he officially leave the room for good?

Because my theory is:

I personally think she was dead PRIOR to the coffee run...........He knows there are cameras.....I think he lured her up there by telling her to check out his laptop to purchase so of course her fingerprints are going to be on it. THUS THIS IS WHY HE IS SAYING THAT SHE INVADED HIS PRIVACY as an EXCUSE to say he killed her. No one is going to buy a laptop/netbook etc without checking it out first. He used the laptop/netbook as a lure AND an alibi per say in my book when the real reason was because she resisted him sexually and he realized that she was on her period and he was disgusted and went into a rage and the thoughts of "daddy" being gone; no money; and the anniversary of Natalie's death all rolled into one huge storm..............that left an innocent young lady dead.
 
It's bugging me...I can't find the inventory video now. I'd like to see it again. Does anyone happen to have a link for that?

NVM, I found one.

[video=youtube;UpIDu3OlauI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIDu3OlauI[/video]
 
i sorta wonder if he had communicated to someone on the laptop about stephany... said improper or insulting things or revealed his bad intentions in regard to her and thats what she had found and was pizzed....
 
Per RF (Stephany's father) on Today show, "We have his computer ... I think there have been many more" (murders) - "wants to speak with Dave" (Holloway)
Per DaveH (same show) - "knew nothing about the extortion plot (when told by the FBI) ... only Beth" - "I was totally unaware" - "Hopefully, this is the end of the road" (... for Joran)
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Re: SF murder, I suspect she found some sort of diary or log of his personal notes regarding the X plot and confronted him (there may have also been other murderous things she found also per her father's comment above)- JMO. Per what I have learned, JVDS had been extorting money from SF the whole week prior to her death,.
 
Reports say that he left the hotel room for a bit around 8ish and came back with 2 coffees and bread. IMO she may have been suspicious and gone on his computer while he was gone. was she suspicious because of his name and NH's disapearance? we will probably never know. This may be delusions of grandjeur on his account. She may have simply wanted to find out more about this guy, if he was married, etc.
I think he is just so psyco he got paranoid and killed her. It is human nature to be curious, it does not constitute murder and he is a .

I hope they put him away for a long long time.

This doesn't make sense to me. If she got suspicious and leery of him, why wouldn't she just have left at that point?

Nope... I think she was dead by that time and the the trip for TWO coffees was to stage an alibi.
 
Paybacks are a beach...........and Joran is getting his now........KARMA!
Natalee, Stephany and maybe other girls will see justice.
IMO, life in Peru jail, prison would be hello on earth and he deserves every day he lives in there.........IMO
May this be an example to other monsters.....we should send them all to PERU!!!
Send Misty, RC and TomC there and find Haleigh today!
USA gives to many rights to our prisoners and not the victims..........IMO
(bbm)

My opinion too!!

And while Peru's prison sound a little too tough ours seem to be a little too easy. Just look at Casey Anthony sitting in her nice little private cell in the air conditioning with a solid door and 3 balanced meals a day.
 
I do think after he murdered her he robbed her of all of her money but if it was his intent to just rob her all along, I don't think she would have been so brutally beaten. This man is so big compared to Stephany that he could have easily smothered her with a pillow.

The repeated blows shows he was in a murderous rage when he murdered her.

He didn't want her telling anyone in Peru who he really was. He had built up friendships in the Casino. He didn't want her to spoil his faux image there.

IMO

Robberies often escalate into murder. Happens all the time.

If she resisted and perhaps called him an insulting whatever, that would have been enough, IMO, to infuriate Joran van der Sloot....being the Phyco that he is.....don't you think?

He'd already been ID'd in the casino by the musician who recognized him and even warned someone of his reputation so he wasn't anonymous in Peru
 
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