Samantha Spade
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:giggle: at the thought of "" on ps's :twocents: link for acronym definitions.
Oh, a typo.
Silly me.
:giggle: at the thought of "" on ps's :twocents: link for acronym definitions.
lmbo! I think it's already been opened.
Dare I ask what the abrev. mean?
I found it!!! opcorn: There ya go, :justice:
ASDFJKL; = home keys on a keyboard
WWJD = What Would Jesus Do?
EIRWEOIVENWMOKFDWKMDSHJK = tapping the keys because I couldn't think of anything more sarcastic.
Oh, a typo.
Silly me.
I've been saying all along my FOIL requests would be denied, too.
I guess you're just one of those people who is never wrong about anything but, as far as that quote above goes, there's the entire thread still here for anyone to read. In post #11 I state that requests like this get rejected, and provide the reason. In post #12 you state "quite the contrary", and give a bunch of examples that you (mistakenly) think support the idea the FOIL request will be successful. So, no, you weren't saying all along that your request would be denied. In post #14 you concede that there's a "chance" of denial; this happens to also be the first of several posts where you take "personal offense" about being disagreed with. I mean, it's all there to read.
Edited to add:
From the "911 Calls" thread, back in September, a whole page of how you felt "all along" about forcing LE's hand re: the call:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135917&page=2
As far as the cases I've cited, it shows more than just a slam dunk loss. Gould's case is cited many times in reference to a denial with regard to police reports and information. The collective references show that a "detailed" reasoning for asserting Section 82(e)(i) is required. It is very likely the SCPD will make reference to that law, and it is very likely that an administrative appeal will need to be filed. If it goes to the lower court of appeals, I'm prepared for that as well as taking it to the Supreme Court if need be. There's reason to believe that this request isn't off the charts. The exception of certain information can be redacted and the SCPD will have to honor that especially if a judge orders it.
Show us an example of a FOIL request being honored for copies of a recording of a call made to an E911 system outside of New York city by someone other than the person who made the actual phone call.
TAF
If she wants to try, I see no harm in that. She might succeed. If she doesn't, no harm done. I admire her for trying and just not doing nothing.
Leave the woman alone. She tried to actually do something about this case.
Or an even better idea....how about all of you FOIL experts help MM write one that will work????
Freudian???
Subdivision (4) of §308 states that:
"Records, in whatever form they may be kept, of calls made to a municipality's E911 system shall not be made available to or obtained by any entity or person, other than that municipality's public safety agency, another government agency or body, or a private entity or a person providing medical, ambulance or other emergency services, and shall not be utilized for any commercial purpose other than the provision of emergency services."
Although the term "municipality" most often would include a town, city or village, Section 301 of the County Law contains a series of definitions for application in Article 6, and subdivision (1) defines "municipality" to mean "any county except a county wholly contained within a city and any city having a population of one million or more persons." That being so, §308(4) applies only to counties outside of New York City.
In the three examples cited by MysteryMom, not one of them are examples of E911 records obtained from a County outside NYC via a FOIL request.
-The Sept 11th 911 calls example doesn't apply because they were from within NYC's 911 system and exempt from protection by the law.
-Both the Troy, NY and the Sleepy Hollow, NY recordings were made prior to those small rural towns implementing an E911 system (not sure if either police department has spent the $$ yet to convert to the high-tech system). The older 911 systems used by the rural towns are not subjected to the new law.
Show us an example of a FOIL request being honored for copies of a recording of a call made to an E911 system outside of New York city by someone other than the person who made the actual phone call.
TAF
If she wants to try, I see no harm in that. She might succeed. If she doesn't, no harm done. I admire her for trying and just not doing nothing.