POI: Carman Monaco, Jr.

[inspctrgadget]

A few questions, since I know nothing about Monaco:

1). What does he do for a living?
2). Where is he from?
3). Does he have any ties to NJ?
4). Which of the Manorville victims is he connect to?

Mountain Kat,

We don't know too much. I've tried to address the questions as best as I can.

1) He works for Hub Truck Rentals. We don't know exactly what he does, but I assume he has a commercial/truck driver's license and delivers trucks to renters or drives trucks to various Hub Trucks locations, including the shop located in Calverton for repairs. Hub Truck Rentals doesn't provide drivers, they only rent/lease trucks.

From approximately 1998-2004, we think he made truck deliveries throughout the city (and probably Long Island) for a 99 cent store supplier. I don't know the name of the employer or his routes.

2) He has a house at 14 Pine Gate in East Patchogue. His father I believe lived in Central Islip (died in June 1980), mother lived in West Islip (died in 2011). Take a look at his map.

On the map, I've included the following locations:

A - Calverton National Cemetery, where his father was buried in 1980.
B - Hub Truck Rental in Calverton
C - Manorville bodies were found
D - Carman Monaco Jr.'s house
E - West Islip, where his mother lived
F - Oak Beach

It's likely that he was familiar with both Manorville and Oak Beach. If he grew up in Islip, he would be very familiar with beach area (Oak Beach/Gilgo Beach) as most Long Islanders from the south shore are.

Here's another map for reference:

3. I haven't found any connection to NJ (I assume you're wondering about Atlantic City).

4. I assume he would be familiar with Manorville since its so close to where his father was buried. His father died when he was only 23. I obviously can't draw a direct connection between him and the Manorville victims, but Jessica Taylor was last seen at the Port Authority. He was making deliveries in the city in 2003.

 

[inspctrgadget]

Note the "cool down" and "ramp up" periods between Jessica and the GB4, and consider Carman Monaco's arrest, jail, counseling and probation.

1) 1996 - the two sets of remains discovered in Nassau County on April 11: one set was identified as the mother of the female toddler found in Suffolk County on April 4, and the other set matched a pair of legs found in a garbage bag on Fire Island in 1996.

2) 1998 - Carman's Monaco Jr.'s threatening phone calls begin. "From 1998 until his arrest in August [2004], Carman Monaco Jr., 47, called News 12 anchor Danielle Campbell more than 300 times, leaving sexually laced voicemail messages in which he also threatened to dismember her."

3) November 19, 2000 - head, right foot and hands found in Manorville (the rest of Jane Doe #6 later found in Oak Beach).

4) July 2003 - Jessica Taylor found dismembered.

5) August 2004 - Carma Monaco Jr.'s arrest, begins "significant therapy".

6) August 2004 - Suffolk County police question Carman Monaco Jr. about Manorville, refuse to rule him out as a suspect.

7) May or June 2005 - Carman Monaco Jr. is sentenced to 6 months prison, court-ordered, inpatient counseling. In addition to the six-month sentence, Judge Victor Ort ordered him to serve five years' probation. "He needs that," said his lawyer, Steven Gaitman.

8) July 9, 2007 - Maureen goes missing from the city.

9) July 10, 2009 - Melissa Barthelemy goes missing from the city. Beginning one week after her disappearance, and lasting for five weeks, her teenage sister, Amanda, received a series of "vulgar, mocking and insulting" calls from someone who may have been the killer, using her sister's cell phone. Johnny Terry begins receiving taunting, threatening calls for the next 8 months. 30 calls total. The caller knows certain details about Terry, like tattoos, probably making Terry feel like he was being watched, like Danielle Campbell and others at News 12 Long Island ("Show a lot of leg", "I'll be in the crowd", etc.)

9) May/June 2010 - Carman's probation ends.

10) June 6, 2010 - Megan Waterman goes missing from Happague. Her mother Ela Waterman receives voicemails from fake Long Island policeman having a strange "tone" that seemed to be threatening her not to talk. Note that Carman left voicemails also.

11) September 2, 2010 - Amber Lynn Costello goes missing from North Babylon. A stranger had called her several times.

12) March/April/May 2011 - Multiple bodies are discovered on Ocean Parkway, Jessica Taylor is quickly tied to Manorville. Killings seem to stop.




If Carman turns out to be the LISK, counseling and probation apparently didn't do the trick.

I'll also mention that his father died in June 1980 when Carman was only 23. If that caused some type of psychological trauma, that would help explain the seasonal connection to some of the murders.

 

[inspctrgadget]

Here is a list of people that could participate in a voice lineup administered by police in an attempt to match the voice of Carman Monaco Jr. with that of the serial killer. If such a match were made, this would potentially provide probably cause for an arrest and search warrant.

Carman's voice samples could come from: (1) the recordings of his threatening calls to New 12 Long Island; or (2) new voice samples. I assume that police have at least one voice sample of the serial killer, obtained from the serial killer's calls to Amanda.

Voice lineup could include:

1) Amanda Barthelemy (Melissa's teenage sister)
2) Johnny Terry (Melissa's boyfriend)
3) Ela Waterman (Megan's mother)
4) Danielle Campbell (News 12 Long Island)
5) Elizabeth Hashagen (News 12 Long Island)
6) Marybeth McDade (News 12 Long Island)
7) Doug Geed (News 12 Long Island)
8) Roxanne Paquette (Nassau County Assistant District Attorney)
9) Voice analysis software

 

[inspctrgadget]

It looks like his brother also did some time. For attempted burglary, 2nd degree.

Carman's brother's name: Anthony Monaco, DOB 3/21/1964.
You can do a NY Inmate Lookup for the record.


" § 140.25 Burglary in the second degree.
A person is guilty of burglary in the second degree when he knowingly
enters or remains unlawfully in a building with intent to commit a crime
therein, and when:
1. In effecting entry or while in the building or in immediate flight
therefrom, he or another participant in the crime:
(a) Is armed with explosives or a deadly weapon; or
(b) Causes physical injury to any person who is not a participant in
the crime; or
(c) Uses or threatens the immediate use of a dangerous instrument; or
(d) Displays what appears to be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun,
machine gun or other firearm; or
2. The building is a dwelling.
Burglary in the second degree is a class C felony."

 

[Pinkhammer]

To me, Carman looks good for the Manorville crimes, but not for the Gilgo/Oak Beach murders.

Carman is a hothead, obsessive, loud, disorganized, and obvious.

The Oak Beach killer is organized, meticulous, stealthy, highly intelligent, and persuasive.

I cannot reconcile the two.

 

[inspctrgadget]

To me, Carman looks good for the Manorville crimes, but not for the Gilgo/Oak Beach murders.

Carman is a hothead, obsessive, loud, disorganized, and obvious.

The Oak Beach killer is organized, meticulous, stealthy, highly intelligent, and persuasive.

I cannot reconcile the two.

No disrespect, but I disagree with this analysis. There are a number of important similarities that shouldn't be ignored in favor of sweeping generalizations.

"Lasting for five weeks, her teenage sister, Amanda, received a series of "vulgar, mocking and insulting" calls.

Carman Monaco Jr.'s calls were described by news media as "lewd and menacing".

According to police, the GB4 are tied to Manorville. In 2005, Carman was questioned and not ruled out as a suspect in the Manorville murders. This is REALLY important as far as I'm concerned. It's not like police interviewed him and said: "Nope, Carman's not the guy". They actually refrained from ruling him out as a suspect in the Manorville slayings.

I'm not sure that there's anything Carman did that could be described as "hothead[ed],.....loud, disorganized, and obvious." In fact Carman was able to avoid police surveillance for 6 years. That's a long time.

I would agree with you that Carman's behavior was "obsessive", but I also believe that the GB4 killer could be described as obsessive given the almost 40 calls total to Amanda, Johnny and Ela. Perhaps the other GB4 families and friends would have received these types of calls if they had brought along their cell phones?

You also described the GB4 SK as "organized, meticulous, stealthy, highly intelligent, and persuasive". I'd agree with "stealthy", but Carman demonstrated his ability to avoid detection by phone for 6 years. I have also pointed out that Carman would have an advanced understanding of police telephone surveillance techniques given his experience with the law. In addition, the removal of tattoos, teeth and fingerprints from Manorville victims prevented immediate identification, so in some sick way that could be described as organized, meticulous or stealthy.

As far as "highly intelligent", I'm not sure we can say that Carman was a truck driver and is therefore unintelligent (I know you didn't say that exactly, I'm just using this to make a point). There are many genius-level people driving cabs for a living, for example, so occupation is not directly indicative of intelligence.

Persuasive? The GB4 SK arranged for an escort. That's something pretty much anyone can do, IMO. We don't know exactly what was said, so we can't be positive that he was "persuasive" and to assume that he was highly persuasive would be an assumption.

I'm having a hard time understanding why the ONLY person that police have refused ruled out as a suspect (in 2005) is not receiving more attention from this board or the mainstream media.

I'm interested in any ideas anyone has for acquiring more public information on Carman Monaco Jr. If anyone lives in Nassau County, would you be willing to go to the county clerk and obtain transcripts? Is anyone willing to do a FOIA request to Nassau County PD to see if his delivery route took him near the Port Authority where Jessica Taylor was last seen? How about others to e-mail to gain more exposure? Any ideas?

 

[CarnacTheMagnificent]

I don't post here much, just lurk and read everyone else's theories.

I thought it was interesting that he used the name Sal during his phone calls. I did a quick search and there was notorious sex offender, Sal lnghilleri from West Islip, LI in the 90s. He was charged with molesting a young girl who lived with him (his wife was her godmother). In a tragic and very sad twist of fate a couple years later the girl was abducted by a family friend and kept in an underground dungeon.

I know quite a gigantic leap, but maybe our friend Carman, glorifies this case in some way? Reminds me of that movie Lovely Bones...

 

[inspctrgadget]

I don't post here much, just lurk and read everyone else's theories.

I thought it was interesting that he used the name Sal during his phone calls. I did a quick search and there was notorious sex offender, Sal lnghilleri from West Islip, LI in the 90s. He was charged with molesting a young girl who lived with him (his wife was her godmother). In a tragic and very sad twist of fate a couple years later the girl was abducted by a family friend and kept in an underground dungeon.

I know quite a gigantic leap, but maybe our friend Carman, glorifies this case in some way? Reminds me of that movie Lovely Bones...

Thanks for the post Carnac. I agree with you - that's a stretch. Maybe "Sal" is his alter ego. Maybe he has multiple personality disorder. Maybe Sal is just his barber (I looked up "Sal" and "Patchogue" and found "Sal's Patchogue Barber Shop". Any of these is just a wild guess. According to www.italianames.com/most_common.php, Sal is also the 7th most common Italian names (I assume he's Italian based on his last name and his brother's first name, Anthony), so maybe him using the alias "Sal" was kind of like saying "John" or "Mike". Keep posting though Carnac!

 

[inspctrgadget]

I found this about the area where Carman lives. His house is 14 Pine Gate, East Patchogue, NY.

From: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The Pines&defid=4159556

"The Pines
A bad neighborhood located in Medford, New York.
The "Ghetto" part of Medford.
If you drive down to the Pines you will see streets littered with broken beer bottles, overgrown lawns, large old men drinking on their porches, etc. There are many teenage drunks and stoners there as well, and many other unsavory characters live in that neighborhood.

The Pines is known for its crime, the police are often called in for drugs, domestic violence, gang violence and for breaking up house parties.

It is called "The Pines" because many (but not all) street names end with the word "pine" (ex: Scotch Pine Drive, Pitchpine Place, etc.)

Certain parts of The Pines fall within the South Country School District, but a majority of the neighborhood is in the Patchogue-Medford School District. The "ghetto kids" from those districts are usually from the Pines.

There is a playground on Southaven Avenue, across from Silverpine Drive, called "Twelve Pines Park" it has basketball courts, a jungle gym and swings, however it is often empty, the only people using it being stoners using it as a place to get high, or skanky girls passing by."


My guess is that street prostitution is fairly common in this area. Can anyone find missing persons reports from 2000 (Jane Doe #6) or any links to transgendered prostitution in Medford?

 

[Just K]

To me, Carman looks good for the Manorville crimes, but not for the Gilgo/Oak Beach murders.

Carman is a hothead, obsessive, loud, disorganized, and obvious.

The Oak Beach killer is organized, meticulous, stealthy, highly intelligent, and persuasive.

I cannot reconcile the two.

True, but perhaps "counseling" did resolve some of his explosive behavior. Maybe he learned to control his obvious rage. Or, maybe he met someone of like mind...could he have a "friend/helper?" Many theorists believe Rifkin did. It sounds like CM is 54 years old. Wonder if he has any old "friends" who now live at OB?

Just to add to the info on the taunting calls that were recieved by the GB4 family members and friends...someone said he also sounded drunk, correct? Does CM have a history of any DUI's, drunk in public, etc charges?

 

[Reannan]

I found this about the area where Carman lives. His house is 14 Pine Gate, East Patchogue, NY.

From: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The Pines&defid=4159556

"The Pines
A bad neighborhood located in Medford, New York.
The "Ghetto" part of Medford.

SBM - Sort of interesting that Carman lives in a place called "The Pines" when the Manorville victims were dumped in an area known as "The Pine Barrens". I am sure it is just a coincidence but these kind of things always fascinate me....

 

[bodhi93]

SBM - Sort of interesting that Carman lives in a place called "The Pines" when the Manorville victims were dumped in an area known as "The Pine Barrens". I am sure it is just a coincidence but these kind of things always fascinate me....

There's also a river in the area called "Carman's River"... [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmans_River"]Carmans River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]. Again, probably coincidence... but very interesting.

 

[inspctrgadget]

.....Just to add to the info on the taunting calls that were recieved by the GB4 family members and friends...someone said he also sounded drunk, correct? Does CM have a history of any DUI's, drunk in public, etc charges?

Not that I know of. While we're discussing his location, notice that there was a woman's body found within a few minutes of his house there in Patchogue in December 2010. The body of Nicole Tessa was found by the same dog, Blue, that found the GB4 on Ocean Parkway.

The media and family seem to think that the boyfriend killed her because they had an argument before she disappeared. No arrests have been made. The death was ruled a homicide, but the police did not release cause of death. Landlord reports that the boyfriend and Nicole had an argument (which they had often) and the boyfriend claims that he left for 2 hours after the argument and she was gone when he came back. Her child and cell phone were left at the house and family said that she wouldn't have left her child alone.

A news report mentioned that the fight was over drugs, specifically oxycotton. Oxy can make you look and sound drunk.

Just K, my thought here is that its possible that the SK was using oxy and that's what made him sound drunk. I'm not sure I'm ready to make the connection between Carman Monaco Jr. and Nicole Tessa, but the proximity and fact that Blue discovered the body are notable, to say the least.

I've also found that there's a no-tell-motel nearby (about 5 min) that seems well known on certain sex forums like Utopia Guide. The forums are focused on discussing locations for "SW" and "AMP" on Long Island. These acronyms stand for "Street Worker" and "Asian Massage Parlor". The motel is called "Midway Motel" in E. Patchogue. According to posters, it's $30 for a short stay and doesn't require a license.

All said, this somewhat confirms my general suspicion that street prostitution and drug use is probably common in the area where Carman Monaco Jr. lives.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Not that I know of. While we're discussing his location, notice that there was a woman's body found within a few minutes of his house there in Patchogue in December 2010. The body of Nicole Tessa was found by the same dog, Blue, that found the GB4 on Ocean Parkway.

The media and family seem to think that the boyfriend killed her because they had an argument before she disappeared. No arrests have been made. The death was ruled a homicide, but the police did not release cause of death. Landlord reports that the boyfriend and Nicole had an argument (which they had often) and the boyfriend claims that he left for 2 hours after the argument and she was gone when he came back. Her child and cell phone were left at the house and family said that she wouldn't have left her child alone.

A news report mentioned that the fight was over drugs, specifically oxycotton. Oxy can make you look and sound drunk.

Just K, my thought here is that its possible that the SK was using oxy and that's what made him sound drunk. I'm not sure I'm ready to make the connection between Carman Monaco Jr. and Nicole Tessa, but the proximity and fact that Blue discovered the body are notable, to say the least.

I've also found that there's a no-tell-motel nearby (about 5 min) that seems well known on certain sex forums like Utopia Guide. The forums are focused on discussing locations for "SW" and "AMP" on Long Island. These acronyms stand for "Street Worker" and "Asian Massage Parlor". The motel is called "Midway Motel" in E. Patchogue. According to posters, it's $30 for a short stay and doesn't require a license.

All said, this somewhat confirms my general suspicion that street prostitution and drug use is probably common in the area where Carman Monaco Jr. lives.

I've seen a number of people mention how coincidental it is that Blue found the remains and SG's belongings. SCPD doesn't have a lot of dogs that are trained for that.


I found this story about discovery of the original bodies.

http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/may/11/k9s-prove-vital-finding/


At the time, the Suffolk County Police were down to just one dog trained with that specific skill. The other two had been retired and the police were in the process of training new ones, according to an officer in charge of the Special Patrol Bureau, which includes K9s, cops said.

 

[Redbird]

Inspectrgadget: I could find no followup articles regarding Nicole Tessa's death or the cause of death. I was unable to access the article you referenced. Is this another homicide briefly reported and then forgotten?

 

[Clem Snide]

I've seen a number of people mention how coincidental it is that Blue found the remains and SG's belongings. SCPD doesn't have a lot of dogs that are trained for that.


I found this story about discovery of the original bodies.

http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/may/11/k9s-prove-vital-finding/


At the time, the Suffolk County Police were down to just one dog trained with that specific skill. The other two had been retired and the police were in the process of training new ones, according to an officer in charge of the Special Patrol Bureau, which includes K9s, cops said.

So are you ruling out Blue as a suspect? Rumor is, that dog has a checkered past.

 

[Just K]

Inspectrgadget: I could find no followup articles regarding Nicole Tessa's death or the cause of death. I was unable to access the article you referenced. Is this another homicide briefly reported and then forgotten?

It seems that way...but the circumstances and the timing, right after the SKs burial grounds were discovered...gave many of us pause.
From Google:
Police not releasing autopsy results in Patchogue mom's ... - News 12
www.news12.com/archive/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=269587...
Dec 24, 2010 – Officials say the preliminary results of an autopsy on 31-year-old Nicole Tessa are part of the "ongoing investigation." The...

 

[inspctrgadget]

Is anyone here willing to purchase these 2 articles and summarize any new information that was not included in the original articles from NY Daily News? Newsday is the local paper and may have some additional details.

The total cost would be about $7.90.

Thanks.

Article 1

Article 2

 

[Droopy]

@ inspctrgadget

I can shed a little light for you into the death of Nicole Tessa. I live in the neighborhood and I google her name about once a month looking for any new information on her case. I'm new to posting on this forum, but have spent countless hours reading all the posts and theories on the LISK ever since I stumbled onto this site about a month ago.

There isn't too much written about her case. Initially News12 covered her disappearance more than the other stations. Once her body was found all the stations swarmed the neighborhood. After roughly a week her story dropped out of the news. The following week the news reported that it was ruled a homicide. The ME wasn't going to release the autopsy report and her husband was neither a suspect or POI. Just this past week News12 re-ran the story. They do mention that the family said her COD was blunt force trauma to the head and torso and compression of the neck.

As far as seeing either SK or Monaco being involved, I just don't see that being the case unless they have friends or family that live in the neighborhood and by a stroke of luck just so happened to be driving by at that hour.

According to her husbands interview, he said that they got into a fight over her prescription drugs, I believe it was Oxycontin as well. He left for a few hours, although he has never stated publicly where he went. When he came home she was gone. That wasn't anything new. They have fought before and she's left, but this time the difference she didn't take her cellphone nor her anti-seizure medicine.

When News12 interviewed him, he had told them he went looking for her. They asked him where and he told them he walked the neighborhood and checked the woods. That immediately caught my attention because at this point her body hadn't been found, she was just missing. Why in the world would you be looking for her in the woods.

A few days later in another interview he said that he believes Nicole went into the woods looking for him because he would go in there and smoke. Apparently this particular patch of woods was used for people going in there and drinking and doing drugs. That shocked me because I drive past there every day coming home from work and aside from a few teens coming out of there once in a blue moon, I would have never thought something like that was going on.

I really only see two possibilities for her death. I believe it is more than likely she did leave the house to go look for him in the woods. The question is who else was in there. It is possible some random person was in there, perhaps doing drugs. Nicole walks in and either the person gets spooked and think it's a cop or saw her as a crime of opportunity. If that is the case, then I think it would have had to been someone who is extremely local, as in within a two block radius because it was bitterly cold that night.

I was outside in my back yard having a cigarette before bed at around the hour her husband left the house. I live about 6 blocks away and I wouldn't be willing to walk that distance to woods in those temps. That leads me to think if it was a random person they lived on one of the three streets that pass the woods or someone in the apartment complex down the road because there are some trails back there that lead to the complex.

For me though, I think more than likely it was her husband. I think they fought. He left at around 11:30 like he claims. At some point in the next 3 hours Nicole goes into the woods to look for him. She finds him, maybe he is doing some drugs maybe not, but that leads to them fighting again and he flips out and kills her whether accidentally or purposely. Currently her husband is in jail for 8 months on a petty larceny charge.

I think those two scenarios are more that likely than Carmen Monaco being responsible. He would have had to been by chance, driving around in a neighborhood that is 5 or 6 miles away from his home that he would unlikely know anything about unless he knows someone who lives there, and by chance drive through between the hours of 11:30 pm and 2:30 am and have a very short time to come across her. From where the entrance to the woods is and her house, it wouldn't take much more than a minute to walk it. That is a very narrow time frame for all those things to occur for it to be him.

 

[inspctrgadget]

@ inspctrgadget

I can shed a little light for you into the death of Nicole Tessa...

Wow, great analysis. Thanks for the info Droopy. I agree with you completely, its a stretch (and probably a distraction) to link Nicole Tessa with anything Oak Beach-related given that the husband looks so guilty.