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Noone says backpage and craigslists was making money while my niece was being gutted and dismembered unless it actually happened. Something police did not want released probably. Family members have the right to put to rest their loved ones and if a body part is miissing and then found the famy would be privy to what actually happened.

"Noone says backpage and craigslists was making money while my niece was being gutted and dismembered unless it actually happened."

I guess I don't understand what you mean by this?
But as for the rest that is what I was thinking if they had inside info from being family that they were not suposta talk about with the public but she slipped up. Or unless if this was so soon into the finding of MW that she was just assuming this had happen to MW from reading about JT. IDK.
 
"Noone says backpage and craigslists was making money while my niece was being gutted and dismembered unless it actually happened."

I guess I don't understand what you mean by this?
But as for the rest that is what I was thinking if they had inside info from being family that they were not suposta talk about with the public but she slipped up. Or unless if this was so soon into the finding of MW that she was just assuming this had happen to MW from reading about JT. IDK.

Just perhaps, the Aunt heard the "gutting" angle on Nancy Grace. I seem to recall that Nancy Grace embellished this story a long time ago. IMHO
 
I might as well throw this at the wall and see if it sticks:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/naked-woman-on-mushrooms-rescued-784532

Any 'shrooms at Oak Beach?

The Shroom Theory seems to fit. But the problem is the police commissioner speculated SG's clothes came off after being snagged by the brush. Either SG took the clothes off or she didn't - or maybe it was a combination of both?

Now we have the gal on the mountain acting hysterical and had to be subdued. This doesn't seem to be the case with SG because we know a detective that heard the 911 tape said there was no indications that SG believed her life was in peril.

What we do know - or think we know is that SG was in the company of at least several others in JB;s home for about 3 hours. What did she do and when did she do it? Was JB or the others responsible? Did they slip her something or did she take it voluntarily.

The driver alleges to have said SG acted strangely at other times with other customers? How long do you think she was going to remain in even that sort of business acting like a nut -job? One of the 'benefits' of hiring a prostitute is there is no drama attached to it. She comes, she services, and you pay, and everyone is supposed to go their way with a smile on their faces.
 
I might as well throw this at the wall and see if it sticks:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/naked-woman-on-mushrooms-rescued-784532

Any 'shrooms at Oak Beach?

Dextromethorphan is also another crazy hallucinogen. And makes you hot and paranoid. The thing about Dxm (street name) is that you can get it in a powder form and spike a drink with it or even put it in capsule.
I've actually tried this drug back when I was younger (I know stupid). And I am telling you it will turn your world upside down for a good five hours.
I am not saying this is what SG was givin but can't help but to wonder if she was givin some type of hallucinogen.
If I remember right and someone please correct me if I am wrong. But JB was asked in a lie detector test if he had hired SG for sex and he said no and passed. If that was the case then who's to say he didn't just want to trip that night and didn't want to trip alone? Most people I know do not like to trip alone. This would also make so much more sense on why MP was asking her about the movie fear and loathing in las vegas. I know that it was said that he and her had talked about that movie on their way to JB house but I still find it an odd thing to ask someone who is in a panic unless if he was trying to remind her of the movie to calm her down and make her realize that it was just the drugs making her panic.
 
Also if she was tripping it would also make so much more sense as to why when SG got to GS house all she did was yell help me help me and then stood there and just stare at him. I mean if she was tripping maybe she couldn't really form a thought or get what she wanted to say out. I know that when tripping it can be very hard to try and tell someone something.
 
The Shroom Theory seems to fit. But the problem is the police commissioner speculated SG's clothes came off after being snagged by the brush. Either SG took the clothes off or she didn't - or maybe it was a combination of both?

Now we have the gal on the mountain acting hysterical and had to be subdued. This doesn't seem to be the case with SG because we know a detective that heard the 911 tape said there was no indications that SG believed her life was in peril.

What we do know - or think we know is that SG was in the company of at least several others in JB;s home for about 3 hours. What did she do and when did she do it? Was JB or the others responsible? Did they slip her something or did she take it voluntarily.

The driver alleges to have said SG acted strangely at other times with other customers? How long do you think she was going to remain in even that sort of business acting like a nut -job? One of the 'benefits' of hiring a prostitute is there is no drama attached to it. She comes, she services, and you pay, and everyone is supposed to go their way with a smile on their faces.

Talk about a hard-on getting you into big trouble...ehhh? lol
 
Also if she was tripping it would also make so much more sense as to why when SG got to GS house all she did was yell help me help me and then stood there and just stare at him. I mean if she was tripping maybe she couldn't really form a thought or get what she wanted to say out. I know that when tripping it can be very hard to try and tell someone something.

Who is GS?


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Regarding Jessica Taylor: <respectfully snipped by me to address a specific part of your post>

With that in mind, how did he subdue her? I say this because Jessica had a pimp. She would NOT have left the area. She would NOT have been gone more than 30 minutes. She definitely would NOT have traveled to LI.*


If I remember correctly, JT's pimp was incarcerated at the time of her disapearance. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I read a post here with or without a link (I don't remember exactly, Will try to find) I'm pretty sure it was in the JT thread. If someone finds it before I do, please post.

I've read through just about every thread here and I'm sure that I remember that.

I remember thinking that she may have been more vulnerable if she had a drug habit (from her mug shot it appears she did) without "the watchful eye" of her pimp. I also thought that maybe one of the male bodies found out at MV may have been connected with her (a subsitute pimp) while her's was locked up?
 
If I remember correctly, JT's pimp was incarcerated at the time of her disapearance. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I read a post here with or without a link (I don't remember exactly, Will try to find) I'm pretty sure it was in the JT thread. If someone finds it before I do, please post.

I've read through just about every thread here and I'm sure that I remember that.

I remember thinking that she may have been more vulnerable if she had a drug habit (from her mug shot it appears she did) without "the watchful eye" of her pimp. I also thought that maybe one of the male bodies found out at MV may have been connected with her (a subsitute pimp) while her's was locked up?

He was. Which explains why she was freelancing at The Port Authority around the time of her disappearance and eventual discovery in Manorville. I don't recall whether he was locked up in DC or New York, but it was one of the two. I'm fairly sure it was DC though.


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Well, I've tried to understand this case. I think I need a damn excell spreadsheet with the facts and names. It's maddening. I feel the best way to break this down is to look at each girl as an individual and not part of a cluster. I'm trying to narrow down their lifestyles and what led up to meeting with their untimely death.

Jessica Taylor, in my opinion is easy to understand. Although I believe that to be because of the Port Authority and that I know that area like the back of my hand. Before I even seen the photos of her standing near her area - I could picture it in my mind. I was sure before that there's only one part where the pimps and hustlers were, I was right.

Please be aware that the term "sex worker" means: ANYONE who works in the sex trade. *advertiser censored* stars, Strippers, Dominatrixes, Fetish models, Prostitutes, Webcam girls, phone sex operators. It's not exclusive to prostitutes.

Anyway - with all the victims of the murders in which are profiled here (I don't know who's the GB4 as opposed to others) - I can look at - at least 3 and see heroin in their eyes. Once you know what you're looking for, it's rather easy. I think there's a misconception of heroin use and what you're capable of while being an addict. A heroin addict is rather docile, compliant and easy to take over. But when they are sick, that's an entire other story. Most streetwalkers (or even escorts) will smoke crack along with doing heroin - because they want to "even" the buzz and keep from nodding out. Or they do speedballs. Cocaine and heroin together = a death sentence. Crack and heroin are cheap drugs, which is why it's more rare to see anyone out on the street level doing cocaine.

If someone were the prey on dope sick girls, all they would have to do is look for the watery eyes, over dressed (you get serious goosebumps and shivers when you detox), constant sneezing and stomach pains. This is "jonesing" and if a person sees this, and sadly there's a lot of Johns' that look for this - they know the girl will do damn near anything to get her fix to feel better. Heroin is the worst withdrawal feelings. Imagine food poisoning with the worst panic attack you've ever had mixed with allergies. You just want it to go away and you'll do anything for 10.00 (the price of a pack aka 1 bag of heroin).

Port authority is shady business. That entire area even in the daytime is filled with pimps and hookers, guys selling their methadone and people running over priced heroin out of a certain hotel. if she was working that area without a pimp, believe me - there was another pimp holding his spot. A girl would not go out working without her pimps permission - and a pimp going to jail wouldn't leave his girls unattended. He would instead ask a friend to take over or his "bottom" girl to do so for him. Most pimps do not want a girl with a habit to feed, as they are likely to steal from them or run off or get arrested for possession. Most pimps are also drug dealers aka the suppliers. So, Jessica was a heroin user and I can only think that her pimp was low level, inexperienced and earning very little. A wanna be if you will. He was or still is, in the "bloods" (gang) which he openly admits.

it's very possible Jessica refused to go with another pimp who knew HER pimp was in jail. Or she violated some sort of street code.

I did glance through about the man dressed up in women's clothing. I don't think any of that is related to a serial killer. But I have a lot of reading to do, and I'm curious why that area is so prevalent to body dumping (has it always been?).

On a side note: I brought up the deaths in my city to prove a point about people posing as those they are not, in order to gain trust and cause harm. Or that regulars turn bad often without any warning. If monsters looked like monsters then there would be a lot less worry. I do not appreciate people asking me to prove what I said. Everyone has a google finger. It's the same to be said about the "blacklist". The reason I do not want either link in this thread is because #1 it compromises many people and #2 the last thing I'd want to see is someone googling the deaths of my friends/associates and finding this thread - then the rumors start that the LISK is somehow tied. I hope this makes sense.
 
Anyway - with all the victims of the murders in which are profiled here (I don't know who's the GB4 as opposed to others) - I can look at - at least 3 and see heroin in their eyes. Once you know what you're looking for, it's rather easy.

RSBM

I am very curious about this. Can you can say more about it or link to photos that give you this impression?

Cocaine and heroin together = a death sentence.

An instant death sentence?

people running over priced heroin out of a certain hotel.

Could this be the same hotel that Maureen Brainard-Barnes was working at before she disappeared? She vanished from Port Authority. I believe she was staying at a Super 8 but it's called something else now. I think it was nearby? Does anyone else know?

I did glance through about the man dressed up in women's clothing. I don't think any of that is related to a serial killer. But I have a lot of reading to do, and I'm curious why that area is so prevalent to body dumping (has it always been?).

Do you know if transgender/transsexual prostitutes also tend to work in the Port Authority area?

I'm not sure about the history of Ocean Parkway in terms of dumping bodies. I believe that Manorville (where Jessica Taylor's torso was found years ago) did have a rep as a dumping spot.
 
Been a long time since I posted here, but been reading up.

Until Astrokitty makes it back, I can answer question #2 about the speedballing...

Doing coke and heroin together can cause instant death, yes. On the other hand, some folks do it repeatedly for years and survive.

The point, though, is that it is exceedingly dangerous...one of the most, if not the most risky things one can do with regards to drugs and much riskier than doing either drug on its own. For example, several of the famous-people ODs people think of as "heroin" ODs were actually speedball ODs.
 
RSBM

I am very curious about this. Can you can say more about it or link to photos that give you this impression?



An instant death sentence?



Could this be the same hotel that Maureen Brainard-Barnes was working at before she disappeared? She vanished from Port Authority. I believe she was staying at a Super 8 but it's called something else now. I think it was nearby? Does anyone else know?



Do you know if transgender/transsexual prostitutes also tend to work in the Port Authority area?

I'm not sure about the history of Ocean Parkway in terms of dumping bodies. I believe that Manorville (where Jessica Taylor's torso was found years ago) did have a rep as a dumping spot.

I'm not sure why I'm being asked if I know of any trans people that work that area. I'm not a madame or a pimp or the authority on prostitution. I have NO idea where anyone bought their heroin, I know that people ran drugs out of a certain hotel in that area because it was obvious. I also got stuck living there for a bit and had seen it for myself. It's not a Super 8 or any major chain.

As far as being able to tell that they are on smack, if you've seen one person on it - or several, you know what it looks like based on the eyes. Once I said that and read a few articles, it appears I was right.

And yes, doing a speed ball is pretty close to an actual death sentence.

Chris Farley
Jim Beluishi
River Phoenix
are just a few that died from a speed ball.
 
Well, I've tried to understand this case. I think I need a damn excell spreadsheet with the facts and names. It's maddening. I feel the best way to break this down is to look at each girl as an individual and not part of a cluster. I'm trying to narrow down their lifestyles and what led up to meeting with their untimely death.

Jessica Taylor, in my opinion is easy to understand. Although I believe that to be because of the Port Authority and that I know that area like the back of my hand. Before I even seen the photos of her standing near her area - I could picture it in my mind. I was sure before that there's only one part where the pimps and hustlers were, I was right.

Please be aware that the term "sex worker" means: ANYONE who works in the sex trade. *advertiser censored* stars, Strippers, Dominatrixes, Fetish models, Prostitutes, Webcam girls, phone sex operators. It's not exclusive to prostitutes.

Anyway - with all the victims of the murders in which are profiled here (I don't know who's the GB4 as opposed to others) - I can look at - at least 3 and see heroin in their eyes. Once you know what you're looking for, it's rather easy. I think there's a misconception of heroin use and what you're capable of while being an addict. A heroin addict is rather docile, compliant and easy to take over. But when they are sick, that's an entire other story. Most streetwalkers (or even escorts) will smoke crack along with doing heroin - because they want to "even" the buzz and keep from nodding out. Or they do speedballs. Cocaine and heroin together = a death sentence. Crack and heroin are cheap drugs, which is why it's more rare to see anyone out on the street level doing cocaine.

If someone were the prey on dope sick girls, all they would have to do is look for the watery eyes, over dressed (you get serious goosebumps and shivers when you detox), constant sneezing and stomach pains. This is "jonesing" and if a person sees this, and sadly there's a lot of Johns' that look for this - they know the girl will do damn near anything to get her fix to feel better. Heroin is the worst withdrawal feelings. Imagine food poisoning with the worst panic attack you've ever had mixed with allergies. You just want it to go away and you'll do anything for 10.00 (the price of a pack aka 1 bag of heroin).

Port authority is shady business. That entire area even in the daytime is filled with pimps and hookers, guys selling their methadone and people running over priced heroin out of a certain hotel. if she was working that area without a pimp, believe me - there was another pimp holding his spot. A girl would not go out working without her pimps permission - and a pimp going to jail wouldn't leave his girls unattended. He would instead ask a friend to take over or his "bottom" girl to do so for him. Most pimps do not want a girl with a habit to feed, as they are likely to steal from them or run off or get arrested for possession. Most pimps are also drug dealers aka the suppliers. So, Jessica was a heroin user and I can only think that her pimp was low level, inexperienced and earning very little. A wanna be if you will. He was or still is, in the "bloods" (gang) which he openly admits.

it's very possible Jessica refused to go with another pimp who knew HER pimp was in jail. Or she violated some sort of street code.

I did glance through about the man dressed up in women's clothing. I don't think any of that is related to a serial killer. But I have a lot of reading to do, and I'm curious why that area is so prevalent to body dumping (has it always been?).

On a side note: I brought up the deaths in my city to prove a point about people posing as those they are not, in order to gain trust and cause harm. Or that regulars turn bad often without any warning. If monsters looked like monsters then there would be a lot less worry. I do not appreciate people asking me to prove what I said. Everyone has a google finger. It's the same to be said about the "blacklist". The reason I do not want either link in this thread is because #1 it compromises many people and #2 the last thing I'd want to see is someone googling the deaths of my friends/associates and finding this thread - then the rumors start that the LISK is somehow tied. I hope this makes sense.

The GB4 are Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Lynn Costello. I will bump their thread for you so they are easy to find and will all be at top. And this case is confusing it took me a while and I'm still learning. I found it best to read threw each girls thread and google them when I had questions or doubts on what people where say. You can always ask in the thread as well most people are pretty helpful.
Also, I am pretty sure this is a privet thread and you have to be a member to view any of these threads and they do not show up on google and was put into the parking lot for this reason. So you don't have to worry about anyone googleing and finding anything you post here.
 
I'm not sure why I'm being asked if I know of any trans people that work that area. I'm not a madame or a pimp or the authority on prostitution. I have NO idea where anyone bought their heroin, I know that people ran drugs out of a certain hotel in that area because it was obvious. I also got stuck living there for a bit and had seen it for myself. It's not a Super 8 or any major chain.

As far as being able to tell that they are on smack, if you've seen one person on it - or several, you know what it looks like based on the eyes. Once I said that and read a few articles, it appears I was right.

And yes, doing a speed ball is pretty close to an actual death sentence.

Chris Farley
Jim Beluishi
River Phoenix
are just a few that died from a speed ball.

I asked about the trans aspect because you said you thought that the male victim dressed in women's clothing was probably unrelated to this serial killer. I was curious about your thinking on that.

Some people have speculated that the male victim may have also been involved in prostitution. In fact, I think Dormer (the former police official) may have said as much, though all of his statements need to be taken with salt. We don't know the context in which this victim was wearing women's clothes, or really anything about him. But his cause of death was head trauma, as opposed to asphyxiation (which was the COD for the four female Gilgo victims).

I apologize if I've stepped on your toes with my questions or any of the assumptions behind them. As I said in an earlier post, your insights are the best thing to happen to this case in months, and I hope you continue to contribute.
 
Some years back there was a fellow in Suffolk County that was allegedly DWI and ran over a woman. That person passed out and was found behind the wheel decked out in woman's clothes and make-up. He had his roots in The Town of Babylon. He would later become the County Executive. Of course the above information just disappeared as though it never happened.
 
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