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[Theforeigner]

Some years back there was a fellow in Suffolk County that was allegedly DWI and ran over a woman. That person passed out and was found behind the wheel decked out in woman's clothes and make-up. He had his roots in The Town of Babylon. He would later become the County Executive. Of course the above information just disappeared as though it never happened.

Is the initials of that man; SB?

 

[hawkshaw]

not SB, but not because he doesn't do those sort of things. He just hasn't been caught, IMO.

 

[deedee21]

"Noone says backpage and craigslists was making money while my niece was being gutted and dismembered unless it actually happened."

I guess I don't understand what you mean by this?
But as for the rest that is what I was thinking if they had inside info from being family that they were not suposta talk about with the public but she slipped up. Or unless if this was so soon into the finding of MW that she was just assuming this had happen to MW from reading about JT. IDK.

I was quoting MW aunt. Maybe its true. Why would someone use the word gut and dismember. I think she slipped.

 

[Just K]

It's been nearly three years now since the last of the GB4 were abducted and murdered. In six months it will be three years since the GB4 were found.

If I were a family member, I would put everything out there that I knew/know because it is obvious that LE is doing nearly nothing to solve this case.

The last time any LE made a statement, directly related to the GB4, was when they dispelled the rumor re: the landscaper' suicide. The last time they made a statement directly re: Shannan G was that the autopsy showed the COD as unknown.

PIs and web sleuths are the only ones still interested, beyond the family and friends, in solving these crimes. The family members and friends have significant details from before and after the murders re: the girls habits and behaviors as well as who they associated with leading up to and including the days before they disappeared.
MB's BF/Pimp, J Terry could really help.

At this point, why would they not just divulge any details of who, what, where and when the girls did such and such. Even if they don't wish to speak of the manner in which the girls were found (intact or not, dressed or not...were clothes found near the remains...we know they found the tan tennis shoe with white stripes...) the friends and family have knowledge that could only help find the killer/killers.

ALL MY OPINION!

 

[Just K]

Was there any celeb (sports or otherwise) that was busted around then who might live in LI? Often bad clients will pretend to be sports players because lets face it - how many women are memorizing various players in sports? I"m just trying to think of various angles he could have used that would warrant them not bringing their phones and knowing exactly where to go - where they wouldn't get lost. I'm still siding with him picking the girls up very close to their homes if they didn't bring their cells.

"Tiger" (W) was staying at his friend's house (JD, son of the owner of MSG and big wig at Cable Vision.) on the LI shore, in Oyster Bay. It was during the scandal over his MANY escapades with "providers."

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tig...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[giagreen]

It's been nearly three years now since the last of the GB4 were abducted and murdered. In six months it will be three years since the GB4 were found.

If I were a family member, I would put everything out there that I knew/know because it is obvious that LE is doing nearly nothing to solve this case.

The last time any LE made a statement, directly related to the GB4, was when they dispelled the rumor re: the landscaper' suicide. The last time they made a statement directly re: Shannan G was that the autopsy showed the COD as unknown.

PIs and web sleuths are the only ones still interested, beyond the family and friends, in solving these crimes. The family members and friends have significant details from before and after the murders re: the girls habits and behaviors as well as who they associated with leading up to and including the days before they disappeared.
MB's BF/Pimp, J Terry could really help.

At this point, why would they not just divulge any details of who, what, where and when the girls did such and such. Even if they don't wish to speak of the manner in which the girls were found (intact or not, dressed or not...were clothes found near the remains...we know they found the tan tennis shoe with white stripes...) the friends and family have knowledge that could only help find the killer/killers.

ALL MY OPINION!

I agree. If they no longer are interested then at least give others the info that do still care. And really three years is not that long of a time when it comes to catching a serial killer.

 

[genericwhitemale]

I agree. If they no longer are interested then at least give others the info that do still care. And really three years is not that long of a time when it comes to catching a serial killer.

Why would LE give you anything? <modsnip>?


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[mcme]

"Tiger" (W) was staying at his friend's house (JD, son of the owner of MSG and big wig at Cable Vision.) on the LI shore, in Oyster Bay. It was during the scandal over his MANY escapades with "providers."

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tig...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I guess any woman who sleeps with a man a provider? Tiger Woods had ongoing relationships with many different women, some with *advertiser censored* back rounds, but there's nothing that says he was buying hookers for his sex.

 

[genericwhitemale]

I guess any woman who sleeps with a man a provider? Tiger Woods had ongoing relationships with many different women, some with *advertiser censored* back rounds, but there's nothing that says he was buying hookers for his sex.

I dunno, dude. I like Tiger as much as anyone, but this WAS in fact a guy that banged his 19 year old neighbor in Florida who had lived next door to him since she was a little kid. I wouldn't put anything past him.


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[giagreen]

Why would LE give you anything? <modsnip>?


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I wasn't talking about me personaly<modsnip> Obviously they are not going to just hand the whole case over. But why not let out some more evidence? Or not even evidence but details?

 

[genericwhitemale]

I wasn't talking about me personaly<modsnip> Obviously they are not going to just hand the whole case over. But why not let out some more evidence? Or not even evidence but details?

<modsnip> Okay. I said that a while back regarding the audio recorded during the calls made to MB's sister.


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[Just K]

Many of the women Tiger was with were high priced call girls/escorts. Are you suggesting that they gave him free provisions just because he is a star. I doubt that very much.

Just because he had ongoing hookups with the women does not mean tht they started as a business arrangement. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...stresses-elin-continues-fume-article-1.172462

This ongoing "relationship" supposedly started for a fee of $2,000 for each of the girls in the threesome.

Astro asked if there were well known people busted during the time that the GB4 were lured to their deaths. She was proposing a theory that someone may have been pretending to be some high profile sports star or celeb who could use the ruse of not wanting their picture to get out there.

 

[PickleChris]

Many of the women Tiger was with were high priced call girls/escorts. Are you suggesting that they gave him free provisions just because he is a star. I doubt that very much.

Just because he had ongoing hookups with the women does not mean tht they started as a business arrangement. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...stresses-elin-continues-fume-article-1.172462

This ongoing "relationship" supposedly started for a fee of $2,000 for each of the girls in the threesome.

Astro asked if there were well known people busted during the time that the GB4 were lured to their deaths. She was proposing a theory that someone may have been pretending to be some high profile sports star or celeb who could use the ruse of not wanting their picture to get out there.

I had similar thoughts about some touring staff of bands playing at Jones Beach Theater, using the line that the service is for a rockstar - but the dates didn't match up at all in my opinion.

 

[giagreen]

Okay so we have Maureen Brainard-Barnes who went missing first and was last seen July 9, 2007. She was robbed earlier in the day and this leads me to believe that this had nothing to do with her disappearance. And from what I understand she was walking to or had made it to the Port Authority bus terminal. And that was the last anyone had heard from her.
A few things stick out to me. One she was taking in calls at a hotel on 46th street and not doing out calls. And she had checked out of her hotel room so she was done for the night. And the fact she was headed to the bus terminal to me points that she was ready to go home. Not only that but she had reportedly told friends she just wanted to go home. There is and was no reason for her to take an out call.
Two according to her sister on this website she was not into doing escort services on a regular basic. She would go when ever on no set schedule and would only go to NYC.
And this time for her doing this was because she was short on rent and needed some money fast. So I don't see how she would of called a regular for a ride. Just doesn't add up to me.
So how in the world could this guy have been a regular? If she only did in calls then she had to of been aware of the dangers of doing out calls and had her safety in mind. This leads me to believe with all my heart she was being stalked this night. And there are many of ways to abduct women and go undetected.
Then her voice mail was trying to be accessed weeks later from Long Island. This means IMO one or two things. This guy either lives or has a summer home on Long Island or he had kept her for a few weeks and tried to gain access to her voice mail once he had dumped her body. And let&#8217;s not forget that MB mother said she believed her daughter was being held for a few weeks from things she heard in the phone calls to MB&#8217;s little sister. To me this a very good possibility especially if he is a sexual sadist with his ultimate high being the kill. Either way we have a link that the killer at some point tried to tamper with her cell phone.
Next to go missing is Melissa Barthelemy on July 10, 2009. She was last seen sitting out side her apartment in the Bronx. She was said to be secretive on what she was doing that day. But IMO she was also trying to contact her ex boyfriend a few days earlier and to me this point to she maybe wasn&#8217;t as close to pimp-boyfriend as we all seem to think. Also the guy on Long Island that her pimp could point out was of no interest to LE. Later on her pimp also stated that from phone calls he received from this guy
&#8220;he said you like to do some crazy stuff with Melissa, I know where you be at&#8221;
This to me point to once again to a stalker. How would he know where this man be at? Could it maybe be that this man found MB off Craig list (obviously) just like he had MBB got a picture of these girls and a idea of where they would be and followed them? He could of easily been following MB for a while. He could have had a call with her months earlier and followed her home and from there had been watching her. Could she had maybe been on her way home from a john that night and it was the perfect opportunity to grab her? I don&#8217;t find this hard to believe at all. What I do find hard to believe is that each of these girls were lured in with high amounts of cash. And he happened to get that lucky each time with out leaving a link for LE to follow. Not a single IP address or bunk phone number&#8230;nothing the only thing he left behind was another clue that he sure does like technology and tampering with these girls cell phones.
Then next we got Megan Waterman who went missing on June 6, 2010. She was doing in calls at a motel in Hauppauge, NY. Once again aware of the danger of doing out calls. She was on video leaving the motel later after she was done for the night. Telling her pimp that she was going to the store to buy some cigs and was never seen again. She left her cell phone behind. This to me is no big deal because if I had a dollar for every time I forgot my cell phone I would be one rich girl. To me this point to yet again someone from craiglist contacted her got a picture of her and an idea of where she would be and from there waited to get his chance. Where Megan was walking was a very good area actually for someone to grab her. I just am not buying she was stupid enough to go on a call with a client and leave her phone behind. Even if she said she would what woman wouldn&#8217;t secretively bring a cell phone just in case?
Not only that but wasn&#8217;t she from out of town also? How could this guy be a regular with no trace?
Then there is Amber Lynn Costello who went missing on September 2, 2010. We need to remember that she shared a cell phone with her room mate which is weird considering how much money he said she brought in. She was reported saying to her roommate when she was leaving when he had asked if she was taking the cell phone &#8220;no that&#8217;s not what he wants&#8221; . Also IMO she was the most street smart and didn&#8217;t she get beat up before and left on the side of the road? So IMO it&#8217;s safe to say she wouldn&#8217;t go with someone she didn&#8217;t know or at least you would think. But I don&#8217;t think we should be so quick to concluded that this john is the serial killer. Really, how far has that theory gotten anyone in this case? I mean was the guy who was offering her a large amount of money and picked her up really the last guy to have seen her? Her personal information was all over the internet right down to her address and she was being bashed about how she had ripped off some of her clients. Her room mate had said she totally had stalkers. With one guy even looking threw her windows. All this activity going on at their house and no one ever called the cops on them? Could she maybe have possible been dropped off by the john she had went with and was grabbed well walking back to her house on a dark street? Totally possible IMO.
I guess IMO for some of the women LE was able to get the last few phone calls made and none of them checked out.
And if he was emailing them then why or how were they not able to figure out an IP address and link one guy to all four girls that was a regular? And if he had used a different IP address then he would have to be computer smart in order to know how to fake an IP address.

 

[giagreen]

Another thing is how long where these girls being held for? Where they being held? I have seen others saying it&#8217;s impossible he was taking them back to his house. Okay, so it is easy to strangle a woman in you car no doubt. But if Jessica Tylor was killed by the same man who had switched up his MO then where did he kill her at? I doubt he dismembered her in his car. I would imagine dismembering someone would take a little bit of time and a place to do it that he new no one would be just dropping into say hi. And lets not forget cleaning up I am sure took some time. So I am assuming this guy then had a place to take these women back to. And was not against taking them back to his house, wear house, which ever. And if this killer is the same who murdered the other victims on Long Island then he would have had to of killed some of them before craiglist was even craiglist so maybe this guy isn&#8217;t as against hanging out on the streets waiting for women as he comes off as. I mean he defiantly ayn&#8217;t unique when it comes to picking out victims.

 

[Just K]

Here's a point that continues to nag at me:
MBB, was "supposedly" robbed the day she disappeared and "supposedly" she made or got the money back (some say $800-$900) before calling home, FOR a RIDE, from the Port Authority.

Why would she even bother going to the bus station if she was calling home and desperate for someone to drive into NYC, from CT, to pick her up. It doesn't make any sense unless she went to the Port Authority, called home, went back to work to get the money back and then called again for a ride.

BUT! If she made the money back and went to the bus station then why did she need a ride? She had the money for the bus and she was already at the station.

Was it was later than she expected to leave and she had to stay a long time in the bus station waiting for the next bus....and getting someone to drive in would have been faster?

Really, what is the real story here? And, why not find the "friends" that she supposedly came to NYC with and stay with them until the time the next bus rolled in?

MBB's story makes the least sense of them all. IMO.

 

[giagreen]

Here's a point that continues to nag at me:
MBB, was "supposedly" robbed the day she disappeared and "supposedly" she made or got the money back (some say $800-$900) before calling home, FOR a RIDE, from the Port Authority.

Why would she even bother going to the bus station if she was calling home and desperate for someone to drive into NYC, from CT, to pick her up. It doesn't make any sense unless she went to the Port Authority, called home, went back to work to get the money back and then called again for a ride.

BUT! If she made the money back and went to the bus station then why did she need a ride? She had the money for the bus and she was already at the station.

Was it was later than she expected to leave and she had to stay a long time in the bus station waiting for the next bus....and getting someone to drive in would have been faster?

Really, what is the real story here? And, why not find the "friends" that she supposedly came to NYC with and stay with them until the time the next bus rolled in?

MBB's story makes the least sense of them all. IMO.

Maybe she was scared of something or someone? But, then you would think she would of said something in her phone call. Unless if she did and they are not releasing that info. From what I read in her thread her sister said there was other things she could not talk about because it was part of the investigation. But, it's also a good possibility that she would maybe have to wait a long time for the bus to even come and didn't want to wait.
But, again like you said why would she even need to take a bus? If she had just made money then why not call a cab?
Could the perp maybe be a cab driver? That would be one really easy way to get the girls into his car. A fake cab? With doors rigged? That is the only other thing I could think of. I mean if he was a cab driver or something none of the girls would really have to call him they would just have to wave their hands and he would pull over and pick them up. Or even pull over and ask if they need a ride. This leaving no phone trace at all. And the girls very willing to jump in.

 

[genericwhitemale]

Another thing is how long where these girls being held for? Where they being held? I have seen others saying it&#8217;s impossible he was taking them back to his house. Okay, so it is easy to strangle a woman in you car no doubt. But if Jessica Tylor was killed by the same man who had switched up his MO then where did he kill her at? I doubt he dismembered her in his car. I would imagine dismembering someone would take a little bit of time and a place to do it that he new no one would be just dropping into say hi. And lets not forget cleaning up I am sure took some time. So I am assuming this guy then had a place to take these women back to. And was not against taking them back to his house, wear house, which ever. And if this killer is the same who murdered the other victims on Long Island then he would have had to of killed some of them before craiglist was even craiglist so maybe this guy isn&#8217;t as against hanging out on the streets waiting for women as he comes off as. I mean he defiantly ayn&#8217;t unique when it comes to picking out victims.

Geez, I dunno. Maybe he dismembered her at the dump site in Manorville where the body was discovered? Or is that too obvious?


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[giagreen]

Geez, I dunno. Maybe he dismembered her at the dump site in Manorville where the body was discovered? Or is that too obvious?


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Seriously, it doesn't sound reasonable to me that a killer would take the time to dismember a women in a public albeit "private" place to some degree. I've never heard of a killer dismembering a victim at a drop site. I have on the other hand heard of plenty of them dismembering their victim at their private killing spot.....just seems pretty obvious.

 

[giagreen]

Geez, I dunno. Maybe he dismembered her at the dump site in Manorville where the body was discovered? Or is that too obvious?


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And does he keep his luggage at this dump site? Most killers to me would be kinda scared to be hauling around a dead sex worker in luggage and dismember her in a place where he could bump into anyone at any time. lol Is that too obvious?