Psychological Markers

[Dwntwnslim]

@ Peter Brendt-

I'm curious, did you post a new profile on the LISK site? If you didn't, you might want to take a look at it. It's sounds a lot like yours.

 

[Peter Brendt]

@ Peter Brendt-

I'm curious, did you post a new profile on the LISK site? If you didn't, you might want to take a look at it. It's sounds a lot like yours.

Thanks for the hint, I don't real the LISK regularly. Of course, the passage with Mecca and East was connected to the SC murders. But be assured, I never post under the name "Brenda" :floorlaugh:

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Thanks for the hint, I don't real the LISK regularly. Of course, the passage with Mecca and East was connected to the SC murders. But be assured, I never post under the name "Brenda" :floorlaugh:

I didn't even see that name. All I saw were three initials. It was weird reading it. Parts of it sounded a lot like yours....other parts didn't. I wasn't sure.

I just thought I should bring it to your attention just in case.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I didn't even see that name. All I saw were three initials. It was weird reading it. Parts of it sounded a lot like yours....other parts didn't. I wasn't sure.

I just thought I should bring it to your attention just in case.

As I write in each and every of my profiles, they are written for the intent and purpose of learning. So, feel free to copy them at will. I would appreciate a hint from where you got it, but otherwise, it's fine by me. But of course, it's always interesting to see the own thoughts coming back from somewhere else.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

As I write in each and every of my profiles, they are written for the intent and purpose of learning. So, feel free to copy them at will. I would appreciate a hint from where you got it, but otherwise, it's fine by me. But of course, it's always interesting to see the own thoughts coming back from somewhere else.

It is on the current homepage of the LISK site. The post is attributed to a person with 3 initials.

 

[Peter Brendt]

It is on the current homepage of the LISK site. The post is attributed to a person with 3 initials.

The DJW profile? Oh my, I think, I would like to better not to be mentioned in connection to the mess, he made out of it. He has a circle conclusion in it. First he assumes, then he concludes on the base of the assumption and then he tries to prove the initial assumption based on the conclusions made on the very same assumption anyway. Consistency tests work in mathematics, but also there only, if you can hang it on something firm.
But as a matter of fact, he maybe sounds a little like me (in fact, like the FBI white book), but his profile is very different. So I can relax and watch the show.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

The DJW profile? Oh my, I think, I would like to better not to be mentioned in connection to the mess, he made out of it. He has a circle conclusion in it. First he assumes, then he concludes on the base of the assumption and then he tries to prove the initial assumption based on the conclusions made on the very same assumption anyway. Consistency tests work in mathematics, but also there only, if you can hang it on something firm.
But as a matter of fact, he maybe sounds a little like me (in fact, like the FBI white book), but his profile is very different. So I can relax and watch the show.

So sorry! I hope I didn't insult you! That was not my intention! Let me offer my sincerest apology if I did indeed insult you!

It seemed like the author of that post was attempting to sound like you, IMO. But yes, the thinking in that post was rather circuitous. It was hard to make sense out of it.

 

[Peter Brendt]

So sorry! I hope I didn't insult you! That was not my intention! Let me offer my sincerest apology if I did indeed insult you!

It seemed like the author of that post was attempting to sound like you, IMO. But yes, the thinking in that post was rather circuitous. It was hard to make sense out of it.

You didn't insult me and in fact, I appreciate the hint.
Just on the funny side, this is sometimes called the FBI Whitebookstyle (not sure in how many words to spell that correctly). You can go, just for the fun, and google for "Douglas", "Jack the Ripper" and "Profile". John Douglas wrote a profile for the Jack the Ripper case many years ago in best whitebookstyle but in fact, it tells only about how bothered he was about having a profile for a case 120 years cold for the media instead caring for the actual open cases piling up on his desk back then. Knowing that, it's a riot to read and I think, he did it intentionally because he knew, those media guys would just print it and leave him alone with his work.

 

[scandi]

Thanks for the hint, I don't real the LISK regularly. Of course, the passage with Mecca and East was connected to the SC murders. But be assured, I never post under the name "Brenda" :floorlaugh:

Peter, do you mean Mecca and the East is connected to the AC murders? I'd love to know what books you've written tho I don't read or speak German. lol

 

[scandi]

You didn't insult me and in fact, I appreciate the hint.
Just on the funny side, this is sometimes called the FBI Whitebookstyle (not sure in how many words to spell that correctly). You can go, just for the fun, and google for "Douglas", "Jack the Ripper" and "Profile". John Douglas wrote a profile for the Jack the Ripper case many years ago in best whitebookstyle but in fact, it tells only about how bothered he was about having a profile for a case 120 years cold for the media instead caring for the actual open cases piling up on his desk back then. Knowing that, it's a riot to read and I think, he did it intentionally because he knew, those media guys would just print it and leave him alone with his work.

Hi Peter, 'Whitebookstyle'. Would that be the opposite of a Ramusbookstyle? The latter was filed with great humor, straight man and the Funny man, talking about aFricka as opposed to Africa and Rhinasahoris as opposed to Rhinocerous. All part of great humor history.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

@ Peter Brendt-

How common are serial killers working as a team? I have heard of a duo (Otis Toole & Henry Lee Lucas?). Have you heard of any serial killing teams that were comprised of more than two killers?

The reason I ask these questions is that it has been suggested at another web site that there is a cabal of "desperate househusbands" involved with either just Shannan Gilbert's death and/or the GB4 and/or the Manorville murders. It would seem to be difficult to coordinate all the parties involved to pull that off and to keep everything a secret,IMO. I was hoping you could enlighten me as to how possible or not possible that could be.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Peter Brendt]

Peter, do you mean Mecca and the East is connected to the AC murders? I'd love to know what books you've written tho I don't read or speak German. lol

The whole staging in AC is consistent with a twisted version of the Sufi burial rites. Normally, in Islam, people are buried of course face-up, but with the head turned to Mecca and either without shoes but kind of socks or very light sandals because the basic Islamic burial rites says, nothing shall go into the earth that can't decompose. Also water is consistent or rather dampness, because for centuries, they believed, a soul bound to a mummified body is still roaming the world of the living (the equivalent to a Christian ghost). That happened quite a lot in the dry climate of the Middle East, and thus, you find often old graveyards in Arabia near the waterholes or at Oasis, rarely out in the desert.
Burying someone, you despise, someone, you want to bannish, can be done by burying face-down. But opposite to the face-down burials in other cultures (which basically mean all the same), the Moslems still hang on to the other details, because the "has to be decomposable" and the "looking East" rules still apply because in their belief, Allah has the inal decision anyway.
So, aside from the bodies looking face East, we have the socks, the face-down staging and the bodies in water or dampness whenever possible. Not one but four details showing off Islamic burial rites for someone who was deeply despised.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Hi Peter, 'Whitebookstyle'. Would that be the opposite of a Ramusbookstyle? The latter was filed with great humor, straight man and the Funny man, talking about aFricka as opposed to Africa and Rhinasahoris as opposed to Rhinocerous. All part of great humor history.

Technically, the difference is, Ramus is funny by intent, the FBI is rather funny in an involuntary way

 

[Peter Brendt]

@ Peter Brendt-

How common are serial killers working as a team? I have heard of a duo (Otis Toole & Henry Lee Lucas?). Have you heard of any serial killing teams that were comprised of more than two killers?

Thanks for your help!

Teams and packs are not so rare, but it's not that one is lurking on every corner. Technically, they are a systematic in their own right, but I skip that, that would fill another book.

The best known cases are non-sexual bound teams. Those can be friends, or often relatives. They have no sexual relationship to each other and technically, each of the partners has somewhat his won reward from this symbiosis. However, the usual model of a dominant and a submissive or sub-dominant partner rarely holds water when checked against real cases. Examples for this category:
The Hillside Stranglers (Buono and Bianchi)
Charles Ng and Richard Lake
The two Shens in China
Abel and Furlan in Italy
Lotti and Vanni (also Italy)
Matsunaga and Ofate in Japan
Volkovic and Kondratenko in the Ukraine
The Washington snipers
and so on and so on. All over the world and at all times. You may note, Lucas and Toole are not in my list because I think, especially Lucas was more of a serial confessor than a real serial killer (he killed three, but from his personal surroundings).

The next level would be if a team gets a third, maybe even a forth person. They are all not bound by sexual relationships, but they share some degree of power assurance behavior. And such lose packs usually depend on a leader. Basically the same as a non-sexual team only with more people and a leader. Examples for this category:
The Bloody Benders (I love my historic cases)
Bonin the Freeway Strangler and his helpers
The killer nurses of Lains in Austria (four Angels of Death)
Dean Corll used several adolescents to bring victims to him and kill them

Then we have couples or sexual bound teams. Those depend basically on a love relationship in the team rather than on a real dominant or sub-dominat model. However, as it is in any couple, one often is the more noisy part.
Wuornos and Moore
The Gallegos aka Lonely Hearts
The Bears
The Wests
The Brady and Hindley in England (Moor murders)
Clark and Bundy
The Copleands

History also knows about murder cults, which would be a kind of mission-driven pack. And there are rare cases in which it appears at least, as if there were sexual bound packs. But I would have to look those up. Talking about very rare here.

Hope, that helps a little

 

[txsvicki]

What does everyone think of the cop on tonight's Dark Mind show saying that he believes the bodies weren't intended to face East since the water is not stagnant and bodies could bob around? But, if they bobbed around and changed position how did they all end up equal distances apart. We're not being told everything in the case, but something has to account for the distances apart.

Also: I've been wondering if the AC city and Long Island murders are related, could the theory of a serial killer eventually getting lax and hiding bodies very close to home play into this case. He or they would probably live near the site on Long Island unless it's just another hiding spot. A serial killer making his own graveyard was mentioned in an earlier post, and these two locations seem to be that, IMO.

 

[Peter Brendt]

What does everyone think of the cop on tonight's Dark Mind show saying that he believes the bodies weren't intended to face East since the water is not stagnant and bodies could bob around? But, if they bobbed around and changed position how did they all end up equal distances apart. We're not being told everything in the case, but something has to account for the distances apart.

Also: I've been wondering if the AC city and Long Island murders are related, could the theory of a serial killer eventually getting lax and hiding bodies very close to home play into this case. He or they would probably live near the site on Long Island unless it's just another hiding spot. A serial killer making his own graveyard was mentioned in an earlier post, and these two locations seem to be that, IMO.

Funny things about dead people: In the first hours after rigor mortis set in, heads don't wven bob around when the body is free swimming. And for sure, even after rifor mortis, heads don't bob around in a few inches of water, since the nose would have to "bob" through the concrete bottom of the trench. And the one not in a trench wouldn't "bob" in any imaginable way without water at all. And even if, you asked the right question, why didn't they all bob to the east?
But then, a cop, now, after the thing with Mecca was like a dozen time copied and sent to them by at least half a dozen people by email all claiming, it was their idea, could have another reason than just stupidity to tell such a nonsense. That would be, if the looked at their Google maps and found out, there was back in the days an Islamic center with a little mosque just a few blocks away (keep in mind, the blocks weren't all filled in back then, they were still doing construction work).

 

[Dwntwnslim]

From what I understand, the significance of facing east is important to several religions. I don't understand why this would necessarily point toward a Muslim type of burial.

Were the bodies aligned perpendicular to Mecca?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_funeral

Christians are buried facing east too because Jesus is to arrive for the second coming from the east.

http://www.domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/20020101/SCRMNTL/christian_burial.htm

 

[Peter Brendt]

From what I understand, the significance of facing east is important to several religions. I don't understand why this would necessarily point toward a Muslim type of burial.

http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/ar...ID=3943&class=Features&subclass=Question Time

The article you linked basically refers to worshipping traditions, not to burial rites. And the references are also for Christianity at about 1st till 4th century A.C. If you look today at a Christian burial, what do you see? Someone laying in a coffin, face up. So he looks up, not to any side. And if, the direction in which the deceased would look would depend on the direction, the coffin is buried, which is in all Chritian graveyards today rather a result of landscaping and can be any direction. Arlington for example has nice bows in the rows. The one, my mother in law is buried has basically six big tomb fields of which only two would even allow to bury someone on an N-S axis (which would be the only way to let someone look to the East.
Jews worship facing East because most synagogues are built that way and yes, that's a reference to the Temple destroyed in Jerusalem in 70 A.C. However, Jewish graveyards aren't built on N-S axles anymore since about 1500 years, so I would consider this article, when it comes to burial rites, as a little outdated.
And the other problem is, you would need to find another religion that not only has the facing east part in the rites but also socks or linen shoes and no shoes and the mere paranoid fear of mummification instead of decomposition. I agree, 1 factor (facing east alone) would be a very weak argument. Three however are together a lot stronger.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

The article you linked basically refers to worshipping traditions, not to burial rites. And the references are also for Christianity at about 1st till 4th century A.C. If you look today at a Christian burial, what do you see? Someone laying in a coffin, face up. So he looks up, not to any side. And if, the direction in which the deceased would look would depend on the direction, the coffin is buried, which is in all Chritian graveyards today rather a result of landscaping and can be any direction. Arlington for example has nice bows in the rows. The one, my mother in law is buried has basically six big tomb fields of which only two would even allow to bury someone on an N-S axis (which would be the only way to let someone look to the East.
Jews worship facing East because most synagogues are built that way and yes, that's a reference to the Temple destroyed in Jerusalem in 70 A.C. However, Jewish graveyards aren't built on N-S axles anymore since about 1500 years, so I would consider this article, when it comes to burial rites, as a little outdated.
And the other problem is, you would need to find another religion that not only has the facing east part in the rites but also socks or linen shoes and no shoes and the mere paranoid fear of mummification instead of decomposition. I agree, 1 factor (facing east alone) would be a very weak argument. Three however are together a lot stronger.

Yep, I put the wrong link in my post. I have since corrected it and have added two different links. Apologies.

I was also wondering if the bodies were placed perpendicular to Mecca?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Yep, I put the wrong link in my post. I have since corrected it and have added two different links. Apologies.

I was also wondering if the bodies were placed perpendicular to Mecca?

Mo problem. Now you have an Ukrainian Catholic priest, who states "whenever possible". Seems, most time, it isn't possible then. Although, looking closely, this refers to the position of the whole body as in face upwards, body on a E-W axis with the head to the East, the feet to the West. It doesn't refer to posing the body in anyway sideways looking to the East.
And the other one? Wiki is such a thing. Very often, when you really travel to a place and see how the people live or what they do, the Wiki-article, you read has not the faintest similarity with what's really going on. Considering that, this article is not bad, it has a faint similarity. But it doesn't take in consideration, that Islam includes a number of variants or cults in itself, for example Sufis, Wahibi, Kadiri and so on. The same of course in the Shiite camp. And, as I wrote now two times, we are not talking about only one indicator but three. The facing east is only one thing, that makes me thinking in that direction, it would be a failure to ignore the whole picture.
And yes, those bodies were placed about perpendicular to Mecca on a N-S axis.