RC doesn't believe the gun story? Do you?

[lil momma]

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Maybe Teresa knows the advantages of bat phones. I learned of them through the Anthonys. If TN had worked even for a short time with LE, she must have known those phones can't be traced. Surely those in the drug culture know about them, too. :waitasec:

ITA!!!!!

I have always thought that there were more than just Misty's& Ron's regular cell phones... I also thought it was strange that ONLY Misty's number is listed on the police report. Ron had to have a phone, in order to make that many calls to Misty that night. Why wasn't his number taken down on the report? He is the bio father of the victim missing, so why wouldn't his number have been taken down? I just don't get it....


and so i stay on topic, i am really starting to re think the gun story, and this is why.... Ron has never pointed the finger at Joe and in fact has denied Joe ever being around at all.....and is now not believe the story about Joe harming HaLeigh.

The finger has never once been pointed to Ron by Misty, Joe, Tommy, or anyone for that matter. I do recall Misty telling her dad in one of the jail conversations that LE should look at Ron more, but that was after all the drug arrests, and she never actually said Ron, did it, the way her and Tommy say Joe did it.

Between the lies, and the finger pointing, IMO, The fact that no one has fingered Ron and that Ron denies certain things, makes me believes he is hiding something big....

The only reason i can think of that Tommy and Misty both would cover for Ron is that Ron and family have threatened Misty and Tommy. Ron has family on the outside that can take care of business for him...IMO, they always have and that is why the silence hasn't been broken. JMO


ETA- just realized, i didn't finish my post..lol
JMO

 

[SoSueMe]

I don't believe the gun story, but then again, I don't know what to believe anymore. If the gun story were true, why didn't we hear about a ransacked mobile home? Did Joe and Tommy go around very neatly peeking into closets and inbetween mattresses? Wouldn't they have torn that place apart looking for guns? I don't think we've heard of any property being damaged in the home. I also can't imagine someone in a murderous rage not destroying something, anything in the process. No, let's just scope up this child with three witnesses watching, rumage around and find a heavy duty black plastic bag, wait -- brick the door that swings outward, leave in a borrowed van, kill the child, throw her close to a dock that is frequently used and expect no one to talk.

I do have a problem with it.

 

[dodie20]

I don't believe the gun story, but then again, I don't know what to believe anymore. If the gun story were true, why didn't we hear about a ransacked mobile home? Did Joe and Tommy go around very neatly peeking into closets and inbetween mattresses? Wouldn't they have torn that place apart looking for guns? I don't think we've heard of any property being damaged in the home. I also can't imagine someone in a murderous rage not destroying something, anything in the process. No, let's just scope up this child with three witnesses watching, rumage around and find a heavy duty black plastic bag, wait -- brick the door that swings outward, leave in a borrowed van, kill the child, throw her close to a dock that is frequently used and expect no one to talk.

I do have a problem with it.

I have a problem with this too. I would think that before a raging psycho killed a child, he'd start off small, (trashing the house), work his way up, (busting some furniture), then maybe knock Misty around for awhile, & THEN move on to a child. That house should've been ripped from 1 end to the other, & Jr should've been awake, scared & crying during the 911...but instead, he heard the squeaky shoes. That's the tidiest & quietest rage, I've ever heard of.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

But does anyone know the true time this all allegedly took place??? Could someone have trashed the MH checking in drawers and closets? Could be that MC had enough time to straighten up what was messed up before RC came on the scene???...KWIM???

Did MC wake earlier than 3am? Did she sleep at all??? Did she leave the MH and children alone??? IIRC, a neighbor had mentioned about screams being heard at around 2:30am that same morning? Was it HaLeigh's screams? Was it MC??? There are too many unanswered, open questions. The most damning is the police claim there was no crime scene at the MH??? Who opened the back door if RC had the "one" key??? Why didn't LE take that door immediatley, not days if not weeks later??? I don't know what to think anymore...:banghead:

I think LE needs to find out if there was that altercation over this alleged gun, then I'd have to rethink my opinion on RC's physical involvement...I always thought his lifestyle is what led to HaLeigh's demise, but I never thought he was physically involved...but I reserve the right to change my mind, if this gun altercation really did take place...JMHO

Where is HaLeigh???

 

[dodie20]

But does anyone know the true time this all allegedly took place??? Could someone have trashed the MH checking in drawers and closets? Could be that MC had enough time to straighten up what was messed up before RC came on the scene???...KWIM???

Did MC wake earlier than 3am? Did she sleep at all??? Did she leave the MH and children alone??? IIRC, a neighbor had mentioned about screams being heard at around 2:30am that same morning? Was it HaLeigh's screams? Was it MC??? There are too many unanswered, open questions. The most damning is the police claim there was no crime scene at the MH??? Who opened the back door if RC had the "one" key??? Why didn't LE take that door immediatley, not days if not weeks later??? I don't know what to think anymore...:banghead:

I think LE needs to find out if there was that altercation over this alleged gun, then I'd have to rethink my opinion on RC's physical involvement...I always thought his lifestyle is what led to HaLeigh's demise, but I never thought he was physically involved...but I reserve the right to change my mind, if this gun altercation really did take place...JMHO

Where is HaLeigh???

speaking of that door...Ron punched it.

 

[SoSueMe]

speaking of that door...Ron punched it.

I also suspect he propped it open.

 

[SoSueMe]

The gun story I choose to believe is the one of Ron putting his gun in a culvert at Tommy Croslin's house. I don't think it was stolen at all. I think Mr. Cummings put that gun there to set someone up. Once he didn't need the setup, he retrieved it (or had Misty retrieve it, whatever you want to believe).

Then I have to wonder just why that particular gun could be used to set someone up.

Don't jump all over me, this is just my personal opinion.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The gun story I choose to believe is the one of Ron putting his gun in a culvert at Tommy Croslin's house. I don't think it was stolen at all. I think Mr. Cummings put that gun there to set someone up. Once he didn't need the setup, he retrieved it (or had Misty retrieve it, whatever you want to believe).

Then I have to wonder just why that particular gun could be used to set someone up.

Don't jump all over me, this is just my personal opinion.

I am on the same page...I feel that Ron got the gun out of the Culvert Feb 9th, cleaned it and turned it over to LE Feb 10 in the AM when they arrived after the 911 call. Just what my gut tells me...
Also could be why Tommy's dog was barking as well. Maybe the gun was at Tommy's not Hank Sr.? LE was at Tyler st. for what ever reason before they arrived at Green. There is another audio with Ron and Cobra where I heard with my ears Ron tell Cobra he was the one that hid the gun and retrieved. This latest audio just says that Ron had a gut feeling it was in the Culvert at Misty's mom and dads house. Unless I am going crazy...I know I heard that audio a few months ago and have been looking for it the past few days....:banghead:



This audio doesn’t say when Ron got the gun out of the Culvert, but if you put two and two together the only time he could of done so would of been on Feb 9th. He said he retrieved the gun, cleaned it, turned it over to LE. Which would of been the early hours of Feb 10,2009 after the 911 call to report Haleigh Missing. JMO though...

Again, that is he way it sounds to me anyway. Feb 9-10th.
Because if he got the gun out of the culvert from Hank Sr.'s house on Magnolia and turned it over to LE it had to be Feb 9-10. That is when LE took the Barreta, it was that night because Ron kept saying that he would shoot the person that stole his child.

Cobra: he recovered the gun, he had a gut feeling he would find the gun in a culver in a drainage ditch covered by a board at Hank Sr. house. When he found the gun he washed it clean and turned over to LE.

Now, if I could only find the other audio and take another listen because I am so sure I heard Ron states he was the one that hid the gun and cleaned. So which is it:banghead:
I would really like to know at what time did Ron retrieve this gun? Did anyone see him?
Misty and Chelsea also claim they were the ones that found the gun. Maybe it's another gun? But one thing for sure to me anyway, Ron got a gun out of a culvert and then turned over to LE...which would of been Feb 9-10.

This is the lastest audio posted by Papa...TY...in this one Cobra states that Ron only says that he had a gut feeling it was there.... But that is not what Ron Says in the audio where you can hear him talk about the gun. Again, unless I am hearing things...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Xvy_Yyp5c

 

[SoSueMe]

Madj, you are talking about the infamous "Cobra Tapes." I heard the same thing. Ron insinuates that he was the one who put the gun in the culvert. He quite cleverly points out to Cobra that if it were found there, anyone could have put it there.

The problem I have, is Ron letting one of his prized possessions out of his control, even for a short time. I'm thinking he must have had a pretty good reason to put the gun there in the first place.

 

[Tricia]

well, Ron doesn't believe the Joe story, doesn't believe that a dope boy would do this, doesn't believe that Misty was involved, doesn't believe that Haleigh wandered off, so, what exactly is left to believe? He claims he wasn't involved, but has pointed his finger at Crystal's side, more than once, but LE has cleared her, so the field of suspects, is really getting narrowed down, in his eyes. Has he ever voiced an opinion on Tommy? besides the dead rat, that is. But why would he not want Tommy to rat on himself?

Who is "dope boy"? Remember no name calling OK?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Madj, you are talking about the infamous "Cobra Tapes." I heard the same thing. Ron insinuates that he was the one who put the gun in the culvert. He quite cleverly points out to Cobra that if it were found there, anyone could have put it there.

The problem I have, is Ron letting one of his prized possessions out of his control, even for a short time. I'm thinking he must have had a pretty good reason to put the gun there in the first place.

:twocents: Thats just it, his prize gun was the riffle but he claims he cleaned the barreta and turned over to LE. Misty says that she used to have to sleep with a gun under her pillow in case someone would break in, she told this to her GM Hollars as well. If she was not at the MH that Monday, then the gun would no be there IMO. What was the real reason for sleeping with a gun under her pillow if nobody knew where Ron lived except for the Cummings, Croslins, Nay Nay & Amber? Who or what was Ron afraid of?

What reason would Ron have to hide one of his guns? Did he panic? Did something happen and he was going to pin it on someone else but changed his mind and went and retrieved the gun, cleaned it and later gave it to LE?

Ron had also mentioned in another interview that he had a gun cabinet in his home where he kept his guns, I just find it very odd that Joe comes to town and the first time he meets Ron he steals his gun when he supposedly kept them in a gun cabinet. You would think his cabinet would be locked if he was so obsessed with guns? Just does not make sense to me. I wonder how many guns Ron owns if he has them in a gun cabinet, and does he have a license for all of his guns.

 

[SoSueMe]

Who is "dope boy"? Remember no name calling OK?

"Dope boy" is a quote from Ron. He referred to "dope boys" to the undercover officer.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

"Dope boy" is a quote from Ron. He referred to "dope boys" to the undercover officer.

:waitasec:Oh Yeah, didn't Ron say that he knew for a fact that they wouldn't steal a child? Or something to that effect..

 

[Emeralgem]

Who is "dope boy"? Remember no name calling OK?

I don't think Ron C was referring to any specific person when he used the term.. "dope boys"
But NOW "White Boy" Greg is a term used by some of the locals when they are referring to Greg Page..AH over at artharris.com refers to him as 'White Boy" Greg too..I've noticed most here refer to him using the initials WBG...JMHO

 

[Dion]

Madj, you are talking about the infamous "Cobra Tapes." I heard the same thing. Ron insinuates that he was the one who put the gun in the culvert. He quite cleverly points out to Cobra that if it were found there, anyone could have put it there.

The problem I have, is Ron letting one of his prized possessions out of his control, even for a short time. I'm thinking he must have had a pretty good reason to put the gun there in the first place.

If Ron placed the gun in the culvert himself, he must have been in a rush to hide it as he didn't have time to put it in a bag or some other kind of protective cover.

It sounds like it was just tossed into a dirty drainage ditch, where it was exposed to the elements, and he had to clean it up after retrieval.

 

[Concerned Papa]

If Ron placed the gun in the culvert himself, he must have been in a rush to hide it as he didn't have time to put it in a bag or some other kind of protective cover.

It sounds like it was just tossed into a dirty drainage ditch, where it was exposed to the elements, and he had to clean it up after retrieval.

I can see ZERO reason for any gun thief to steal a pistol and hide it in a driveway drainage culvert, in a densely populated neighborhood with children playing up and down the street. What if a child was playing and looked in the culvert? What if it came a heavy rain and washed it out? The mailbox was right beside the end of the culvert, what if the mail person dropped a letter and bent over to pick it up and saw it?

But....what if you wanted to plant the gun to frame someone? It's not too shabby a spot then, in part for all of the same reasons mentioned above! Someone's likely to find it! Couple that with easy in to place it, and easy out to retrieve it, it's not a bad spot at all.

BTW, weren't Ronald Cummings' EXACT words..."If it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble"?

 

[doobiedoo52]

I can see ZERO reason for any gun thief to steal a pistol and hide it in a driveway drainage culvert, in a densely populated neighborhood with children playing up and down the street. What if a child was playing and looked in the culvert? What if it came a heavy rain and washed it out? The mailbox was right beside the end of the culvert, what if the mail person dropped a letter and bent over to pick it up and saw it?

But....what if you wanted to plant the gun to frame someone? It's not too shabby a spot then, in part for all of the same reasons mentioned above! Someone's likely to find it! Couple that with easy in to place it, and easy out to retrieve it, it's not a bad spot at all.

BTW, weren't Ronald Cummings' EXACT words..."If it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble"?

As in Tommy's premises?

 

[justus4all]

I can see ZERO reason for any gun thief to steal a pistol and hide it in a driveway drainage culvert, in a densely populated neighborhood with children playing up and down the street. What if a child was playing and looked in the culvert? What if it came a heavy rain and washed it out? The mailbox was right beside the end of the culvert, what if the mail person dropped a letter and bent over to pick it up and saw it?

But....what if you wanted to plant the gun to frame someone? It's not too shabby a spot then, in part for all of the same reasons mentioned above! Someone's likely to find it! Couple that with easy in to place it, and easy out to retrieve it, it's not a bad spot at all.

BTW, weren't Ronald Cummings' EXACT words..."If it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble"?

Good comment....Let me see if I understand what was Ron's intent to PLANT the gun on another's property...

Considering the sceneiro that H was shot,Ron's gun killed her, he claims his gun was stolen, he planted the "smoking gun" on another's property...to......implicate the property owner of a murder??
IMO...property owner would be taken in for questioning...IF....LE FOUND the weapon in the culvert, property owners PRINTS were on the gun...gun was found to have been recently fired...and bullet forencis in victum matched the calipher of the gun....(I watched too many CSI)..good plan....BUT..LE FOUND NO BODY/NO CRIME had been committed.........(and this could have been before Haleigh was permanently hid).....after H was permanently buried..)
Ron said he turned the gun over to LE...BUT WHICH GUN??? We do not know what gun was hid....ONLY Ron's comments...

Plus...What other reason to "plant the gun"??? So Joe wouldn't steal it??? If Ron was afraid of Joe trying to steal it......Why hide it ...like you say...on another's property...with folks/kids around???? Why not hide it in his car????? OR..Bury it under the MH...Why..hide it..OUT OF VIEW..AND SOME DISTANCE AWAY...????.....IMO he hid it...due to the first scenerio...

IMO somehow, a gun "stolen" and H missing ....are connected and by the same person...

 

[suspicious1]

I can see ZERO reason for any gun thief to steal a pistol and hide it in a driveway drainage culvert, in a densely populated neighborhood with children playing up and down the street. What if a child was playing and looked in the culvert? What if it came a heavy rain and washed it out? The mailbox was right beside the end of the culvert, what if the mail person dropped a letter and bent over to pick it up and saw it?

But....what if you wanted to plant the gun to frame someone? It's not too shabby a spot then, in part for all of the same reasons mentioned above! Someone's likely to find it! Couple that with easy in to place it, and easy out to retrieve it, it's not a bad spot at all.

BTW, weren't Ronald Cummings' EXACT words..."If it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble"?

Good point, Papa. If Ron hid his own gun, I can't see why he would put it under the culvert in TOMMY's driveway. Unless he wanted it to be found OR for the time being it was the safest place to put it (away from his mh). IDK but why Tommy's house? Or did Tommy put it there at Ron's request?
Or maybe one of them hid it because at that time Ron didn't have the time to clean it. Maybe Ron was in a rush at some point. Maybe rushing to work, he hid it under Tommy's driveway, and when he got off work, he picked it back up and cleaned it. Just thinking out loud.

Ron admitting to putting the gun there and also retrieving the gun from the culvert....tells me that....for whatever reason.....That gun could not be left or found on his own property....Why?? And the fact that he admitted to cleaning it (removing evidence:waitasec....tells me that....for whatever reason...that gun needed to be cleaned...Soooooo we have a gun that needed to be hidden away from Ron's home and Ron needed to make sure that it was cleaned. Why???
Ron did seemed to be worried about the gun being found at Tommy's, almost as if he knew at some point later, LE would be on Tommy's property. And if Ron needed that gun away from his own property, that's almost like him knowing that LE would be on his property too, at some point. The early morning of Feb. 10th, that's exactly where LE ended up....at Ron's and Tommy's. He acted as if he cared about whether or not Tommy would get into trouble..Which makes me think that Tommy does know what happened that night and him and Ron were on the same side. It would also explain Ratgate.

 

[Concerned Papa]

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As in Tommy's premises?

IIRC, at the time of the alleged theft, that's where Cousin Joe was staying. The same Cousin Joe who was being reported by practically every member of his family as being a pedophile, even though there were NO charges on his record to back it up. The same Cousin Joe who Ronald Cummings told AH fed "hundreds of alligators" in the dead of winter when every known biological expert on alligators says it didn't happen. I don't have a link handy for it, but if I remember correctly, there were even allegations of JO being a burglar with a MO of bricking doors!

No, IMO, the "setup attempt" wasn't just limited to a gun, there was much more to it with NO factual basis to be shown.