Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[Gilgamesh]

We have JSs word for it as well as AT&Ts explanation as to why the ph call would not appear on RZs billing statement.

LE did not conclude the death as a suicide based on non-verifiable evidence. There is ample evidence and all of it linked to RZ by fingerprints and DNA.

RZ wanted to implicate others in her death, perhaps, erroneously thinking that no one would possibly believe that she would hang her naked self outdoors at the mansion. In the beginning, I thought she was murdered, too. However, after researching the case, I could not overlook nor misinterpret the compelling evidence.

I believe she planned her suicide before the mysterious phone call from JS. I think RZ knew that she was in troubled waters and had made her decision by the time she boarded her dog, Ocean.

Oh, but RZ couldn't board Ocean when she first wanted to bc she had neglected to have Ocean properly vaccinated.

jmho

Oh, but isn't Rebecca an awful person for the vaccination lapse. Wow, coupled with her eye shadow and healthy eating habits, she is despicable..........................sarcasm

 

[Gilgamesh]

[/B]We have JSs word for it as well as AT&Ts explanation as to why the ph call would not appear on RZs billing statement.

LE did not conclude the death as a suicide based on non-verifiable evidence. There is ample evidence and all of it linked to RZ by fingerprints and DNA.

RZ wanted to implicate others in her death, perhaps, erroneously thinking that no one would possibly believe that she would hang her naked self outdoors at the mansion. In the beginning, I thought she was murdered, too. However, after researching the case, I could not overlook nor misinterpret the compelling evidence.

I believe she planned her suicide before the mysterious phone call from JS. I think RZ knew that she was in troubled waters and had made her decision by the time she boarded her dog, Ocean.

Oh, but RZ couldn't board Ocean when she first wanted to bc she had neglected to have Ocean properly vaccinated.
jmho

"Having Jonah's word for it." GMAFB. " Adam passed lie detector test with flying colors". " we determined Dina's location by her cell phone pings". It's a sad day in law enforcement when this type of 'evidence' is used to close a case.

 

[Gilgamesh]

BBM. LE had evidence of the exact time the message was received. JS not only confirmed he sent it, he told LE about the content. He had no reason to lie about any aspect of it and at the time, he had no idea whether LE could retrieve it.

JMO

I absolutely do not believe that JS had no reason to lie about the content of the VM.

 

[Mr Spock]

BBM. I agree and think the phone call was the final straw, not the beginning of her decision. I think Dr. Peterson was questioning the description of the accident long before the hospital contacted CPS and, in turn, Jonah was demanding answers from RZ.

imo, the reason she boarded the dog was because she was moving out at Jonah's request.

JMO

According to Anne Rules book, Rebecca owned a home she purchased with her own money. She had continued to pay the mortgage on that home while she was living with Jonah. Let's suppose Jonah did kick her out as you continually suggest. It wasn't as if Rebecca had "no where to go" and couldn't take her dog with her. She owned a home she and her dog could easily move back into. It wasn't as if this was someone who would be homeless and unable to keep her dog if she and Jonah were in fact over. I honestly IMO feel like Dina's is projecting what her own situation would have been like, when she was Jonah's live in GF, had Jonah dumped her. iMO Dina would have been homeless had she been dumped during her mistress or GF status, she owned nothing.

 

[IQuestion]

BBM1 - Please refresh my memory...what was the evidence? TIA

BBM2 - I am not claiming to know if he made the call or not, but if he did not make it, then he knew it couldn't be retrieved.

Kittichi You are the bomb! Common sense is not all that common. It reminds me of a guy who always tried to make me feel guilty by saying, "I came by your house to help you with your lawn, but you weren't home." Heck, how could I prove whether or not he came by my house??

Hmmm....interesting thought, I just don't think I would ever leave such sad/dire news on someone's voicemail. I think I might send a text (at the very least) asking for the person to call me as soon as they could. It just doesn't seem right to leave devastating news on a person's answering device.

 

[MyBelle]

According to Anne Rules book, Rebecca owned a home she purchased with her own money. She had continued to pay the mortgage on that home while she was living with Jonah. Let's suppose Jonah did kick her out as you continually suggest. It wasn't as if Rebecca had "no where to go" and couldn't take her dog with her. She owned a home she and her dog could easily move back into. It wasn't as if this was someone who would be homeless and unable to keep her dog if she and Jonah were in fact over. I honestly IMO feel like Dina's is projecting what her own situation would have been like, when she was Jonah's live in GF, had Jonah dumped her. iMO Dina would have been homeless had she been dumped during her mistress or GF status, she owned nothing.

Where do you get the idea that it was just Rebecca's dog? I find it highly unlikely it was her dog simply because her family has not asked for it.

JMO

 

[K_Z]

We have JSs word for it as well as AT&Ts explanation as to why the ph call would not appear on RZs billing statement.

LE did not conclude the death as a suicide based on non-verifiable evidence. There is ample evidence and all of it linked to RZ by fingerprints and DNA.

RZ wanted to implicate others in her death, perhaps, erroneously thinking that no one would possibly believe that she would hang her naked self outdoors at the mansion. In the beginning, I thought she was murdered, too. However, after researching the case, I could not overlook nor misinterpret the compelling evidence.

I believe she planned her suicide before the mysterious phone call from JS. I think RZ knew that she was in troubled waters and had made her decision by the time she boarded her dog, Ocean.

Oh, but RZ couldn't board Ocean when she first wanted to bc she had neglected to have Ocean properly vaccinated.

jmho

BBM.

What is your source for this information? (Bolded area.) I had not heard that before. How do you know this is true? When did Rebecca first want to have Ocean boarded? Was Ocean refused by Diggity Dogs? Did Rebecca obtain the additional vaccinations so the dog could board?

<mod snip>

I know that my pets have to have additional vaccinations if I want to board them at our pet hospital, but those vaccinations have always been optional for our pets. Our vets have always clearly told us they are optional, and only needed for a kennel. We don't board our pets, so we have always opted out of the additional expense for those extra vaccinations, and because one pet has health issues that we balance against the risks of the additional vaccinations. I hardly think our vets would characterize me as "neglecting" to have my pets "properly vaccinated".

Without more information, I cannot agree with your comment that Rebecca "neglected" to have Ocean "properly vaccinated". <mod snip>

Just as I also think it is also unfair to characterize Dina Shacknai as "neglectful" for not immediately following thru with a cardiac evaluation for Max's newly discovered heart murmur. The overwhelming majority of pediatric murmurs that are newly discovered in school age children are benign and incidental, and do not require an emergency or immediate consult. If the doc discovering Max's murmur felt it was an emergency, he or she would have directed Max's parents to a specialist within a day or so.

While I disagree and find fault with MANY things Dina has done, I do not fault her at all over not scheduling a pedes cardiac consult right away. Many criticize her for that, and call her neglectful for it, but I never have. FWIW.

Added: I found the link. Interesting that even the kennel guy didn't characterize Rebecca as "neglectful" because of the need for additional vaccinations. Remember that Ocean was only 14 months old-- maybe it wasn't the proper time for those vaccination yet. So I still cannot agree that Rebecca was "neglectful" for not having Ocean "properly" vaccinated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/19/ijvm.01.html

---snipped---

VELEZ-MITCHELL:Ted Greenberg, we`re delighted to have you on tonight. You`re the owner of Camp Diggity Dog, and you saw Rebecca on the day she died?

TED GREENBERG, OWNER, CAMP DIGGITY DOG: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us -- tell us everything. Tell us what you know.

GREENBERG: Sure. Rebecca called Camp Diggity Dog on Monday to tell us that she needed her dog picked up from her home and boarded at Camp Diggity Dog for a few days. She told us that her child had been in a horrible accident and that she needed to get to the hospital.

So I spoke to her about five times, actually, on Monday. And we needed to get some vaccinations for her dog before we could board her dog. So on Tuesday morning I was preparing to come get her dog when she called me at about 8:15 in the morning to ask if I could come over at that point. I headed over to Coronado. I got there around 8:45 in the morning. Spent about 15 minutes with her.

She took me upstairs in the mansion. We filled out some paperwork. She had to get a different computer to attach to the printer. Took me downstairs to get the dog food. Inquired about the dog food and what we needed. Told me a little bit about the mansion and how she lived there in the summertime and had somebody else stay in the guest house over the winter.

 

[MyBelle]

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Kittichi You are the bomb! Common sense is not all that common. It reminds me of a guy who always tried to make me feel guilty by saying, "I came by your house to help you with your lawn, but you weren't home." Heck, how could I prove whether or not he came by my house??

Hmmm....interesting thought, I just don't think I would ever leave such sad/dire news on someone's voicemail. I think I might send a text (at the very least) asking for the person to call me as soon as they could. It just doesn't seem right to leave devastating news on a person's answering device.

If it wasn't a message from Jonah, then who was the message from? In this case, I think the news was more devastating to the caller than it was to the recipient because Max was Jonah's son.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

Where do you get the idea that it was just Rebecca's dog? I find it highly unlikely it was her dog simply because her family has not asked for it.

JMO

I believe it was in Ann Rule's book where NN stated the dog was originally his. How are you sure the Z family has not asked for the dog?

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[MyBelle]

I believe it was in Ann Rule's book where NN stated the dog was originally his. How are you sure the Z family has not asked for the dog?

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The family has been publicly vocal in what they have requested be returned.

I'm not aware of any request for the dog. If I'm mistaken, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

 

[kittychi]

If it wasn't a message from Jonah, then who was the message from? In this case, I think the news was more devastating to the caller than it was to the recipient because Max was Jonah's son.

JMO

Gee, too bad they couldn't find out by checking phone records!

 

[inthedark14]

The family has been publicly vocal in what they have requested be returned.

I'm not aware of any request for the dog. If I'm mistaken, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

They have made a public request and filed suit to have RZ's possessions returned to them from LE. Obviously the LE did not have the dog. Stating that they never requested to JS that Rebecca's dog be returned to them is not a fact and is rumor. My point is that we don't know one way or the other.

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[MyBelle]

Gee, too bad they couldn't find out by checking phone records!

They did find out it was Jonah by speaking to him. Jonah's call detail for his phone would also show the call was made.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/154850...e-calls-to-rebecca-zahau?clienttype=printable

News 8 obtained two pages of AT&T billing logs from the 32-year-old's cell phone, which family members said was a newer-model phone using the Windows Phone mobile operating system.

The cell phone records confirm Zahau listened to her voicemail for two minutes at 12:50 a.m. on July 13, about two hours before her estimated time of death.

 

[Gilgamesh]

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Kittichi You are the bomb! Common sense is not all that common. It reminds me of a guy who always tried to make me feel guilty by saying, "I came by your house to help you with your lawn, but you weren't home." Heck, how could I prove whether or not he came by my house??

Hmmm....interesting thought, I just don't think I would ever leave such sad/dire news on someone's voicemail. I think I might send a text (at the very least) asking for the person to call me as soon as they could. It just doesn't seem right to leave devastating news on a person's answering device.

Ummmmm...how about AS texting JS that
his girlfriend had ( supposedly) hung herself
and was dead ? Strange ways of communicating
in the Shacknai family.....

 

[K_Z]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...e-investigator-after-max-rebecca-zahau-deaths

Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog tells us, "Jonah called me and said a private investigator, Denis Love was going to pick-up the dog. Jonah said Denis was a good guy and an ex-cop. The private investigator didn't ask me any questions."

Do we know what became of the dog? Where is Ocean now?

 

[MyBelle]

They have made a public request and filed suit to have RZ's possessions returned to them from LE. Obviously the LE did not have the dog. Stating that they never requested to JS that Rebecca's dog be returned to them is not a fact and is rumor. My point is that we don't know one way or the other.

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Please do not misrepresent my post. I clearly stated: I'm not aware of any request for the dog. If I'm mistaken, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

Where do you get the idea that it was just Rebecca's dog? I find it highly unlikely it was her dog simply because her family has not asked for it.

JMO

I believe it was in Ann Rule's book where NN stated the dog was originally his. How are you sure the Z family has not asked for the dog?

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The family has been publicly vocal in what they have requested be returned.

I'm not aware of any request for the dog. If I'm mistaken, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

They have made a public request and filed suit to have RZ's possessions returned to them from LE. Obviously the LE did not have the dog. Stating that they never requested to JS that Rebecca's dog be returned to them is not a fact and is rumor. My point is that we don't know one way or the other.

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Please do not misrepresent my post. I clearly stated: I'm not aware of any request for the dog. If I'm mistaken, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

With all due respect and please do humor me, I have nothing to link that they have requested Ocean, this is why I was posing the question...Do you have one stating that they haven't? Just trying to be clear on what is rumor and what is fact. TIA

 

[MyBelle]

With all due respect and please do humor me, I have nothing to link that they have requested Ocean, this is why I was posing the question...Do you have one stating that they haven't? Just trying to be clear on what is rumor and what is fact. TIA

How can I link something I haven't seen?

 

[inthedark14]

How can I link something I haven't seen?

Ok, I'm sorry I misunderstood your statement of "simply because her family hasn't asked for it". It seemed as that was stated as fact. Thanks.

 

[bourne]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...e-investigator-after-max-rebecca-zahau-deaths



Do we know what became of the dog? Where is Ocean now?

IIRC, an insider had claimed that Ocean was taken by Jonah via a security staff and that Ocean has now been given away to some other home.