Rebecca's cell phone records

[CuriousGeorgia]

IMO, finding out a little boy that you were watching would never walk again because of an accident (or not), would be a HUGE jolt and if RZ felt responsible at all could have caused her to take her own life. From all accounts, she was the type of person who when they made up their mind to do something, did it and did it BIG. Remember Mary saying she learned to swim in just a couple of weeks to do a marathon with a friend?

 

[justice be served]

NR stated in an interview with a reporter that both JS & DS were told by a doctor at the hospital that Max would never walk again. That would have been earlier in the evening when they were both there.

For some reason JS waits untill after midnight to tell Rebecca about it... they never even discuss it in person and RZ suddenly ties herself up in knots and flings herself off the balcony..... yeah that makes sense....:maddening:

For some strange reason DS contradicts this information in her boy interrupted interview. :what:

I am really wondering why there are so many inconsistencies in her interview. Me thinks she needs some new advisors!

 

[*Lash*]

I wonder how common it is for people to commit suicide after an accident that occurred while watching a child? Babysitters, child care workers, school teachers, nannies and family members all watch children everyday. Accidents happen everyday. How many of them commit suicide when they receive unfortunate news involving a child they were watching?

 

[FightTheOstrich]

IMO, finding out a little boy that you were watching would never walk again because of an accident (or not), would be a HUGE jolt and if RZ felt responsible at all could have caused her to take her own life. From all accounts, she was the type of person who when they made up their mind to do something, did it and did it BIG. Remember Mary saying she learned to swim in just a couple of weeks to do a marathon with a friend?

So if as you say she was the type of person to face challenges head on, why would she take her own life? She seems like the type of person that would have been calling specialists and experts and looking for solutions. IMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I wonder how common it is for people to commit suicide after an accident that occurred while watching a child? Babysitters, child care workers, school teachers, nannies and family members all watch children everyday. Accidents happen everyday. How many of them commit suicide when they receive unfortunate news involving a child they were watching?

And I wonder how common it is that Mothers, Fathers, Aunts, and Uncles work together to commit murder because a child was injured under someone's care?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

So if as you say she was the type of person to face challenges head on, why would she take her own life? She seems like the type of person that would have been calling specialists and experts and looking for solutions. IMO

This is the wrong thread. We'd have to go to the thread about Dina looking for answers to Max's injury for me to answer fully, but I think RZ was scared of being caught.

 

[Salem]

Posting in all threads.

Okay Everybody - this has been said a hundred times, I'm sure. But I'm giving it one more shot and then I'm just going to issue TOs to EVERYBODY.

Dina is a victim of Max's death. As his mother, she has every right to want his death re-investigated. DO NOT BASH HER. You may talk about her media presence but you cannot keep accusing her of nefarious activity or thoughts - even if it is your opinion. She doesn't warrant that and neither LE or MSM have given any reason to indicate she is suspect in the death of RZ. So... you can talk about her actions, her media presence, and the timeline, but stop the bashing.

RZ is a victim here also. DO NOT BASH HER. You may talk about MSM, LE and timeline information but you cannot keep accusing her of nefarious activity or thoughts - even if it is your opinion. She doesn't warrant that and neither LE or MSM have given any reason to indicate she is suspect in the death of Max.

Both women are victims. Like it or not, that is the way it is and you are expected to post accordingly. If you fail to do so, you will lose posting privileges for a period of time.

Salem

 

[iSleuth]

I wonder if his cell records will ever be released. I think it is very interesting that there is no incoming calls or texts made from him that entire day until he says he left this voicemail. Obviously she would be home at this time, If you don't get her on her cell why not call the landline?

That will be interesting. I would imagine JS has more than one phone (very common these days for even small businesses I mean even we do and we don't have very great jobs!) I would not be surprised though that he doesn't have much phone usage that entire day. I would also imagine his phone would have been off-mostly- while he was pre occupied at the hospital (?) any calls forwarded and or someone ( an Admin) taking urgent calls for him. What else could be important?

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip>

BBM. No suspects have been named by either the family or LE in RZ's death. The case is still closed, ruled a suicide. On the other hand, Max's mother has publicly named those she believes were dishonest in their statements about what happened to Max and she's given reasons why she is suspicious and wants the investigation reopened. I think there is a huge difference between the approaches by the two families <modsnip>.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

BBM. No suspects have been named by either the family or LE in RZ's death. The case is still closed, ruled a suicide. On the other hand, Max's mother has publicly named those she believes were dishonest in their statements about what happened to Max and she's given reasons why she is suspicious and wants the investigation reopened. I think there is a huge difference between the approaches by the two families <modsnip>.

JMO

Rebecca's sisters and brother adamantly and publically stated that Rebecca did not kill herself, she was MURDERED. They are openly challenging LE's findings.

It is natural that the prime suspects would be those people who strongly promoted the suicide meme before LE had even examined Rebecca's corpse.

A second autopsy showed that Rebecca may have been assaulted and murdered.

In addition, JS and LE did not cooperatively work to allow the Zahau's lawyer to examine the site of Rebecca's death.

Though Rebecca has no known history of depression, mental illness or violence she is being accused of murder and suicide by a person who has a history of violence <modsnip>.

 

[Salem]

Okay - you guys are seasoned posters. You know that if you have a question about moderation, you pm a Mod. You don't bring it to the thread.

Bashing includes: "but you cannot keep accusing her of nefarious activity or thoughts" (as stated in my warning post).

AND this goes for BOTH women.

You may discuss timelines, media, LE statements, but the aggressive posting accusing or naming or reading the mind of the person in question is over the top and needs to stop.

If you have further questions, I will be happy to answer them through the PM system.

Salem

 

[Linda7NJ]

Has it been disclosed through interviews and documented somewhere what the topic of conversations were in texts, calls and voice mail ?

Has phone & cellphone logs of the calls, texts of all the other parties been turned over to LE and reviewed?


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[MyBelle]

Rebecca's sisters and brother adamantly and publically stated that Rebecca did not kill herself, she was MURDERED. They are openly challenging LE's findings.

It is natural that the prime suspects would be those people who strongly promoted the suicide meme before LE had even examined Rebecca's corpse.

A second autopsy showed that Rebecca may have been assaulted and murdered.

In addition, JS and LE did not cooperatively work to allow the Zahau's lawyer to examine the site of Rebecca's death.

Though Rebecca has no known history of depression, mental illness or violence she is being accused of murder and suicide by a person who has a history of violence <modsnip>.

RZ's family can't prove she was murdered. There is evidence she died in a suicide. In a nutshell, that is why LE won't reopen the investigation.

I know of several suicides who gave no hint of their emotional turmoil to their friends or family. Oftentimes, the first attempt is successful, thus no history.

I don't know where the idea comes from that LE is supposed to cooperate with a private attorney who has already very publicly criticized them. It didn't work for the Holloways in Aruba and I've never heard of any other case where such tactics have resulted in cooperation.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Hi MyBelle, it seems to me that the Zahau family is in denial about Rebecca's suicide. On the day Rebecca was found, Mary refused to even consider that it could have been a suicide, and made up her mind right then that it was a murder. I don't think anything the SDSO could have said would have changed her mind. They even flew to Missouri to give her the news in person. I really do feel for her, as I know a suicide when there are no warning signs is hard to accept. But I do think she is in denial big time. IMO.

Also, these are just a few of the many comments that were made about the SDSO. IMO, if the SDSO did not cooperate by going back into the mansion with Bremner's team, it is only because Mary said she did not want "them to touch her sister's case again at all".

Sept. 1, 2011

Nalepa said he no longer trusts the investigators. &#8220;We were pretty positive they were looking at the possibility of a homicide,&#8221; the nursing student said. &#8220;It doesn't look like they ever did."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/family-rejects-mansion-suicide-finding#c

Sept. 2, 2011

Becky did not kill herself, someone killed her,&#8221; Snowem Horwath, Rebecca&#8217;s sister, exclusively claimed to RadarOnline.com. &#8220;Time will reveal who killed Becky. I think I know who killed my sister. We are not stupid, she never had any enemies.&#8221;
Horwath would not reveal who she believes killed her sister, but she disputed the evidence the police told her family they used to determine Rebecca killed herself. &#8220;They do not have enough evidence to say it is a suicide, it is such a big lie,&#8221; Horwath alleged, noting that the family felt that there were many &#8220;holes&#8221; in their theories.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ca-zahau-was-murdered-not-suicide-says-sister

&#8220;The family wants justice. The police have a duty to fully investigate the case and we don&#8217;t want them to close the investigation today. The family does not believe it was a suicide.&#8221;

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ecca-zahau-family-do-not-want-case-closed-not



Sept. 5, 2011

Bremner has said she plans to formally request the Sheriff's Department reopen Zahau's death investigation. She added: "This investigation shouldn't have had an ending Friday. It should have had a beginning."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...th-not-suicide-lawyer-anne-bremner-calls-case


Sept. 6. 2011

Mary Zahau, Rebecca's sister tells RadarOnline.com: "Jonah told my husband, on the day that Becky died, that she had killed herself. Jonah tried to reach me, but got my husband on the phone first to give us the horrible news that Becky had died.
"When my husband had told me what happened, that Becky had supposedly killed herself, well, I knew there was no way that was true. Becky never had a history of depression, or suicidal tendencies."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...rlfriend-rebecca-zahau-suicide-day-body-found


Sept. 8, 2011

Cops said one of the reasons Rebecca might have killed herself was because she had been depressed in recent months. "If my sister was indeed so depressed, why did Jonah let her take care of Max? Rebecca spent so much time with Max, she would drive him from school to soccer practice all the time. It just doesn't make sense," Mary states.
The Zahau family wants cops to re-open Rebecca's case, "my sister didn't kill herself, Becky never would have done that," Mary Zahau says.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...get-jonah-shacknai-s-ex-wife-dina-says-sister


Sept 19, 2011

Mary Zahou says she&#8217;s &#8220;very disappointed&#8221; with the San Diego Sheriff's Department handling of her sister&#8217;s death which was ruled a suicide, something that the family refuses to accept.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ecca-zahau-family-do-not-want-case-closed-not


Nov. 14, 2011

Dr. Phil added, though, that he is confident that Sheriff Bill Gore, who declined to participate in the show, would &#8220;passionately and vigorously&#8221; re-open the case if persuasive new evidence arises.

Zahau Loehner and another of Zahau's sisters believe she was killed and have publicly derided the Sheriff's department for concluding that she committed suicide.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/zahau


Nov. 15, 2011

After Wecht shared his conclusions, Bremner and Zahau's sister, Mary Zahau Loehner, repeated that they would seek a new investigation, but not by the Sheriff's department.
&#8220;I would prefer that they not touch my sister's case any more at all,&#8221; Zahau Loehner said.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/pathologist-tells-dr-phil-he-doubts-that-zahau-killed-herself

 

[justice be served]

RZ's family can't prove she was murdered. There is evidence she died in a suicide. In a nutshell, that is why LE won't reopen the investigation.

I know of several suicides who gave no hint of their emotional turmoil to their friends or family. Oftentimes, the first attempt is successful, thus no history.

I don't know where the idea comes from that LE is supposed to cooperate with a private attorney who has already very publicly criticized them. It didn't work for the Holloways in Aruba and I've never heard of any other case where such tactics have resulted in cooperation.
JMO

BBM. The "private attorney" is representing Rebecca's family's efforts to reopen the case. Rebecca's family has rights under the First Amendment to speak their position and request to be heard. IMO that is very different than "public criticism" of SDSO. This is also America and not a foreign country.

"CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SEC. 2. (a) Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or
her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of
this right. A law may not restrain or abridge liberty of speech or
press."

IMO having to defend the Zahau's for their right to do so is ludicrous though not surprising considering SDSO's poor and unequal treatment of the family.

 

[Charterhouse]

If Jonah had claimed to the police that he was the one who had left the voice mail on Rebecca's phone, did they check his phone or phone log to corroborate his statement? I wonder what kind of cell phone Rebecca had that did not allow deleted voice mails to be retrieved. I also wonder why the LE is reluctant to release the contents of the phone to Rebecca's family. Shouldn't they have shared that information to her own family, especially since the case is now closed?

An interesting read:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/17/rebecca-zahau-case-the-voice-mail/

Has anyone been able to access this link?

 

[screecher]

...If the SDSO did not cooperate by going back into the mansion with Bremner's team, it is only because Mary said she did not want "then to touch her sister's case again at all"

After Wecht shared his conclusions, Bremner and Zahau's sister, Mary Zahau Loehner, repeated that they would seek a new investigation, but not by the Sheriff's department.
&#8220;I would prefer that they not touch my sister's case any more at all,&#8221; Zahau Loehner said.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/pathologist-tells-dr-phil-he-doubts-that-zahau-killed-herself

RBM

So you are saying the reason SDSO, a professional LE agency, refused cooperate with Bremner's team is because of MZL's comments? :what:

Link please...showing SDSO saying reason was result of MZL's comments.

 

[screecher]

Has anyone been able to access this link?

I'm not sure, but I think that link is no longer available. Off line I believe.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. The "private attorney" is representing Rebecca's family's efforts to reopen the case. Rebecca's family has rights under the First Amendment to speak their position and request to be heard. IMO that is very different than "public criticism" of SDSO. This is also America and not a foreign country.

"CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SEC. 2. (a) Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or
her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of
this right. A law may not restrain or abridge liberty of speech or
press."

IMO having to defend the Zahau's for their right to do so is ludicrous though not surprising considering SDSO's poor and unequal treatment of the family.

I believe you misunderstand the concept. The Right to Free Speech doesn't include a Right to be heard. Anybody can freely criticize the government and people do it every day. There's an entire political party doing just that right now in Tampa. Nobody is forced to listen or even take it seriously.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Hi MyBelle, it seems to me that the Zahau family is in denial about Rebecca's suicide. On the day Rebecca was found, Mary refused to even consider that it could have been a suicide, and made up her mind right then that it was a murder. I don't think anything the SDSO could have said would have changed her mind. They even flew to Missouri to give her the news in person. I really do feel for her, as I know a suicide when there are no warning signs is hard to accept. But I do think she is in denial big time. IMO.

Also, these are just a few of the many comments that were made about the SDSO. If the SDSO did not cooperate by going back into the mansion with Bremner's team, it is only because Mary said she did not want "them to touch her sister's case again at all".

Sept. 1, 2011

Nalepa said he no longer trusts the investigators. “We were pretty positive they were looking at the possibility of a homicide,” the nursing student said. “It doesn't look like they ever did."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/family-rejects-mansion-suicide-finding#c

Sept. 2, 2011

Becky did not kill herself, someone killed her,” Snowem Horwath, Rebecca’s sister, exclusively claimed to RadarOnline.com. “Time will reveal who killed Becky. I think I know who killed my sister. We are not stupid, she never had any enemies.”
Horwath would not reveal who she believes killed her sister, but she disputed the evidence the police told her family they used to determine Rebecca killed herself. “They do not have enough evidence to say it is a suicide, it is such a big lie,” Horwath alleged, noting that the family felt that there were many “holes” in their theories.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ca-zahau-was-murdered-not-suicide-says-sister

“The family wants justice. The police have a duty to fully investigate the case and we don’t want them to close the investigation today. The family does not believe it was a suicide.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ecca-zahau-family-do-not-want-case-closed-not



Sept. 5, 2011

Bremner has said she plans to formally request the Sheriff's Department reopen Zahau's death investigation. She added: "This investigation shouldn't have had an ending Friday. It should have had a beginning."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...th-not-suicide-lawyer-anne-bremner-calls-case


Sept. 6. 2011

Mary Zahau, Rebecca's sister tells RadarOnline.com: "Jonah told my husband, on the day that Becky died, that she had killed herself. Jonah tried to reach me, but got my husband on the phone first to give us the horrible news that Becky had died.
"When my husband had told me what happened, that Becky had supposedly killed herself, well, I knew there was no way that was true. Becky never had a history of depression, or suicidal tendencies."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...rlfriend-rebecca-zahau-suicide-day-body-found


Sept. 8, 2011

Cops said one of the reasons Rebecca might have killed herself was because she had been depressed in recent months. "If my sister was indeed so depressed, why did Jonah let her take care of Max? Rebecca spent so much time with Max, she would drive him from school to soccer practice all the time. It just doesn't make sense," Mary states.
The Zahau family wants cops to re-open Rebecca's case, "my sister didn't kill herself, Becky never would have done that," Mary Zahau says.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...get-jonah-shacknai-s-ex-wife-dina-says-sister


Sept 19, 2011

Mary Zahou says she’s “very disappointed” with the San Diego Sheriff's Department handling of her sister’s death which was ruled a suicide, something that the family refuses to accept.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ecca-zahau-family-do-not-want-case-closed-not


Nov. 14, 2011

Dr. Phil added, though, that he is confident that Sheriff Bill Gore, who declined to participate in the show, would “passionately and vigorously” re-open the case if persuasive new evidence arises.

Zahau Loehner and another of Zahau's sisters believe she was killed and have publicly derided the Sheriff's department for concluding that she committed suicide.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/zahau


Nov. 15, 2011

After Wecht shared his conclusions, Bremner and Zahau's sister, Mary Zahau Loehner, repeated that they would seek a new investigation, but not by the Sheriff's department.
“I would prefer that they not touch my sister's case any more at all,” Zahau Loehner said.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/pathologist-tells-dr-phil-he-doubts-that-zahau-killed-herself

I've never understood why they even thought their criticism of multiple LE agencies would somehow result in getting what they wanted.

JMO