Related Issues and Food for Thought

[Tamarind]

The point of stating "everyone is missing the obvious" would be to convince whomever he was conversing with that he is innocent and that there is another "obvious" story that is such a big secret that he can't tell it for almost 3 years but just to trust him that there is one. And since he is not required to tell any story at his trial, what would he care if his insinuation is never substantiated?

And no, I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe anything that DM is saying about the "obvious" story, right in front of our eyes, that everyone is missing. And if his lawyer just keeps dropping innuendo at the trial that there is more to it without producing any absolute proof of his innocence then they are both just clutching at straws at that point hoping to raise some reasonable doubt. And if they have absolute proof of his innocence, why has DM been sitting in jail for 2 years?

MOO

He would need to care if an unsubstantiated story was being floated out there. A jury will not believe fantasy. IMO. I do believe that there are many people in jails whose story is true and they have been hijacked by the system. I don't think that means I am naive at all. DM is in jail because he has been charged and the system is such that once you are in, it is hard to just speak and get out. It is not advisable to speak especially if DM doesn't know himself what the actual facts are. JMO

 

[Kamille]

IF the truck was not the target (TB case) which is what I believe (regardless of what LE allege) then it is possible in my opinion that someone who had money on them was the target. It is possible that the guy withdrawing money had other money on him and needed a further $400. TB's cellphone was found in an area that was not where people usually walk by. Both were at night, which is odd. Why would someone walk into a wooded area at night ? I think we will have to agree to differ Kamille.

If the truck was not the target, and has nothing to do with Tim's murder, why mention that the missing man drove the same kind of vehicle in bold emphasis? And I have no idea why someone would withdraw cash and walk into a wooded area at night, other than to purchase illegal drugs, but a video surveillence camera apparently filmed him doing it. Anyway, you're right, it appears we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

O/T or not, we'll see ...

Sina Parsi, 32, hasn’t been seen since Tuesday. Police found his pickup truck in Toronto on Thursday but his friends and family’s concerns for his safety are increasing.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2051495/york-police-search-for-missing-man/

Police will be conducting a search in the parks in the Jane St. and Eglinton Ave. area and are telling residents to expect a heavy police presence there while the searches are underway.

(Good to know for all drug dealers ...)


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/torontos-new-murder-capital/article4327089/?page=all

Toronto police conducted a gang and drug sweep, Project Spring Clean, arresting 120 people and dismantling grow-ops.

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Maybe, TB had cash in his pocket to buy something illegal while selling the truck to young men with appropriate connections??? They had a call before the test drive and maybe TB asked for something, unknown to Sharlene (or not). Sometime TB had drunk too much, his wife had dissuaded him successfully from alcohol. Maybe, TB needed a little "High" from time to time, if the opportunity was just favorable? - No rumors, just my thoughts!

The murder of TB is always consistently devilish, whether for money or drugs or truck or "only" a thrill, whether the perps are DM/MS or others.

 

[matou]

There is no connection between Smich, Millard and Bosma other than with Bosma's murder so why would Bosma want to buy something illegal while trying to sell his truck? I don't get it. Also Parsi's disappearance is strange but other than him being male, young and owning a Dodge Ram truck, I see no connection. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Sina Parsi's body was found about a kilometre away from his truck on Friday night. Looks like he walked into a wooded area with $400 cash in his wallet and his body was dumped most likely in a railway yard a kilometre away. Now THAT seems more like a case involving a drug related gang or organized crime. No one tried to incinerate that body and hide the vehicle so that neither would ever be found.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/13/missing-kleinberg-man-found-dead

MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Sina Parsi's body was found about a kilometre away from his truck on Friday night. Looks like he walked into a wooded area with $400 cash in his wallet and his body was dumped most likely in a railway yard a kilometre away. Now THAT seems more like a case involving a drug related gang or organized crime. No one tried to incinerate that body and hide the vehicle so that neither would ever be found.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/13/missing-kleinberg-man-found-dead

MOO

http://spotcrime.com/on/toronto

 

[Sillybilly]

The 2013 Bosma case compared to the 2015 Parsi case (consisting simply of male, Vaughan, black Dodge truck, no other common denominators at this time) is not enough to attempt to establish a connection between the two cases. If something significant comes to light down the road through LE or MSM, we can consider it then.

For discussion of the Sina Parsi case, please go here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?282681-Ontario-Sina-Parsi-32-Toronto-9-June-2015

:tyou:

 

[Tamarind]

The 2013 Bosma case compared to the 2015 Parsi case (consisting simply of male, Vaughan, black Dodge truck, no other common denominators at this time) is not enough to attempt to establish a connection between the two cases. If something significant comes to light down the road through LE or MSM, we can consider it then.

For discussion of the Sina Parsi case, please go here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?282681-Ontario-Sina-Parsi-32-Toronto-9-June-2015

:tyou:

Thanks for the new S Parsi thread sillybilly.

This thread is Food for Thought so that's why the similarities, even though few at this time were posted here, as something to think about as there were a few similarities from what was in the MSM. HTH. Thanks again for the new missing person thread.

 

[Tamarind]

There is no connection between Smich, Millard and Bosma other than with Bosma's murder so why would Bosma want to buy something illegal while trying to sell his truck? I don't get it. Also Parsi's disappearance is strange but other than him being male, young and owning a Dodge Ram truck, I see no connection. JMO

In truth, without TB being here to say otherwise, we have no idea whether TB knew the people who last saw him (whoever they may be) or why or how he may have known them.. JMO MOO

 

[Arnie M]

In truth, without TB being here to say otherwise, we have no idea whether TB knew the people who last saw him (whoever they may be) or why or how he may have known them.. JMO MOO

Do you think Tim would have mentioned it to his wife if he knew them ?

 

[Juballee]

In my experience, husbands do not always tell their wife's every single thing, and vice versa.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I had read earlier that the carding system in the City of Toronto, as well as linking DM to the TB case, helped significantly in the CZ case http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...urce-of-intelligence-for-police-if-done-right and then I read that the PowerCase software system used by MCM was used in that CZ case and I realized the carding database is PowerCase.

The database contains more than 16,000 cases and more than 200,000 names of “persons of interest” to police. These aren’t necessarily those with a criminal record, Coughlan said.

“It could be a first offence, it could be someone an officer has canvassed in the neighbourhood, someone you’ve interviewed at the time of an occurrence,” he said.

http://www.itbusiness.ca/news/ontario-orders-police-to-overcome-resistance-to-it/2065

In other words, about 1.5% of Ontarians are in this database.

Afer the Paul Bernardo case, legislation was passed that forced all Ontario police forces to use the system, as of January 1, 2005 – though the OPP and TPS has been using it since 1999:

In response to Recommendation #22 of the Bernardo Judicial Inquiry, the Solicitor General for the Province of Ontario prescribed PowerCase as the single, provincial major case management software tool. PowerCase is a provincial database with four unique yet interrelated components focused on the early detection of serial predators, enhanced cooperation and communication amongst police services, integration and unification of the case management process, and the comprehensive and multifaceted analysis of the information contained therein.

The use of PowerCase was piloted from 1999 to August 2001 in three police services: Ontario Provincial Police, Toronto Police Service, and Peel Regional Police. In September of 2001, PowerCase was made available to all police services within the province for use within the prescribed investigative criterion, or threshold offences, on a voluntary basis. In February of 2002, Waterloo Regional Police Service (WRPS) Homicide Investigators quickly recognized and embraced the comprehensiveness and totality of the collective benefits of this powerful investigative tool while envisioning future applications. The WRPS Homicide Branch implemented strict protocols mandating the use of PowerCase at its full functionality in all homicide investigations.

https://www.questia.com/library/jou...rcase-as-electronic-evidence-in-the-courtroom

Fifteen years, later, the system has performed well:

Every document collected and every action made in an investigation can come under the microscope months after arrests have been made. Evidence managed in the PowerCase application has stood up to the closest scrutiny in high profile cases and has been commended by the Ontario court system.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/02/prweb210532.htm

The functionality of the system makes you wonder how lawyers for the defense, especially without the aid of a preliminary inquiry, could possible sort out disclosure as quickly and effectively as the PowerCase system does for LE.

Xanalys, which has used Ontario’s implementation as a key case study for its product, offers a module called Watson which brings analytics to the software’s collection and retrieval capabilities. In a demonstration, police officials showed how the PowerCase software takes information such as a witness statement and performs a “power index” that correlates data in the document to other items in the system. Potentially relevant data is hyperlinked and given a number, somewhat like a footnote, which can be explored through a series of icons. Police showed a training module that would allow officers to track phone numbers of one witness and match them with suspects involved in other cases.

http://www.itbusiness.ca/news/ontario-orders-police-to-overcome-resistance-to-it/2065

It is the detailed links that the software is able to make that makes it so powerful, as sometimes people fail to act on the obvious:

Schoolgirl killer Paul Bernardo was the same. A lot of people dismissed the uncanny similarity between a 1990 police composite sketch posted in their office of the Scarborough rapist — Bernardo — and the nice, young accountant trainee with whom they worked. As a joke, someone even scrawled “Paul” on the sketch.

http://fightfinancialcrimes.com/2014/01/29/major-crimes-management-article-in-ottawa-sun/

The challenge in battling crime is dealing with what’s called “big data”, information that is so voluminous, so varied, and generated so quickly/frequently that you can’t analyse it on a simple PC with ordinary tools like Excel or Access.

Much of what we do is electronically tracked these days:

According to one report, 96% of everything we do in life – personal or at work – generates data. That statement probably best sums up how big ‘big data’ is.

http://fightfinancialcrimes.com/201...estigation-analytics-big-data-and-smart-data/

In other words, when we go to a store or the doctor or work, we leave an electronic trail behind. When 96% of our actions leave data behind, you can see how a system can confirm LB’s death by noting the total absence of data generated by her since she passed.

It is possible to avoid being logged in PowerCase:

Naqvi refused to weigh in on two major reforms to carding that advocates have called for —requiring officers to inform citizens of their right to walk away and giving “receipts” for police stops.

“You are free to walk away if you choose to do so, under the Charter,” Naqvi said, adding increased training could be part of the reforms to ensure officers respect that right — but he said that’s for the consultations to explore.

http://news.nationalpost.com/toront...-this-is-not-a-practice-that-can-be-regulated

…but surely DM was in there, as was MS for his petty crimes. Busted!

 

[SnooperDuper]

As of Jan 1 2005 all Ontario police forces must use PowerCase in the following types of investigations:

(a) homicides within the meaning of subsection 222 (4) of the Criminal Code (Canada) and attempted homicides,

(b) sexual assaults, including sexual interference, and attempted sexual assaults, sexual exploitation and invitation to sexual touching,

(c) non-familial abductions and attempted non-familial abductions,

(d) missing person occurrences where circumstances indicate a strong possibility of foul play,

(e) occurrences, involving found human remains, that are suspected to be homicide,

(f) criminal harassment where the harasser is not known to the victim, and

(g) any other types of cases designated as a major case pursuant to the Ontario Major Case Management Manual;

http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/040354/v1

 

[Juballee]

I had read earlier that the carding system in the City of Toronto, as well as linking DM to the TB case, helped significantly in the CZ case http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...urce-of-intelligence-for-police-if-done-right and then I read that the PowerCase software system used by MCM was used in that CZ case and I realized the carding database is PowerCase.



http://www.itbusiness.ca/news/ontario-orders-police-to-overcome-resistance-to-it/2065

In other words, about 1.5% of Ontarians are in this database.

Afer the Paul Bernardo case, legislation was passed that forced all Ontario police forces to use the system, as of January 1, 2005 – though the OPP and TPS has been using it since 1999:



https://www.questia.com/library/jou...rcase-as-electronic-evidence-in-the-courtroom

Fifteen years, later, the system has performed well:



http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/02/prweb210532.htm

The functionality of the system makes you wonder how lawyers for the defense, especially without the aid of a preliminary inquiry, could possible sort out disclosure as quickly and effectively as the PowerCase system does for LE.



http://www.itbusiness.ca/news/ontario-orders-police-to-overcome-resistance-to-it/2065

It is the detailed links that the software is able to make that makes it so powerful, as sometimes people fail to act on the obvious:



http://fightfinancialcrimes.com/2014/01/29/major-crimes-management-article-in-ottawa-sun/

The challenge in battling crime is dealing with what’s called “big data”, information that is so voluminous, so varied, and generated so quickly/frequently that you can’t analyse it on a simple PC with ordinary tools like Excel or Access.

Much of what we do is electronically tracked these days:



http://fightfinancialcrimes.com/201...estigation-analytics-big-data-and-smart-data/

In other words, when we go to a store or the doctor or work, we leave an electronic trail behind. When 96% of our actions leave data behind, you can see how a system can confirm LB’s death by noting the total absence of data generated by her since she passed.

It is possible to avoid being logged in PowerCase:



http://news.nationalpost.com/toront...-this-is-not-a-practice-that-can-be-regulated

…but surely DM was in there, as was MS for his petty crimes. Busted!

Interesting, thanks. If this is true then it is a shame that the system didn't catch DM soon enough to stop him from killing TB. If everything has been put into this system since 1999, there will be a record of all the evidence supplied when LB went missing, and we will know for sure whether or not the phone records were given to LE and what steps LE took to find her, exactly. Did they notice her electronic radio silence at the time, did they look into the ipad? The answers should all be in that system if it as described.

And speaking of which, the system can confirm my death everytime I go to the cottage, if my data trail is that important. And I'm not really sure that it is a real score for powercase if the tattoo that they have on their database and the tattoo description that the business owner supplied don't match.

This isn't OJ pretending his hand is having a hard time fitting into a glove, this is a permenant tattoo and an accurate police database. If the database shows that the tattoo doesn't have a box around it, and DM's photos show that his tattoo doesn't have a box around it, we have to trust that is true and wonder why the business owner remembers it so distinctly having a box around it, in my opinion.

Say I'm a guy, you're a guy and we've been buddies for a couple of years, how well would you know my tattoos? Well enough to copy them all out precisely? As precisely as a police database's remembers them after just meeting you once?

Maybe the business owner just emphatically remembered the detail wrong, or maybe the photos we have seen are wrong? Maybe the police threw the detail about the box around the tattoo in as a red herring, misinformation meant to give the suspect confidence? Although that would mean that they either knew DM was their suspect and were watching him days earlier than they claim, or that they didn't really want the public's help locating the person with the tattoo. Personally, I doubt that they would do that because there was still hope that TB would be found alive right up until his truck was found, and surely LE would never hamper the prospect of finding him possibly alive, for days, just to give a suspect false confidence.

So back to the point about 96% of our actions leaving a data trail behind us; say you're the kind of person who has everything in life, more than one person needs, and you know it, but you have a bunch of friends who don't. Do you begrudge your friends the things that you have, and ditch them for friends who can keep up with you financially, or do you not mind sharing what you have plenty of with them? If you have plenty of work, you can get them jobs, if you have plenty of vehicles you don't mind loaning them out, if you have a few properties you might not mind sharing them, and if you have more than one phone, you probably don't mind lending that out either, if you're not a materialistic person and you know that there is only so much you can actually use at one time. That could give someone a very easy opening to take advantage of your kindness in ways you could never imagine, in my opinion.

How about this as the long awaited and often requested frame up scenario, "Can I borrow your truck for a while? Oh, it's got your keys to everything else in that keychain, no problem, you can trust me. Can I borrow your spare smart phone, too? I dropped mine again. Hey, do you have a sharpie you're not using? I might want to graffiti a bathroom stall later." I added that bathroom stall in for dramatic flair.

I'm not saying that this is what I believe happened, but this is nothing if not a good example of why if the tattoo doesn't fit, maybe they should acquit.

All my opinion (and/or imagination) only.

 

[Sillybilly]

... How about this as the long awaited and often requested frame up scenario, "Can I borrow your truck for a while? Oh, it's got your keys to everything else in that keychain, no problem, you can trust me. Can I borrow your spare smart phone, too? I dropped mine again. Hey, do you have a sharpie you're not using? I might want to graffiti a bathroom stall later." I added that bathroom stall in for dramatic flair.

I'm not saying that this is what I believe happened, but this is nothing if not a good example of why if the tattoo doesn't fit, maybe they should acquit.

All my opinion (and/or imagination) only.

<rsbm>

Yabut ... then we would have to include "Hey, can I also borrow your new incinerator, and oh .. your big Baja trailer, and oh yeah ... can I just park the trailer in your Mom's driveway until I get back from hanging out at your farm"

I think that little 'box' detail of the tatt is going to end up being pretty insignificant. Not to mention that the 'box' info could have been disinformation to set the perps on their heels a smidge but "off" just enough so they wouldn't really know LE was onto them.

 

[Juballee]

<rsbm>

Yabut ... then we would have to include "Hey, can I also borrow your new incinerator, and oh .. your big Baja trailer, and oh yeah ... can I just park the trailer in your Mom's driveway until I get back from hanging out at your farm"

I think that little 'box' detail of the tatt is going to end up being pretty insignificant. Not to mention that the 'box' info could have been disinformation to set the perps on their heels a smidge but "off" just enough so they wouldn't really know LE was onto them.

Having all the keys on one key chain covers everything actually, although to move the truck to DM's Mom's without DM knowing would require borrowing the keys again or keeping them for days. Or, once the crime was already committed using all DM's stuff, DM could have easily have been blackmailed into becoming an accessory after the fact, so that doesn't really rule it out, in my opinion.

And again, if the police used the box as disinformation, they couldn't have been very interested in actually identifying the suspects. That makes no sense and totally defeats the purpose. That would be like adding a fake moustache to a wanted poster, it doesn't help find the wanted and would only add to the confusion. Plus, it just creates more opportunities for the defence at trial. I really can't see any way that purposely altering the description would have been beneficial to LE, personally.

 

[matou]

So how does Noudga factor in then???? She would help to get herself charged when her boyfriend was charged with murder when she wouldn't need to if he didn't even do it??? Not feasible at all. JMO

 

[Arnie M]

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Juballee .... I have a question for you .... why are you so certain DM is not as guilty as it appears ... <modsnip>

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[Juballee]

So how does Noudga factor in then???? She would help to get herself charged when her boyfriend was charged with murder when she wouldn't need to if he didn't even do it??? Not feasible at all. JMO

Perhaps if we knew what she was actually charged with doing as an accessory, we could figure out the answer to that, but just because we don't know doesn't mean it's not feasible, in my opinion. It could have been something as simple as feeding him, after all.

 

[swedie]

Having all the keys on one key chain covers everything actually, although to move the truck to DM's Mom's without DM knowing would require borrowing the keys again or keeping them for days. Or, once the crime was already committed using all DM's stuff, DM could have easily have been blackmailed into becoming an accessory after the fact, so that doesn't really rule it out, in my opinion.

And again, if the police used the box as disinformation, they couldn't have been very interested in actually identifying the suspects. That makes no sense and totally defeats the purpose. That would be like adding a fake moustache to a wanted poster, it doesn't help find the wanted and would only add to the confusion. Plus, it just creates more opportunities for the defence at trial. I really can't see any way that purposely altering the description would have been beneficial to LE, personally.

I think you've missing the point of the tattoo information Juballee. The description was put out in the MSM to help bring in tips to find the perp of that tattoo. I doubt very much the tattoo carries much weight as far as evidence goes and hardly a case of if the tattoo don't fit, you must acquit. I have no doubt the solid evidence will be overwhelming but that's just my opinion.