Related Issues and Food for Thought

[SnooperDuper]

I personally think it's more thoughtful to give a stray puppy from Mexico a home and save it from a life of starvation, torture and early death, than to adopt a well-fed puppy in Toronto. Even if he didn't get the rabies certificate before he left. I also thought it was nice when the Olympians were bringing the stray dogs from Russia for adoption in the U.S. Maybe it's my habit of seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty.

JMO

So if DM had imported rabies (a highly contagious disease for which there is no sure cure) into the US and Canada that's a thoughtful act? Rabies can kill. How short-sighted and self-centred of DM to bring that puppy into the country without the proper shots and paperwork.

Personally, when the Commonwealth Games were in India a few years back I could not understand why athletes were not bringing home stray citizens that face a life of starvation, torture and early death.

I guess WM isn't alone in "believ[ing] animal welfare was a humanitarian effort" http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472#sthash.S9mo04hD.dpuf

Some people like animals better than people (in part because they can't get along with people).

Would not be surprised if DM showed up in a "Save the seals, kill people" tee shirt at trial.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Was thinking about DM's tattoo again I AM HEAVEN SENT / DON'T YOU DARE FORGET and wondered what the Bible had to say on the topic:

The most meaningful excerpt seemed to be John 6:38:

"I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of the one who sent me."

DM, here to do God's will? Or wolf in sheep's clothing?

 

[matou]

Did DM and his friend get the tattoos before or after they had to pull out of the Baja races?

 

[Kamille]

There are plenty of animals for adoption in Toronto. DM smuggled a puppy across two borders for the lulz. What else did he bring across the borders, I wonder? JMO

Exactly the point. It's not that he decided to "adopt" a puppy from Mexico to give it a better life. It's that he decided to smuggle a stray puppy of unknown age, health and origin without declaring it at two borders that is in question. This isn't like smuggling an extra bottle of alcohol or a carton of cigarettes IMO, certain restrictions like live animals, plants etc can be a health risk to others. It's just blatant disregard for the law and trying risky and illegal behaviours to try to get away with it.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Exactly the point. It's not that he decided to "adopt" a puppy from Mexico to give it a better life. It's that he decided to smuggle a stray puppy of unknown age, health and origin without declaring it at two borders that is in question. This isn't like smuggling an extra bottle of alcohol or a carton of cigarettes IMO, certain restrictions like live animals, plants etc can be a health risk to others. It's just blatant disregard for the law and trying risky and illegal behaviours to try to get away with it.

MOO

Well there is a 100% chance that a street dog is loaded with worms, and then you have the dog in the truck in close quarters and people putting their hands where the dog has sat and you can get worm eggs transferred from hand to mouth and become infected with worms yourself.

So personally I think that's gross. You think that he'd take the dog to get dewormed and vaccinated so that all the humans stayed healthy, and his other pets at home could be safe too.

But I suppose if you want to drive a wormy dog from Mexico to Canada and risk being infected...no one is going to stop you. You are responsible for using your own common sense.

 

[Juballee]

I personally hate to see anyone to try to discount and disregard an act of kindness, we should encourage more kindness and not criticize it my opinion.

Isn't his uncle a vet? I imagine if my uncle were a vet and I couldn't stand the heartbreak of abandoning a poor dog that would likely never get help otherwise, I would make a visit to him one of my first stops.

Alcohol and tobacco smuggling are actually serious crimes, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every day than DM was accused of.

 

[swedie]

Does anyone know for a fact if Pedo was a stray? The dog very well could have belonged to someone and DM felt he had some sort of entitled to help himself taking the pup. A few years ago when I vacationed in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, there were many dogs who were not leashed. Didn't mean they didn't have homes/owners. A chef who worked at the motel we stayed at had a Jack Russell terrier who walked with his owner to work. Sometimes he would command his dog to go home. If the owner did not command his dog to go home, the dog would either wait in the lobby or outside the main doors of the motel, waiting for his owner. The dog's owner would bring the dog water and scrap food for his dog.

Wonder who provided the information Pedo was a Mexican street dog? IMO I get the notion DM felt he had some sort of entitled to help himself to whatever he wanted including the dog.

 

[Sillybilly]

I personally hate to see anyone to try to discount and disregard an act of kindness, we should encourage more kindness and not criticize it my opinion.

Isn't his uncle a vet? I imagine if my uncle were a vet and I couldn't stand the heartbreak of abandoning a poor dog that would likely never get help otherwise, I would make a visit to him one of my first stops.

Alcohol and tobacco smuggling are actually serious crimes, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every day than DM was accused of.

But we don't know whether smuggling the dog was simply an act of kindness, or if DM just thought it was a cute critter to bring back to the girlfriend, or ?? If it was an animal in any kind of distress, all he had to do was try to find its owner or take it to a shelter or veterinarian. Regardless of his reasons, it appears DM broke the rules to do as he pleased to bring what he wanted to bring into the country illegally.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I personally hate to see anyone to try to discount and disregard an act of kindness, we should encourage more kindness and not criticize it my opinion.

Isn't his uncle a vet? I imagine if my uncle were a vet and I couldn't stand the heartbreak of abandoning a poor dog that would likely never get help otherwise, I would make a visit to him one of my first stops.

Well it's just a hygiene thing, and why street rescues are best left to the professionals, who can capture, treat and then adopt out health-checked dogs to the urban types.

I wouldn't ride from Mexico with a street dog unless I had it checked and treated for fleas, demodectic mange mites and roundworm, because these things are catchy to humans.

Even domestic dogs carry roundworm as puppies...surely if uncle was a vet DM would know puppies are naturally wormy and invariably require deworming. I hope DM washed his hands lot.

Alcohol and tobacco smuggling are actually serious crimes, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every day than DM was accused of.

DM only had 10 months of killing under his belt. If he kept killing at a rate of one murder per 5 months, as he had been, he would have killed another 5 people between TB's murder and now.

I think 8 deaths from DM in 3 years would be higher than the death rate due to alcohol and tobacco in DM's social circle for the same period. IMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lifecycle of Roundworm, or why you don't want to be trapped in a vehicle with an infected animal for 4,000 km

http://www.ah.ca.novartis.com/companion/dog/roundworm.shtml

 

[swedie]

Well it's just a hygiene thing, and why street rescues are best left to the professionals, who can capture, treat and then adopt out health-checked dogs to the urban types.

I wouldn't ride from Mexico with a street dog unless I had it checked and treated for fleas, demodectic mange mites and roundworm, because these things are catchy to humans.

Even domestic dogs carry roundworm as puppies...surely if uncle was a vet DM would know puppies are naturally wormy and invariably require deworming. I hope DM washed his hands lot.



DM only had 10 months of killing under his belt. If he kept killing at a rate of one murder per 5 months, as he had been, he would have killed another 5 people between TB's murder and now.

I think 8 deaths from DM in 3 years would be higher than the death rate due to alcohol and tobacco in DM's social circle for the same period. IMO.

BBM - Perhaps DM has a horribly bad case of worms, the reason for him looking emaciated.

Many symptoms including weight loss. Hmm. MOO.

http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/roundworms

 

[Alethea Dice]

How many homeless dogs are there in Mexico? Lots.

http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/street-dogs-mexico-1543.html

What happens to them?

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/4/city-of-dogs.html

Although roundworms can be passed on to humans, it's rare. Wash your hands and don't play where they poop. You can also get roundworms from uncooked and uncleaned vegetables, mosquitos, not cooking or freezing meat properly.

http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/roundworms

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/worms-in-dogs

Although sarcoptic mange can be passed to humans, humans cannot get demodectic mange from dogs.

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/mange-dogs-canine-scabies?page=2

And even though fleas can bite and infest your house, they are not contagious to humans.

http://www.vetinfo.com/cat-dog-flea-faq.html#b

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think 8 deaths from DM in 3 years would be higher than the death rate due to alcohol and tobacco in DM's social circle for the same period. IMO.

Why would you only include DM's social circle in a comparison of the death rate from alcohol and tobacco? TB wasn't in his social circle either.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

Wayne Millard seemed to envision a more stable life for Dellen than the one he had led. Somewhat of a rebel — hired as an Air Canada pilot at age 25, he was fired for wearing his hair too long in 1973 but ordered reinstated by an arbitration board — Wayne never really found his niche and settled down. While he gave occasional training sessions at Millardair, where he was listed as vice-president, company pilots said he was more interested in protesting the seal hunt and campaigning for animal rights. He learned to fly helicopters so he could ferry activists and equipment to hard-to-reach locations.


Wayne eventually left Air Canada and set up Canadian Wildlife Film Productions, which hired Dellen’s mother, Madeleine Burns, a former Air Canada flight attendant.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rged-in-slaying-of-tim-bosma/article11916460/

Wayne died in late 2012, according to his obituary published in The Toronto Star. Dellen Millard wrote the obituary, remembering him as a humanitarian who “supported, organized, and helped fund many missions on behalf of animal welfare ... He was a good man in a careless world. He was my father.” Dellen became the CEO of Millardair following his father’s death.

without pasted text, see: Madeleine and Wayne
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=vaQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2075,553046&hl=de

Who has parents like DM seems to be somehow predestined to save abandoned baby strays.

Who has parents like DM seems also to be somehow predestined to operate flying for more personal reasons and to found a Film Production Company not for animals but for girls and also in general predestined "not to find his niche" early in life.

 

[Arnie M]

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Looks like the new house owner is a friend of a friend ... with really pretty sinks.

Make note of the name and address here .... http://usedfirearms.ca/author/xtreme9775/

Then read this .... http://www.moneysense.ca/property/r...-sink-for-your-bathroom-think-petrified-wood/

A bit more here .... http://prehistoricstoneworks.com/

(ps: never mind the first link being a gun site , it means nothing , he is a hunter)


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[Deleted member 102539]

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Looks like the new house owner is a friend of a friend ... with really pretty sinks.

Make note of the name and address here .... http://usedfirearms.ca/author/xtreme9775/

Then read this .... http://www.moneysense.ca/property/r...-sink-for-your-bathroom-think-petrified-wood/

A bit more here .... http://prehistoricstoneworks.com/

(ps: never mind the first link being a gun site , it means nothing , he is a hunter)


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Very interesting, thank you!

The friend of a friend is CEO and has experience only on Prehistoric Stoneworks - no other experience? (LinkedIn)

 

[Arnie M]

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He is a custom home builder , it is in the article.

 

[SnooperDuper]

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Looks like the new house owner is a friend of a friend ... with really pretty sinks.

Make note of the name and address here .... http://usedfirearms.ca/author/xtreme9775/

Then read this .... http://www.moneysense.ca/property/r...-sink-for-your-bathroom-think-petrified-wood/

A bit more here .... http://prehistoricstoneworks.com/

(ps: never mind the first link being a gun site , it means nothing , he is a hunter)


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DM's lawyer's business partner bought 5 Maple Gate Crt???? Oh come on, is that hinky or what!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Why would you only include DM's social circle in a comparison of the death rate from alcohol and tobacco? TB wasn't in his social circle either.

lol grasping at straws..."DM's not that bad, he kills fewer people than alcohol and tobacco combined..." seriously?

We better let Bernardo, Williams and Milllard out of custody now!!!

 

[matou]

Killing three people in 10 months is crazy. So happy this guy can't kill anyone anymore. JMO