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[Kamille]

Which makes it even more strange that he sent his lawyer(s) to talk to Millard.

There is nothing other than DP's accusation to support this claim. According to Dirk Derstine, Dellen Millard requested the meeting. I don't suppose DP has or will get anywhere with his blustering about filing a formal complaint against SG or DD or the Derstine firm. That law firm is above board and well respected. Deepak Paradkar with no office, claims to be living and practicing in both Thornhill and Mississauga on the Internet, lawyer to the gangstas, no known staff to speak of? Not so much.

Perhaps that's the reason DP was never actually retained as counsel. DM saw the writing on the wall with this guy and realized that the main thing that concerns DP is....well...DP.

MOO


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3240784-millard-hall-lawyers-locked-in-ethics-dispute/

 

[SnooperDuper]

There is nothing other than DP's accusation to support this claim. According to Dirk Derstine, Dellen Millard requested the meeting. I don't suppose DP has or will get anywhere with his blustering about filing a formal complaint against SG or DD or the Derstine firm. That law firm is above board and well respected. Deepak Paradkar with no office, claims to be living and practicing in both Thornhill and Mississauga on the Internet, lawyer to the gangstas, no known staff to speak of? Not so much.

Perhaps that's the reason DP was never actually retained as counsel. DM saw the writing on the wall with this guy and realized that the main thing that concerns DP is....well...DP.

MOO


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3240784-millard-hall-lawyers-locked-in-ethics-dispute/

DP may not have wanted the case anymore once the direct indictment came through:

The Spectator has learned Paradkar is not currently retained by Millard, a possible serial killer facing charges in three separate murders.

"I am not on the record yet in Superior Court," Paradkar says, "but it's in the works right now."

While he was on the record for Millard when the matter was in the jurisdiction of the Ontario Court of Justice, once the case was committed to trial, it became a Superior Court matter. That means Paradkar must once again officially be retained by his client. That has not yet happened, even though it has been 10 weeks since it was announced that the attorney general had ordered a direct indictment, sending the case straight to trial without a preliminary hearing.

Paradkar says money is not an issue for Millard, who is the heir to his murdered father's aviation dynasty, and he expects to be on the record by the beginning of November.

"It has nothing to do with finances," says Paradkar. "It's really because of the direct indictment."

ETA the link! http://www.ourwindsor.ca/news-story/4869422-bosma-murder-trial-expected-for-fall-2015/

 

[Alethea Dice]

lol grasping at straws..."DM's not that bad, he kills fewer people than alcohol and tobacco combined..." seriously?

We better let Bernardo, Williams and Milllard out of custody now!!!

Wow! Who said that? Could you please provide a link for that quote? TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

Interestingly enough RP's name has not been associated with DM case in over two years but now all of a sudden (June 2015) we're hearing this...and from DP himself. Has anyone found otherwise? Do we trust what DP has to say? I don't think he's been too honest on many things to do with this case from the get go kwim? I for one am not putting to much faith into what DP says. Wouldn't one think, on such a high profile case, any lawyer associated would want some press release? DP had his fair share with speaking to the media and handing out his business cards on the courthouse steps. MOO.

<modsnip>RP has been commonly known as part of DM's legal team for at least a year now.

http://www.chch.com/bosma-case-going-straight-trial/

HTH

 

[Alethea Dice]

There is nothing other than DP's accusation to support this claim. According to Dirk Derstine, Dellen Millard requested the meeting. I don't suppose DP has or will get anywhere with his blustering about filing a formal complaint against SG or DD or the Derstine firm. That law firm is above board and well respected. Deepak Paradkar with no office, claims to be living and practicing in both Thornhill and Mississauga on the Internet, lawyer to the gangstas, no known staff to speak of? Not so much.

Perhaps that's the reason DP was never actually retained as counsel. DM saw the writing on the wall with this guy and realized that the main thing that concerns DP is....well...DP.

MOO


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3240784-millard-hall-lawyers-locked-in-ethics-dispute/

There is nothing to support DD's claim either. FWIW...

Derstine told the Mississauga News his firm tried to contact Paradkar "but as he does not have an office, this was made more difficult."

It should be noted that since Millard's arrest, The Spectator has contacted Paradkar many times and had no difficulty reaching him.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3240784-millard-hall-lawyers-locked-in-ethics-dispute/

 

[Alethea Dice]

DP may not have wanted the case anymore once the direct indictment came through:



ETA the link! http://www.ourwindsor.ca/news-story/4869422-bosma-murder-trial-expected-for-fall-2015/

Interesting. I wonder why he continued, unsigned, to act on his behalf then for at least another 8 months, up to the time of the closed door hearing.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/judge-in-tim-bosma-murder-trial-clears-court-of-all-spectators-before-holding-private-session-with-lawyers

I think it's much more likely that it had something to do with what that in camera hearing was about.

JMO

 

[Kamille]

There is nothing to support DD's claim either. FWIW...



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3240784-millard-hall-lawyers-locked-in-ethics-dispute/

I'd have to say that Dirk Derstine isn't going to make a claim like this...

Dirk Derstine, who heads the firm along with Jennifer Penman, said that Millard requested a meeting with the firm, something Paradkar said client has denied.

"All of our communication with Mr. Millard was proper, above board and above reproach," Derstine said. "We tried to contact Mr. Paradkar about this matter but as he does not have an office this was made more difficult."

http://www.mississauga.com/news-sto...firm-visits-man-accused-of-killing-tim-bosma/

without the ability to back it up. I don't think he's worried about DP filing any complaints about himself or his colleague in this matter. And FWIW, DP didn't decide to get an "office" until after this media exchange. Nor did he have a phone number listed on the internet that I know of, although I'm sure he was handing out business cards to every media outlet on his first day on the courthouse steps giving interviews. He also created this website for his new office. It speaks for itself IMO as to how "professional" this attorney is.

http://peeldefencelawyer.ca/

From the site: "As a high-profile and media savvy lawyer, Mr. Paradkar has appeared on ABC World News with Peter Jennings, CNN, CBC, CTV, Global TV and City TV. He is an avid reader who has studied many U.S. lawyers and cases which has further enabled him to deal with the intense media attention around some of his recent cases."

So since he is still using a 416 area code phone number at his 905 address, I'm assuming he is using a cell phone? And if any media organization is calling him on it, I'm sure it's a top priority to answer that call. Another professional law firm calling to discuss his client requesting a meeting with them? Not so much.

MOO

 

[swedie]

<modsnip> RP has been commonly known as part of DM's legal team for at least a year now.

http://www.chch.com/bosma-case-going-straight-trial/

HTH

Over a year now RP has been working in the background because DP's hadn't been retain by DM since the AG ruled on the DI, which BTW was decided last July and coincidentally when RP's name came out of the woodwork. And at the time of this article, DP nor RP had been retained by DM. Has DM retained him yet or does DM still have his feelers out there searching for Mr. RightLawyer? MOO.

Documents from Monday also confirm that Deepak Paradkar and Ravin Pillay, the Toronto defence team that has been representing Millard, have not yet been retained. Glithero expects to be &#8220;advised of progress in completing (the) retainer of Mr. Paradkar and Pillay&#8221; on April 30, the documents say.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/02/25/bosma-trial-delayed-to-early-2016.html

 

[Arnie M]

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Back then (2013) DP came on the scene like a top notch high priced Lawyer who would be representing DM .... no problem .... but what stood out for me was shortly after that he could not be reached because he was in France (or Europe) with his daughter for some swim competitions .... nothing wrong with that either , his daughter had been advancing well in her swimming "career"

But I could not help but think DM and MB would maybe see it as though their money was being used to fuel a high flying lifestyle rather than getting down to the nuts and bolts of DM's defense.

Just some thoughts I had at the time , means nothing beyond that , but I would be ticked if I was in DM's shoes.

On the other hand DP does seem to be a very decent man with plenty of AMBITION http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

Interesting. I wonder why he continued, unsigned, to act on his behalf then for at least another 8 months, up to the time of the closed door hearing.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/judge-in-tim-bosma-murder-trial-clears-court-of-all-spectators-before-holding-private-session-with-lawyers

I think it's much more likely that it had something to do with what that in camera hearing was about.

JMO

Here's an interesting article for you called "When the Lawyer Knows the Client is Guilty: Legal Ethics, and Popular Culture"

Perjury: The problem of what the lawyer should do when the client insists on committing perjury in direct testimony rarely comes up in practice because criminal defense lawyers take care not to elicit a client&#8217;s confession, so they don&#8217;t know for sure the client will be lying.

Withdrawal from representation does not solve the problem. The Canadian rule, for example, states that &#8220;if the client persists in such a course, the lawyer should ... withdraw or seek leave of the court to do so.&#8221; [Ch IX, comm. 11; Ch. XII comm. 4 treats this situation as obligatory withdrawal] If the lawyer is a public defender or other appointed counsel, as is true in the vast majority of cases, he or she will probably not be allowed to withdraw. A judge may refuse to allow withdrawal during the trial. Even if the lawyer withdraws, the client will now be wised up and will lie to the new lawyer, so little is accomplished except for salving the conscience of the withdrawing lawyer. Alternatively, the client can delay matters indefinitely by forcing sequential withdrawals of lawyer after lawyer.

http://www.lsuc.on.ca/media/sith_colloquium_asimow_michael.pdf

You're right DP can't just drop it like it's hot, there would have to be an in-camera session to allow him to get the heck out.

Thus the delay...DP just can't walk away from a case that has been in progress for 2 years: he needs the judge's approval, because delays will ensue.

ETA: perhaps DP was urging DM to plead, and only RP was willing to take the case to trial (as he obviously sees no shame in losing a case, based on his track record, if justice is upheld.)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Wow! Who said that? Could you please provide a link for that quote? TIA

Alcohol and tobacco smuggling are actually serious crimes, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every day than DM was accused of.

I paraphrased

 

[SnooperDuper]

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Back then (2013) DP came on the scene like a top notch high priced Lawyer who would be representing DM .... no problem .... but what stood out for me was shortly after that he could not be reached because he was in France (or Europe) with his daughter for some swim competitions .... nothing wrong with that either , his daughter had been advancing well in her swimming "career"

But I could not help but think DM and MB would maybe see it as though their money was being used to fuel a high flying lifestyle rather than getting down to the nuts and bolts of DM's defense.

Just some thoughts I had at the time , means nothing beyond that , but I would be ticked if I was in DM's shoes.

On the other hand DP does seem to be a very decent man with plenty of AMBITION http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

When we first did meet DP in the press, we were introduced to his Hummer, Maserati, Lamborghini and multi-million-dollar French chateau-style mansion with indoor pool and elegant French furniture and mouldings. (Does he have a grotto with Indonesian petrified stone sinks too?)

The Star wrote, "He’s successfully defended a host of high-profile figures with long-shot legal odds" http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

Certainly DM is a high-profile figure with long-shot legal odds...why did DM decide to retain the habitual loser of trials over the winning DP? Something makes me think it wasn't DM's choice, and careful selection of cases has gone a long way to bolstering DP's track record.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I paraphrased

Too funny. So you not only paraphrased, you completely changed it and took it out of context, and then put it in "quotes".

The real comment was in response to the thought that smuggling a puppy was far worse than smuggling alcohol or tobacco because of the health risk to others.

So this...

This isn't like smuggling an extra bottle of alcohol or a carton of cigarettes IMO, certain restrictions like live animals, plants etc can be a health risk to others.

Led to this...

Alcohol and tobacco smuggling are actually serious crimes, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every day than DM was accused of.

Which then somehow morphed into this...

lol grasping at straws..."DM's not that bad, he kills fewer people than alcohol and tobacco combined..." seriously?

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Here's an interesting article for you called "When the Lawyer Knows the Client is Guilty: Legal Ethics, and Popular Culture"



http://www.lsuc.on.ca/media/sith_colloquium_asimow_michael.pdf

You're right DP can't just drop it like it's hot, there would have to be an in-camera session to allow him to get the heck out.

Thus the delay...DP just can't walk away from a case that has been in progress for 2 years: he needs the judge's approval, because delays will ensue.

ETA: perhaps DP was urging DM to plead, and only RP was willing to take the case to trial (as he obviously sees no shame in losing a case, based on his track record, if justice is upheld.)

I'm not sure what perjury would have to do with it unless DM planned to take the stand, which is pretty rare in a first degree murder trial. I also don't believe that DP is a public defender or appointed counsel. I believe he is a private lawyer. Regardless, I would still have to wonder why he waited 8 months to ask the judge to hold an in camera hearing to decide whether to let him go or not. Also, since RP was on his team from the beginning, it isn't like DM would have been left to find another lawyer who would need to start over from the beginning.

JMO

 

[Arnie M]

When we first did meet DP in the press, we were introduced to his Hummer, Maserati, Lamborghini and multi-million-dollar French chateau-style mansion with indoor pool and elegant French furniture and mouldings. (Does he have a grotto with Indonesian petrified stone sinks too?)

The Star wrote, "He’s successfully defended a host of high-profile figures with long-shot legal odds" http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

Certainly DM is a high-profile figure with long-shot legal odds...why did DM decide to retain the habitual loser of trials over the winning DP? Something makes me think it wasn't DM's choice, and careful selection of cases has gone a long way to bolstering DP's track record.

I am thinking along those same lines ..... partly based on some of his quotes from the article ....

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... says he is now focused on clearing Millard of responsibility the high-profile murder case.
“I never take a case without thinking I can win it,” the 50-year-old lawyer says.
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Paradkar’s calculated strategy in the Millard case includes building a “war room” to mobilize for the trial, including another lawyer, a collection of expert investigators and witnesses and a handful of law students.
“I like trial work more than plea-bargaining people,” he says.
..................................

 

[Alethea Dice]

I'd have to say that Dirk Derstine isn't going to make a claim like this...



http://www.mississauga.com/news-sto...firm-visits-man-accused-of-killing-tim-bosma/

without the ability to back it up. I don't think he's worried about DP filing any complaints about himself or his colleague in this matter. And FWIW, DP didn't decide to get an "office" until after this media exchange. Nor did he have a phone number listed on the internet that I know of, although I'm sure he was handing out business cards to every media outlet on his first day on the courthouse steps giving interviews. He also created this website for his new office. It speaks for itself IMO as to how "professional" this attorney is.

http://peeldefencelawyer.ca/

From the site: "As a high-profile and media savvy lawyer, Mr. Paradkar has appeared on ABC World News with Peter Jennings, CNN, CBC, CTV, Global TV and City TV. He is an avid reader who has studied many U.S. lawyers and cases which has further enabled him to deal with the intense media attention around some of his recent cases."

So since he is still using a 416 area code phone number at his 905 address, I'm assuming he is using a cell phone? And if any media organization is calling him on it, I'm sure it's a top priority to answer that call. Another professional law firm calling to discuss his client requesting a meeting with them? Not so much.

MOO

IMO, you can't call one lawyer a liar and another a saint unless you know them both personally. No one else has had a problem contacting DP, so I can't imagine why that would be a problem for DD. DP did have a phone number online on various lawyer directories and I'm sure he was also in the phone book. If I were looking for a lawyer, I wouldn't be making my choice based on whether he had a website or whether he had a large commercial office or a small home office. And I wouldn't choose a lawyer that didn't have a cell phone contact number. (DP has two different phone numbers on his website fwiw.) I'm also not sure why it would be a problem to have a lawyer who is experienced dealing with intense media attention if your case happens to be one that does have that intense media attention.

I'm not saying DP would be my first choice, but I honestly can't say that DD would be either. I just don't think it is necessary to put down one lawyer without any personal experience of him, in order to more highly elevate another one.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Over a year now RP has been working in the background because DP's hadn't been retain by DM since the AG ruled on the DI, which BTW was decided last July and coincidentally when RP's name came out of the woodwork. And at the time of this article, DP nor RP had been retained by DM. Has DM retained him yet or does DM still have his feelers out there searching for Mr. RightLawyer? MOO.

Instead Ravin Pillay, who has been part of Millard's defence team, although not its frontman, will represent him when the case goes to trial next January.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5688757-tim-bosma-accused-killer-dellen-millard-gets-a-new-lawyer/

 

[Alethea Dice]

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Back then (2013) DP came on the scene like a top notch high priced Lawyer who would be representing DM .... no problem .... but what stood out for me was shortly after that he could not be reached because he was in France (or Europe) with his daughter for some swim competitions .... nothing wrong with that either , his daughter had been advancing well in her swimming "career"

But I could not help but think DM and MB would maybe see it as though their money was being used to fuel a high flying lifestyle rather than getting down to the nuts and bolts of DM's defense.

Just some thoughts I had at the time , means nothing beyond that , but I would be ticked if I was in DM's shoes.

On the other hand DP does seem to be a very decent man with plenty of AMBITION http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

I believe he had plans to go to Australia with his daughter when she was doing her 2016 Olympics training there in early 2014. Although I might not be happy about it either, I can't imagine a lawyer who never takes a vacation. I would also think, at that time, they were quite likely still waiting for all the disclosure and RP would have been on hand during his absence to keep him informed of anything that came up during the monthly update appearances and to continue their ongoing involvement.

JMO

 

[matou]

Does the trailer DM took across two borders to Mexico have venting? Just wondering because that puppy looked like he was in there (in the Jeep that was in the trailer) and then DM went in there to take him out after they got into the US. It would have been pretty hot in there. Poor pup. JMO

 

[Kamille]

IMO, you can't call one lawyer a liar and another a saint unless you know them both personally. No one else has had a problem contacting DP, so I can't imagine why that would be a problem for DD. DP did have a phone number online on various lawyer directories and I'm sure he was also in the phone book. If I were looking for a lawyer, I wouldn't be making my choice based on whether he had a website or whether he had a large commercial office or a small home office. And I wouldn't choose a lawyer that didn't have a cell phone contact number. (DP has two different phone numbers on his website fwiw.) I'm also not sure why it would be a problem to have a lawyer who is experienced dealing with intense media attention if your case happens to be one that does have that intense media attention.

I'm not saying DP would be my first choice, but I honestly can't say that DD would be either. I just don't think it is necessary to put down one lawyer without any personal experience of him, in order to more highly elevate another one.

JMO

I don't believe I called DP a "liar". I stated that DD's version of events was different and that he was pretty adamant about his position. DP called DD a liar basically. And claimed he was filing a complaint against him. If anyone lied in all this it was likely DM IMO but unless DP files that complaint, which I doubt he has or will, I guess we'll never know.

The rest was in regards to how easy it was for the media to contact DP but not DD or a representative from his firm. How do you know no one else has a problem getting in touch with DP? It was just one media outlet who said they didn't.

I also didn't "put down" DP. I posted some facts about his "business", his desire to cater to the media and his unprofessional website full of errors including the typo of the name of the street the office is supposedly on. I was, however, mistaken about the phone numbers not being available online at the time of the incident. He still has the same 2 numbers that he used at both of his home addresses in Thornhill and has now put them on his new "Peel Defence Lawyer" website. Even though one is likely a cell phone and the other is a fax machine, likely in his Thornhill home. I guess he has no staff to answer his phone since it's probably always on his person. Maybe he was using the restroom when DD or his representative called?

Anyway, if those facts about DP's business practices paint him in a negative light, so be it. Personally I think the best decision DM has made thus far in this case was not to retain DP. IF it was his decision at all.

MOO