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There have been other high-profile trials complete with crummy defense lawyers and crummier defendants. Arias is not the first criminal to be hated and despised. I don't believe that there are any real threats. Even if there are, closing the courtroom doors is not an adequate remedy. It's simply a matter of weeks/months before the names/testimonies are released to the public. Who will protect them then? Nurmi will now suggest that their names be sealed for the next 50 years or that they be provided with round-the-clock bodyguards. Diddums! (Thanks again, Gerard!).
@monicalindstrom: The attorneys come back this afternoon to discuss what our fate will be in #Jodiarias regardless, we should get to at least HEAR testimony
I was reflecting back on other death penalty cases I have seen over the years and I couldn't come up with one that took over 6 years to be finalized. Maybe 3 or 4 years but never 6 years that I can recall.
That is a travesty within itself and it is one of the main reasons this has cost the taxpayers of Az so much money. I have mentioned it before but I will say it again if the time is added up... including all the secret meetings, closed hearings, sealed sidebars in the 100s, and now secret witnesses... it would account for where the most money has been spent and wasted.
Why they gave this case to JSS as her first death penalty case really stumps me. The courts knew this was an extremely high profile case yet they assign a Judge that has never been a presiding judge over one? Why in the world would they do that? And it didn't take long to realize she was going to do a lot of this in complete secrecy. How could her superiors just sit there and not tell her it was eventually going to backfire? Imo, she is the number one reason why this case has been so long and drawn out.
I bet this case will be a record when it comes to sealed documents and even a record for the amount of in-chamber meetings held and don't even get me started on the 100s of sealed sidebars.
I am very lucky to have a hubby that respects my great interest in the justice system and while he doesn't have as great of an interest as I do he does ask me every afternoon about the particular case I am interested in at the moment. And we have long discussions about the case or discussions about the justice system in general.
Yesterday he had already heard that the appellate court had sent a strong message to JSS to find away to open her courtroom up to those who have a right to be there. He was elated. Imo, what he said is true when he said>>>> 'Anytime anything is shrouded in such secrecy and behind closed doors it gives the appearance that shady things are going on and causes great distrust.
I really wish the media had gone to the Appellate Court much earlier in the trial when every sidebar and hearing was being sealed tighter than a tomb time after time. It didn't just start happening with the secretive witnesses ............it has happened throughout this case and even defense attorneys don't understand why.
Imo, because JSS is a novice when presiding over a DP case KN took full advantage of that and has convinced JSS that everything must be done in the dark and clouded in secrecy. And once his reasons came to light yesterday it showed just how illogical those rulings are. So it makes me think the logic she has applied throughout this case has been flawed and tainted by the DT.
IMO
I was reflecting back on other death penalty cases I have seen over the years and I couldn't come up with one that took over 6 years to be finalized. Maybe 3 or 4 years but never 6 years that I can recall.
That is a travesty within itself and it is one of the main reasons this has cost the taxpayers of Az so much money. I have mentioned it before but I will say it again if the time is added up... including all the secret meetings, closed hearings, sealed sidebars in the 100s, and now secret witnesses... it would account for where the most money has been spent and wasted.
Why they gave this case to JSS as her first death penalty case really stumps me. The courts knew this was an extremely high profile case yet they assign a Judge that has never been a presiding judge over one? Why in the world would they do that? And it didn't take long to realize she was going to do a lot of this in complete secrecy. How could her superiors just sit there and not tell her it was eventually going to backfire? Imo, she is the number one reason why this case has been so long and drawn out.
I bet this case will be a record when it comes to sealed documents and even a record for the amount of in-chamber meetings held and don't even get me started on the 100s of sealed sidebars.
I am very lucky to have a hubby that respects my great interest in the justice system and while he doesn't have as great of an interest as I do he does ask me every afternoon about the particular case I am interested in at the moment. And we have long discussions about the case or discussions about the justice system in general.
Yesterday he had already heard that the appellate court had sent a strong message to JSS to find away to open her courtroom up to those who have a right to be there. He was elated. Imo, what he said is true when he said>>>> 'Anytime anything is shrouded in such secrecy and behind closed doors it gives the appearance that shady things are going on and causes great distrust.
I really wish the media had gone to the Appellate Court much earlier in the trial when every sidebar and hearing was being sealed tighter than a tomb time after time. It didn't just start happening with the secretive witnesses ............it has happened throughout this case and even defense attorneys don't understand why.
Imo, because JSS is a novice when presiding over a DP case KN took full advantage of that and has convinced JSS that everything must be done in the dark and clouded in secrecy. And once his reasons came to light yesterday it showed just how illogical those rulings are. So it makes me think the logic she has applied throughout this case has been flawed and tainted by the DT.
IMO
I'm just reposting this information from last year. These cases are very different from the Arias case I know.
1. A Mesa woman was sentenced to three years probation after reaching a plea agreement in the stabbing of her husband over a Cosmopolitan magazine quiz. Judge Sherry Stephens sentenced Noelle Clough to probation with domestic violence terms and 90 days deferred jail on Thursday."
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...im_she_did.php
http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/Ra...186357122.html
2. " Judge Stephens gave Linsk (A man who ran over/killed a neurosurgeon and drove away) 90 days in jail.
“While I believe you may not have known that you hit a human being, when you stopped your vehicle I believe any reasonable human being would have believed there was a good chance that they hit something and would have returned to the scene,” she said.
One week later, Stephens cut Linsk’s sentence in half, time he is now spending in the infirmary on his doctor’s recommendation."
You can read the entire article here:
http://archive.azcentral.com/insider...rime-or-is-it/
But it does though. The stay is for the order for the media and public to clear the courtroom so that secret testimony can be conducted. The stay puts a hold on that order, meaning secret testimony ceases and they are let back in for witnesses that do not intend to testify in secret. It's why the media was immediately let back in yesterday.
The motion also basically advises the judge to impose lesser restrictions, such as what she was considering on Thursday before kicking everyone out. She was going to have the media go to the overflow room. They're suggesting she does this and, presumably, there will be no more need for the media's appeal to be heard, unless they feel that isn't good enough, which it should be.
They are telling her: just no more secret testimony.
I was reflecting back on other death penalty cases I have seen over the years and I couldn't come up with one that took over 6 years to be finalized. Maybe 3 or 4 years but never 6 years that I can recall.
That is a travesty within itself and it is one of the main reasons this has cost the taxpayers of Az so much money. I have mentioned it before but I will say it again if the time is added up... including all the secret meetings, closed hearings, sealed sidebars in the 100s, and now secret witnesses... it would account for where the most money has been spent and wasted.
Why they gave this case to JSS as her first death penalty case really stumps me. The courts knew this was an extremely high profile case yet they assign a Judge that has never been a presiding judge over one? Why in the world would they do that? And it didn't take long to realize she was going to do a lot of this in complete secrecy. How could her superiors just sit there and not tell her it was eventually going to backfire? Imo, she is the number one reason why this case has been so long and drawn out.
I bet this case will be a record when it comes to sealed documents and even a record for the amount of in-chamber meetings held and don't even get me started on the 100s of sealed sidebars.
I am very lucky to have a hubby that respects my great interest in the justice system and while he doesn't have as great of an interest as I do he does ask me every afternoon about the particular case I am interested in at the moment. And we have long discussions about the case or discussions about the justice system in general.
Yesterday he had already heard that the appellate court had sent a strong message to JSS to find away to open her courtroom up to those who have a right to be there. He was elated. Imo, what he said is true when he said>>>> 'Anytime anything is shrouded in such secrecy and behind closed doors it gives the appearance that shady things are going on and causes great distrust.
I really wish the media had gone to the Appellate Court much earlier in the trial when every sidebar and hearing was being sealed tighter than a tomb time after time. It didn't just start happening with the secretive witnesses ............it has happened throughout this case and even defense attorneys don't understand why.
Imo, because JSS is a novice when presiding over a DP case KN took full advantage of that and has convinced JSS that everything must be done in the dark and clouded in secrecy. And once his reasons came to light yesterday it showed just how illogical those rulings are. So it makes me think the logic she has applied throughout this case has been flawed and tainted by the DT.
IMO
Can't the "lessor" restrictions simply be....NO STREAMING video??
And all that's after a trial convicting a killer in which her victim was demonized by those same defense attorneys and the convict herself.The reason a lot of us are so upset is by allowing the Defense all these shenanigans, there is no consideration for:
-The Jury's time and service. They are being tossed around like garbage.
-Travis family time and emotions. This has gone on 6 years now and counting. Please end the madness.
-The public's right to witness the trial. All the secret sidebars and this latest secret witness which is plainly illegal.
-Taxpayers money
Something up in AZ. The Bryan Wayne Hulsey death penalty trial, which took precedence over this one, and prosecuted by Juan, took seven years to make it to trial. Seven years! Why? I've wondered if it has to do with a defense attorney training method that is not applied in other states. Or if the judges are just far more lenient in AZ, in general. Far as I've seen , EVERYTHING in this state takes twice as long to get done and the court hours are twice as short, maybe even less. Something is just...different.