Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/10 - Break

[ILikeToBendPages]

Well look at it this way, this conservation proves one thing, regardless of how the lights went out, this proves TA was not a violent man as he did not harm the intruder!!! Whoever that was!

Nope not at all. He didn,t go into his closet to get that little bitty gun for protection

 

[katydid23]

I've been wondering about this as well. From her words alone, I sense no remorse but transcripts don't portray body language so it's hard to say. One thing I find very telling is the fact JW doesn't ever ask if she needs a moment to regroup or a tissue or asks if she can go on. Suggests there wasn't a whole lot of real emotion expressed in that testiphony.

I think the main problem for the DT was that they got knocked out of the ring before the killer got to the portion of her testimony where she was supposed to act all remorseful. So the jurors just saw her doing a laundry list of strange relationship stories and odd childhood memories. More like a freak show than a mitigation phase.

 

[Amster]

Not sure what it's called, but the media filed something to obtain the transcript of the secret meeting where Sherry ruled that JA could testify in secret...

Also, there are still 3 juror questions from that secret testimony by Jodi. I wonder what will happen to those?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I've been wondering about this as well. From her words alone, I sense no remorse but transcripts don't portray body language so it's hard to say. One thing I find very telling is the fact JW doesn't ever ask if she needs a moment to regroup or a tissue or asks if she can go on. Suggests there wasn't a whole lot of real emotion expressed in that testiphony.

Would it matter if she was remorseful. Everybody is remorseful once they get caught. This is the same chick who was doing headstands in the interrogation room and winning singing contest in jail before trial. And you people are still looking for a slight hint of remorse. How long does it take to sentence someone to death over there. It shouldnt take this long. T.A family should be pissed at these on going shenanigans. Jmo.

 

[Ransom]

Anyone know? Because of the AZ Supreme Court ruling, does JM get to cross JA on what she has already testified to in secret? Thx

Juan declined to do that. BUT ... he can and is using her testibaloney in his case. :loveyou:

 

[Meemaw12]

Haven't seen the prosc response to the def latest motion... Maybe tomorrow


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[Ransom]

Want to say something before I head out to bed: Team Jodi is all about "Mental Illness" as a mitigator. The MI the defense wants to use is only PTSD and not BPD. That's why LKN has fought so hard against JDM and her opinion of BPD. Somehow that's been overlooked here?

PTSD http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml is the whole basis of their case against Travis and what he "caused" to poor (vomit) Jodi:

When in danger, it’s natural to feel afraid. This fear triggers many split-second changes in the body to prepare to defend against the danger or to avoid it. This “fight-or-flight” response is a healthy reaction meant to protect a person from harm. But in post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), this reaction is changed or damaged. People who have PTSD may feel stressed or frightened even when they’re no longer in danger.
PTSD develops after a terrifying ordeal that involved physical harm or the threat of physical harm. The person who develops PTSD may have been the one who was harmed, etc.


​JMO and all that. Night all.

 

[LinasK]

I seem to remember her saying Bobby spun her around and then put her in a choke hold and she nearly passed out. Everyone seems to spin this girl around LOL

Will this do?[video=youtu;PGNiXGX2nLU]http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU[/video]
Oooh, the lyrics to this are creepy in regards to Jodi towards Travis!!!

You Spin Me 'Round (Like a Record)
Song by Dead or Alive


If I, I get to know your name
Well if I, could trace your private number, baby

All I know is that to me
You look like you're lots of fun
Open up your lovin' arms
I want some, want some
I set my sights on you (and no one else will do)
And I, I've got to have my way now, baby

All I know is that to me
You look like you're having fun
Open up your lovin' arms
Watch out here I come
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round

I got to be your friend now, baby
And I would like to move in just a little bit closer

All I know is that to me
You look like you're lots of fun
Open up your lovin' arms
Watch out, here I come

 

[Mindmatters]

I am sure I am in the minority here but I hope she retires after this fiasco of a trial and writes a book on all that we don't understand. I can imagine that dealing with Jodi was just as difficult and frustrating as us trying to follow tweets and make sense of this whole trial.
However I also think she created a lot of issues herself by not being the strong judge that we are use to watching..

So tomorrow I will be following the tweets with everyone else but first watching the opening statements for the murder trial of Chris Kyle. I bet that trial ends before Arias is sentenced.

Watching trials is what I enjoy. My family thinks I am totally nuts...but it is not a mental illness.

Thanks so much, Iforget, for the reminder about the Chris Kyle murder trial, have been waiting for it. You are correct, Texas doesn't play--not only will the trial end but I bet Eddie Ray Routh defendant will also be sentenced before JA is. Where will you be watching the trial and is there a thread here for Chris? TIA

 

[Mindmatters]

I love Dr Hayes most of all. I hope she is on his witness list but wonder why the DT wouldn't have filed a motion or 10 to stop her if she was.

Me too KaRN, to me she was the best of both worlds as far as expert Psychologists go, empirically sound and very intelligent, yet pleasant and engaging.

 

[kaRN]

I think the main problem for the DT was that they got knocked out of the ring before the killer got to the portion of her testimony where she was supposed to act all remorseful. So the jurors just saw her doing a laundry list of strange relationship stories and odd childhood memories. More like a freak show than a mitigation phase.

Freak show is a perfect descriptor!! I laugh because I can imagine her clear as day on the stand turning to face the jury to spout off those answers. Worst day of my life, I'm so stupid, blah blah.
I'm taking an online course on the Science of Happiness. This week we're studying apologies and forgiveness. There are 4 criteria necessary for an apology to be accepted and 7 criteria for the apology to result in forgiveness. I'd list them here but won't until the mitigation phase is over. Cha cha can do her own homework. From the transcripts it appears JA met zero of those criteria during her super secret testimony. Looking sad doesn't count LOL!

 

[kaRN]

Me too KaRN, to me she was the best of both worlds as far as expert Psychologists go, empirically sound and very intelligent, yet pleasant and engaging.

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ITA! During the first trial she testified about continuing to see her HIV+ patients from Tennessee? after moving her practice to Arizona IIRC and she won my heart right there. Also her work with LE experiencing PTSD. Very classy lady!

 

[kaRN]

Would it matter if she was remorseful. Everybody is remorseful once they get caught. This is the same chick who was doing headstands in the interrogation room and winning singing contest in jail before trial. And you people are still looking for a slight hint of remorse. How long does it take to sentence someone to death over there. It shouldnt take this long. T.A family should be pissed at these on going shenanigans. Jmo.

I think true remorse would affect the jury greatly. That's not to say I expect it. JA is a lot like your namesake DexterMorgan She can sense emotion in others but doesn't feel it herself. No empathy, no compassion and not enough acting skills to even pretend. If JA got on the stand and bawled her eyes out with real tears, took ownership of her crime, removed blame from her victim and then offered up some real restitution she'd be spared the DP.

I hated your finale DexterMorgan but I'm happy you're here!!!

 

[bsk]

Want to say something before I head out to bed: Team Jodi is all about "Mental Illness" as a mitigator. The MI the defense wants to use is only PTSD and not BPD. That's why LKN has fought so hard against JDM and her opinion of BPD. Somehow that's been overlooked here?

PTSD http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml is the whole basis of their case against Travis and what he "caused" to poor (vomit) Jodi:

When in danger, it’s natural to feel afraid. This fear triggers many split-second changes in the body to prepare to defend against the danger or to avoid it. This “fight-or-flight” response is a healthy reaction meant to protect a person from harm. But in post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), this reaction is changed or damaged. People who have PTSD may feel stressed or frightened even when they’re no longer in danger.
PTSD develops after a terrifying ordeal that involved physical harm or the threat of physical harm. The person who develops PTSD may have been the one who was harmed, etc.


​JMO and all that. Night all.

Actually the defense is trying to use PTSD and BPD - it's the usual "throw the bowl of spaghetti against the wall and some of it will stick" approach.
- If you believe Geff, then she has PTSD and you should let her off the hook.
- If you think Geff is a crackpot and believe DeMarte that it's not PTSD, then voila! she has BPD and you should still let her off the hook.

Heads I win; tails you lose.

 

[wendiesan]

I've been under the impression that Arizona doesn't have LWP only LWOP???? Perhaps I'm wrong or just misunderstood something (been known to happen :shush

If the state has filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty and the defendant is convicted of first degree murder as defined in section 13-1105, the defendant shall be sentenced to death or imprisonment in the custody of the state department of corrections for life or natural life as determined and in accordance with the procedures provided in section 13-703.01. A defendant who is sentenced to natural life is not eligible for commutation, parole, work furlough, work release or release from confinement on any basis. If the defendant is sentenced to life, the defendant shall not be released on any basis until the completion of the service of twenty-five calendar years if the murdered person was fifteen or more years of age...

http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=4866

AZL, does this mean that if is given a "life" sentence a prisoner could either complete 25 years and be released into the general population OR through completion of requirements set by the courts, be eligible for commutation, work release, work furlough, early release, or parole? However, if given "natural life", the prisoner will never be released?

 

[bsk]

Since it's been a crazy night and this thread will be closing in a few hours, I wanted to let you know I found a video which JA must have called "How to Raise a Younger Brother":

[video=youtube;Zj7h9VPEL9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj7h9VPEL9E[/video]

 

[YESorNO]

Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
02/11/2015 8:00 AM

02/09/2015

CAPITAL CASE MANAGER
PUBLIC DEFENDER-APPOINT
COUNSEL-CCC (this is new- what is this????)

TRIAL MINUTE ENTRY
DAY THIRTY-NINE

LET THE RECORD REFLECT that on 2/5/15 Exhibits 440, 456, 761, 842, 841, 615,
819, 820, 839, 791, 863, 900-908 and 910-914 were temporarily released to Defense and
returned today.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT that on 2/6/15 Exhibits 391, 238, 438, 471, 504, 505,
511, 512, 600, 680, 738, 739, 742, 743, 872, 245 and 677 were temporarily released to the State
and returned today.
9:37 a.m. Trial to Jury continues from 2/5/15...

Dr. Janeen DeMarte, having previously been sworn, testifies further.
Defense Exhibit 923 is marked for identification.
The Defense offers Defense Exhibit 923 and it is admitted in evidence.
Defense Exhibit 924 is marked for identification....

IT IS ORDERED authorizing the Office of Public Defense Services to appoint a new
investigator for the Defendant...

State’s Exhibits 925-927 are marked for identification.
The State offers State’s Exhibit 926 and it is admitted in evidence.
The State offers State’s Exhibit 925 and it is admitted in evidence.
The State offers State’s Exhibit 927 and it is NOT admitted in evidence.
State’s Exhibit 928 is marked for identification.
The State offers State’s Exhibit 928 and it is NOT admitted in evidence...

LET THE RECORD REFLECT the Court has received questions from the Jury. Same is
discussed by Court and counsel and some are asked of the witness.
Filed: Juror Questions (6)...

2:09 p.m. Court stands at recess until 2/11/15 at 9:30 a.m. in this division...

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022015/m6692760.pdf

 

[Val1]

QUOTE SNIPPED FOR SPACE

Hi there,

It definitely seems that her personal experience has had a profound effect on how she views this case. Abuse does change women. And to some extent, I think many of us take our own life experiences, whatever they may be, and apply them to the cases we discuss. I know Lulu from some other cases and she's not an insensitive person, although I understand how her insinuation of Jodi suffering abuse would upset people. I don't agree with her views on that. These topics are ultra-sensitive and understandably, people are passionate about them. But I also believe we can discuss them from different sides of the fence as long as the commentary remains respectful.

I just posted my response to her on my blog and figured I'd share it here. There may be a few things in my post that people don't agree with, and then again, some will. Jodi is the worst of humanity, basically a violent animal that should never see the light of day. I can't state it any simpler than that. But I also think it's ok to look at the entire situation surrounding this case including Travis, religion, pyramid schemes, family issues, etc etc... for the purpose of learning. What happened with both of them was pretty messed up and perhaps there's a cautionary tale there. To some extent, I do agree that what happened in Mesa was the perfect storm. Here is my response so you can understand what I mean:

I appreciate your thoughts. They’re not the popular ones out in the public, but I appreciate you being brave enough to say them. There are some items I agree with and some I don’t. I do believe that Travis had some issues of his own that were not resolved. I think it goes a little beyond him just being a single guy who was a player. The bigger issue was that he was living a lie – preaching to groups of people and pretending to be living a Mormon life and he wasn’t. Nobody’s perfect, hey, we all do things we know we shouldn’t. But there’s a difference when you are preaching to a group of people and expecting them to live a life that you are lying about.

With that said – I do not believe that he abused her at all. He was pretty darn clear that he wasn’t going to marry her and she kept pursuing him. She wanted sex with him so bad whichever way she could get it. He didn’t make her do anything she didn’t want to. She even moved to AZ after they broke up even though he told her not to. His mistake was that he continued to sleep with her. You wave sex in front of a single man and most of them are going to take it. So I get that and cut some slack. But when he found out she was hacking his accounts, stalking him & his girlfriends, slashing tires, etc… he was crazy to continue to sleep with her. That’s just simply unexplainable, and seems to show his deeper seeded issues.

At the end of the day – Jodi is one insane, evil, beyond-repair criminal. I have no sympathy for her. Whatever she gets, she deserves. Was Travis responsible for his death? No, absolutely not. Did Travis make some very unfortunate, foolish mistakes that played a part in the grand scheme of what happened to him? Yes. Let me be clear. That does not mean he caused his death. I just wish he made different choices. We can learn from this.

The thing that's hard about discussing this case with many people is that emotions are exceptionally high and people tend to be radically on either side of the fence. Myself, and Nick, believe that you can have a civil conversation about all of it without being a supporter, hater, troll.. and whatever else some may call you. I have been called a hater and a supporter online, which is outlandish. Nothing could be further from the truth. Interrogating people and the decisions they make is important in life. It helps us to understand humanity and be better people. Again, thanks for being honest and brave about how you feel. I disagree about LaViolette and about the abuse, but respect that you have a different opinion. Chat soon.

Thanks Lisa, what I find disturbing is it seems to be the very same people that have been victims of people like JA that can't seem to see the forest for the trees. Case in point, one of the links on JA's List of recommended websites is from allthingscrimeblog and featured on that is none other than Karla Homolka(though the case JA references is Candy Crush), for those who haven't read this particular article yet, as well as part one of the psych evaluation, it's worth comparing to this defendant and how she's playing the game imo. I can certainly see similarities between JA and KH and I'm sure JA is hoping she will get some kind of release to go live her life like KH unfortunately was able to. http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/2013/06/08/was-karla-homolka-a-normal-child-the-answer-is-a-resounding-no/

 

[Wizzy]

Actually the defense is trying to use PTSD and BPD - it's the usual "throw the bowl of spaghetti against the wall and some of it will stick" approach.
- If you believe Geff, then she has PTSD and you should let her off the hook.
- If you think Geff is a crackpot and believe DeMarte that it's not PTSD, then voila! she has BPD and you should still let her off the hook.

Heads I win; tails you lose.

PSTD isn't easy to diagnose. You can't administer a few test to the person and make an accurate diagnosis. Yes or NO. PSTD is different in every situation. People who have knowledge of someone with PSTD from a branch of the DOD know the long drawn out process. It take months and in most scenarios years for them to be diagnosed. It consist of testing, many consolations and many, many follow ups. JMOO but also from experience.

 

[tlckgram]

Amen. I'm sure everyone's straight now that JA threw a circuit breaker in the basement, and that when Travis went to investigate he found her on his computer hacking his bank accounts and diverting his PPL startups.

He chased her away, but she evaded him, then spun around and pulled out her stun gun. Too late, Travis had already gone back inside to turn on the circuit breakers.

You heard it here first.

Once again I will say, we need a "double thanks" button or a "snark" button cuz sometimes nothing else will do. LOL