Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/13 thru 2/18 - Break

[ElleElle]

This is what I do not get. They were not together. It makes no sense to record the call unless she intended to use it for one purpose only. Also was it not reported that Gus did not like Travis. Why would he give her the phone that records?

BBM ~ ITA. JA was jaded by that point and knew he had interests in other women and not HER. She knew he was breaking the Law of Chastity (with her) and wanted to make sure his future wife would hear it. -or- she was already in the premeditation stage.

 

[ZoeyW]

After viewing BN's lack of credibility regarding the computer issues, I so wish the state would have challenged the credibility of the recording.

I don't remember hearing "corking the pot" at any time.

I don't hear as well as I used to though.

Here is the sex call. Yes, Travis said it. http://youtu.be/ANNFSY5x-3w?t=32m17s

It is important to know that Jodi Arias sent him texts BEFORE this saying SHE wanted to f him like a dirty horny little school girl. So on the tape when you hear him talk about a young girl moaning , and corking the pot of girl...keep it in context that he was speaking to a girl who was texting him this type of thing and asking him to ejaculate on her face, pound her ars , etc. He wasn't exactly speaking to Deanna or Linda or Lisa,he was speaking someone to who according to her liked 'debasing'. EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE

You'll note that Jodi kept trying to bait Travis into saying Mormon girls are a bore. Here is why, courtesy of her brother Joey

http://youtu.be/ANNFSY5x-3w?t=19m31s

I certainly am with you on Bryan's veracity being a ?. I am still in shock the judge allowed him and Dr. F to say that Juan was committing "misconduct" and "slimy". I know him accusing Juan and Steve of purposely hiding evidence surely cost him any future work with any aspect of MESA PD work. You cannot lie about one of their own, then expect a call next Monday for a job . It was a very idiotic thing to do. He could have opined all day long on his findings without attacking them and accusing them. It was career suicide.

 

[ElleElle]

What must the jury be thinking right now?

JA's suspect Defense Team serving up lie after lie, 'experts' with doctored diagnoses, and a judge hoop-jumping over the Arizona Constitution in order to obey an especially cruel murderer in unprecedented fashion at the jury's expense.

Given the reality on the ground, what little we can see of it, it would seem the table was set for the State, especially after the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court weighed in against the Defense and their judge.

Unlike JA's hired guns, if there was one thing the jury could count on, it was that the State wasn't going to play games. JM was going to shoot straight, even and especially through the distractions -- including those of a pornographic nature. Over against the monotony of the Defense rehash it was something to look forward to, a thing to be anticipated.

Or was it?

The State assured the jury there was no *advertiser censored* on that hard drive.

<respctfully snipped>

Now, if folks have read this far without blowing a gasket, congratulations.

Thank you for your patience, and read on.

With me, most of you are no doubt concurring that this sentencing phase retrial isn't about *advertiser censored* -- or at least that it shouldn't be.

And you know what?

I'm still fairly confident that the jury can get past that, if they even need to.

But I'm willing to bet that what some of them will now struggle with moving beyond at this point is something else entirely. Something much larger is at stake. And that something is the very credibility of the State's computer forensics evidence and testimony.

And what of other evidence? Other experts and their testimony? How much of the State's case is now suspect in those jurors' minds?

And if that credibility hit contaminates the State's entire refutation of JA's mitigation claims...

At this point, the jury knows that the Defense will mislead and attempt to hoodwink them.

Are the jurors now thinking that they have to similarly guard against the State, its evidence, its expert witnesses, its testimony -- its entire case?

Where does the jury go now for a little integrity?

I'm not in a position to script this trial, but if I were I'd have scripted a better week than I believe this one was, and right at the point of the State resting its case.

OTOH, maybe trial reporting by Twitter has just caused a giant misunderstanding and the week did not actually unfold as Tweet readers were led to believe.

I could accept that.

BBM ~ Could this really be an issue? I don't think so because Nurmi et al are claiming Travis was a pedophile. They are fighting real hard to prove there was child *advertiser censored* on his computer.

 

[MeeBee]

A bit crazy? It's more than a bit crazy. Had that been a JA supporter who chased down a witness everyone here would have been all up in arms. It's disturbing, it's wrong and it went way over the line.

Yeah they would have been. And, depending on the circumstances, I migbt think they were overreacting too, given that we can be given to irrational hysteria at times.

 

[ElleElle]

The May 22nd date is significant. (IIRC)

1) The helio text(s) message were dated on 5/2/08. Then the phonesex recording on 5/10, on 5/26 was the rant that Travis said you are the worst thing that ever happened to me.

2) They broke up in Feb 07? and she has his passwords in 5/08 to prove their "trust" issues to each other?

And May 28 was the day her grandparent's house was broken into.

 

[ElleElle]

By 'chasing after a witness' I think they were referring to Paul S. 'chasing after' Juan and Dr D and fawning all over them.

BBM ~ :silly:

 

[Spellbound]

After viewing BN's lack of credibility regarding the computer issues, I so wish the state would have challenged the credibility of the recording.

I don't remember hearing "corking the pot" at any time.

I don't hear as well as I used to though.

I don't either though I could be misremembering. Iirc, ALV is the one who said the corking the pot thing and attributed it to Travis, which, again, I don't remember him saying, and Fonseca has ran with it. Why does Juan keep letting them say this.

This is from juror questions to ALV @ April 2013 (from JVM's show transcript). I remember a lot of discussion here on what that phrase meant .... and we were warned to not do a search or beware of what might come up. oops

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1304/11/ijvm.01.html

STEPHENS: During your testimony, you concurred that many things actually happened, such as when Travis was supposedly caught with photos of young boys. Aren`t you, in fact, only basing this on what Jodi told you?

LAVIOLETTE: I`m basing -- yes, I am basing that on what Ms. Arias told me. And on those e-mails -- or on the sex tape when he talks about corking the pot--

(INAUDIBLE)

STEPHENS: Overruled, you may follow up with that.

LAVIOLETTE: Corking the pot --

STEPHENS: (INAUDIBLE) Objection I`m going to allow your attorney to follow up.

LAVIOLETTE: Okay

 

[ElleElle]

Obviously I've got a biased viewpoint, but it seems like Juan has done a great job knocking down all these nonsense defense claims. Think of the notes they wrote down during the defense's presentation:
- Child *advertiser censored*?
- Trying to hook up w/ 9yo girl?
- Detective tampering with computer evidence?
- Massive life-long abuse?

Do any of these sorts of things carry any water any more? I think not. And the defense has gone so far overboard with what are obviously lies that it's likely most jurors won't believe anything they said even if Juan didn't destroy it.

They are left with a remorseless butcher who tried to further destroy him, his family, and his friends after he was dead. And who wasted 4+ months of the jurors' lives with stuff that was 99% carp. There may still be someone who can't vote for putting a young woman to death, but if so they were not going to do it no matter what - even if they really thought they could going in.

:cheers:

BBM ~ What is the 1%? :waitasec:

 

[MeeBee]

BBM ~ Could this really be an issue? I don't think so because Nurmi et al are claiming Travis was a pedophile. They are fighting real hard to prove there was child *advertiser censored* on his computer.

Let me just say, I am pessimistic as they come and it really doesn't seem to be an issue to me nor do I think the jury will care too much. The state told the last jury there was no *advertiser censored*. This one is probably confused as fug about what this all is about.

I think there's little chance of the jury thinking the state's sins are as great as the defense's unless that person is just blind.

The defense has been caught time and time again misleading them by continually presenting one sided, dubious evidence of Travis' pedophilia that NEVER pans out. They misrepresent things all the time, Juan actually called the girl's father, for cripes sakes. This is all they have.

When it comes to the state, all the defense has been able to do is suggest things.. And given their track record of flat out lying to the jury, who are they more apt to believe? They say maybe child *advertiser censored* was there and deleted. However, thumbnails of deleted photos are present and recoverable on the hard drive so that doesn't make sense. One would have to believe that the only thing that is completely unrecoverable are child *advertiser censored* pics. Riiiight. And their evidence that the state tempered with evidence? That the state broke into the evidence room at 11:00 pm and did...something. But nope. That could not be more off. The compter was turned on once for the defense for 12 minutes. And that was it. Just more blatant lies.

Relatively speaking, Juan's case has been much more transparent. All the defense has is lies and insinuations and calls to make wild assumptions.

Not worried.

 

[ElleElle]

I don't know about the recording on helio but I do know this

My mother is 94, for a long time I have called her and we talk about the olden days. I put my phone on speaker, I have a recorder close to it and we talk. Then I use the recording to make a little story for all of her family and I share it in a group on FB. Everyone loved it.

The recording is excellent I can here her voice clearly as well as mine. So I don't understand why a recording directly to a source ie helio phone would not have been as clear or better than what I do. Dunno


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BBM ~ I don't think JA could of had it on speaker because she was at her grandparents house.

And, BTW, that's a great idea and sounds like a great hobby.

 

[Shadowboy]

BBM - I totally agree, in fact if you watch the video from the Medford's when TA talks about the look of despair he tried to muster up in his retina(or something to that effect), you can almost see the switch go on in JA that hey that sounds like a neat picture...so if she hadn't already decided by then, you can see the different components she used starting to gather in that moment.

Hey there. As one North Seattleite to another: I'm not gronking. Are you referring to TA's description of being threatened with a gun as a blond blob rested in his lap? Sorry. Just trying to track.

 

[Wing Ding]

Quick question for the "A" students here:

Does anyone know the date JA received the text message she sent herself about hers and TA's little hiking/forest/tree adventure in Yreka? Was it early, mid or late May of 2008?

I'm just curious if the text was fabricated to use against any of TA's potential girlfriends, orrr against TA in a court of law? (the latter as in JA already knows he's as good as dead and she's already beginning to take steps towards creating damning "evidence" against him)

"TIA" in advance.


I mean if the text was generated in early May, even before the taped sex phone call, she may have been planning his demise as early as April 2008 when she crossed the Arizona/California border in her rented U-Haul on her way back to the shack, Jack.

"TIA" again in advance.

 

[hello clarice]

I find his writings very descriptively 'flowery' too much so, he's also very repetitive. I think when he first started posting his musings and observations he was quite naïve and quite proud of the fact that he had sat on a jury. Now that a lot of people have been commenting on how much they enjoy his articles, he appears to be striving to morph into something he really isn't. He makes a couple of glaring errors/misunderstandings (calling Dworkin - Gorkin, not fully understanding the Helio 'phone etc I don't know how he can claim he was not involved in the MDLRgate issue as he clearly stated he made eye contact with her twice and called hers a 'glare.' I understand a lot of people enjoy his writings and would prefer to see them kept a little shorter with more detail and less 'flowery repetitive descriptions.' JMHO

 

[Shadowboy]

Quick question for the "A" students here: Does anyone know the date JA received the text message she sent herself about hers and TA's little hiking/forest/tree adventure in Yreka? Was it early, mid or late May of 2008?

May 2, 2008. IIRC.

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM ~ Could this really be an issue? I don't think so because Nurmi et al are claiming Travis was a pedophile. They are fighting real hard to prove there was child *advertiser censored* on his computer.

They are trying to prove the Prosecution lied.

The Prosecution proved that for them.

 

[Meemaw12]

BBM ~ I don't think JA could of had it on speaker because she was at her grandparents house.

And, BTW, that's a great idea and sounds like a great hobby.

Right, she couldn't but my point is the quality on her phone should be better than what I do, and it didn't seem to be since LD had to enhance TA voice.

Just another thing strange in this case.

It's fun to hear about the good ole days from my mother, so much to share with the younger generation.


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[ladonna]

I still want to know when where and how LE got a hold of Jodi's broken computer. Wouldn't they need a search warrant.

 

[MeeBee]

I still want to know when where and how LE got a hold of Jodi's broken computer. Wouldn't they need a search warrant.

They had one. They probably got the computer when they seized all her other crap.

 

[Myvice]

I don't either though I could be misremembering. Iirc, ALV is the one who said the corking the pot thing and attributed it to Travis, which, again, I don't remember him saying, and Fonseca has run with it. Why does Juan keep letting them say this?

Really just jumping off your post but wanted to say if the pics are ever released I hope you will show us more of your findings. I loved what you did with them and I could clearly see things once you pointed them out. I would never have found them on my own. You have a gift! Thank you for sharing.

 

[ElleElle]

I have never seen this text before. Is it to or from DB?