Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 14

[LambChop]

Retrial date for Day 14 - Tuesday, December 2, 2014 :websleuther:


Links for tweets:

https://twitter.com/monicalindstrom
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https://twitter.com/trialdiariesj
https://twitter.com/msesquirette/status/527921045324320768
https://twitter.com/thegoldpatrol
https://twitter.com/william_pitts
https://twitter.com/ericksonvision
https://twitter.com/maryellenabc15



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Day 5

Day 6, Part 1

Day 6, Part 2

Day 6, Part 3

Day 7

Day 8

Day 9

Day 10

Day 11

Day 12

Day 13

 

[Harmony 2]

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[LambChop]

New thread, post away. :happydance:

This is a court day so please keep on topic regarding what is going on in the court room and discussion on the case. Other chit chat should be taken over to the Sidebar.

Thanks, Lambchop

 

[YESorNO]

Case Documents

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
12/1/2014 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 12/1/2014
NOTE: OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION: MOTION TO DISMISS STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY DUE TO DEFENDANT'S INABILITY TO PRESENT A COMPLETE CASE FOR LIFE

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...=CR2008-031021

 

[Steve44]

I hope we get to read Juan's rebuttal today. A thing of beauty for sure.

 

[Steve44]

Case Documents

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
12/1/2014 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 12/1/2014
NOTE: OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION: MOTION TO DISMISS STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY DUE TO DEFENDANT'S INABILITY TO PRESENT A COMPLETE CASE FOR LIFE

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...=CR2008-031021

I get a server not found error.

 

[rose222]

During the aggravation phase the defense argued (unsuccessfully, I might add) that the adrenaline rush would have prevented Travis from feeling much pain. Hogwash. Juan pointed out:

"And whether adrenaline is flowing or whether adrenaline is not flowing, it HURTS when someone sticks a knife into your chest."

"He’s feeling tightness of the chest, like he’s having a heart attack and it just plain hurts."

"He tries to defend himself and what does he get in his efforts to get the knife? More pain. Not only does he have the pain to chest now. And people are familiar with paper cuts. This is a paper cut to the nth degree. He goes to grab that knife, can't get it. Goes to grab it again, can’t get it. And he goes to grab it a third time and he still can’t get it and on the right hand he receives that injury."

"Oh yeah he has this adrenaline going, that somehow takes away the pain, actually adrenaline talks to fear, adrenaline talks to terror."

"The last thing he saw before he lost consciousness was the defendant with that blade to his throat."

"And it was only death that relieved his pain."

It's disrespectful to the victim and an insult to common sense that being tortured = a blissful and peaceful death. I think it's safe to say that the pain Travis endured is the stuff of horror movies. Travis suffered immense physical pain -- this is as obvious as saying that water is wet.

 

[LambChop]

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[jane the dood]

During the aggravation phase the defense argued (unsuccessfully, I might add) that the adrenaline rush would have prevented Travis from feeling much pain. Hogwash. Juan pointed out:

"And whether adrenaline is flowing or whether adrenaline is not flowing, it HURTS when someone sticks a knife into your chest."

"He’s feeling tightness of the chest, like he’s having a heart attack and it just plain hurts."

"He tries to defend himself and what does he get in his efforts to get the knife? More pain. Not only does he have the pain to chest now. And people are familiar with paper cuts. This is a paper cut to the nth degree. He goes to grab that knife, can't get it. Goes to grab it again, can’t get it. And he goes to grab it a third time and he still can’t get it and on the right hand he receives that injury."

"Oh yeah he has this adrenaline going, that somehow takes away the pain, actually adrenaline talks to fear, adrenaline talks to terror."

"The last thing he saw before he lost consciousness was the defendant with that blade to his throat."

"And it was only death that relieved his pain."

It's disrespectful to the victim and an insult to common sense that being tortured = a blissful and peaceful death. I think it's safe to say that the pain Travis endured is the stuff of horror movies. Travis suffered immense physical pain -- this is as obvious as saying that water is wet.

Travis was tortured to death. He felt agony. And terror. How could he not, knowing his life was being snuffed out by a sadistic psychopath? Whatever awaits JA in prison, she's getting off easy. Even if she gets the DP, chances are she will live a long (albeit solitary) life and die a natural death before they get around to sticking a needle in her arm. Whatever. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

On a happier note....Good morning!

 

[LambChop]

Travis was tortured to death. He felt agony. And terror. How could he not, knowing his life was being snuffed out by a sadistic psychopath? Whatever awaits JA in prison, she's getting off easy. Even if she gets the DP, chances are she will live a long (albeit solitary) life and die a natural death before they get around to sticking a needle in her arm. Whatever. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

On a happier note....Good morning!

Good morning, Jane.

Retrial will open for the day at:

9:30 MT
10:30 CT
11:30 ET

 

[Hope4More]

Tuning in to that happier note, and tuning out the other.

Good morning. May it be that in Phoenix today, and may there be, by whatever mercy , a full trial day.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Marking where I left off. I have to chauffer DH around this morning. I hope I don't get too far behind.

At this point, my nerves are in a bit of a frazzle with this never-ending-melodrama created by the DT and JA.

I would love to be able to read JM's response to the latest DT gobbledy-gook. It's pure justice-turned-upside-down.

 

[chakti]

Case Documents

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
12/1/2014 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 12/1/2014
NOTE: OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION: MOTION TO DISMISS STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY DUE TO DEFENDANT'S INABILITY TO PRESENT A COMPLETE CASE FOR LIFE

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...=CR2008-031021

This link is not working for me. Help ?

 

[daisydomino]

I have meetings all day today and will not be able to post courtroom Tweets until the evening, long after court today. I'm sorry!

 

[LambChop]

I have meetings all day today and will not be able to post courtroom Tweets until the evening, long after court today. I'm sorry!

Thank you for letting us know, daisydomino.

 

[gcharlie]

Just to put things in perspective, Nurmi has been working variants of a closed courtroom and witnesses unwilling to testify for quite some time now. In the first penalty phase, he claimed witnesses were afraid to testify due to threats, yet Brewer was waiting in a hotel room to get called. Womack never finished her deposition, most likely due to questions that could put her in hot water. I suspect we are seeing the same thing again with this most recent motion claiming three witnesses refuse to testify.

In February 2014, Nurmi did try to get a Star Chamber trial for his client. The motion and ruling are under seal, so it is not known exactly how this was argued or ruled, but the docket gives a hint:



Somewhere along the line, Nurmi did convince Judge Stephens to go down the rabbit hole. And for every inch he has gotten, he keeps pushing her more in that same direction.

Hopefully, the recent COA decision will snap her back to reality and an orderly trial. This one has been anything but.

 

[Hatfield]

I just hope the DT argument is quickly thrown out today. It can be rejected on multiple fronts.

The COA ruling is very straightforward. No secret witnesses. So the DT has to live with that and if their witnesses dont want to testify, then too bad on them.

The other garbage about 1 witness and what he may or may not say is garbage because first of all he hasnt said anything under oath yet so its irrelevant at this point.
Nurmis statements can be thrown out about that part because he is talking about the future.

The rest is garbage to confuse.

 

[Steve44]

Just to put things in perspective, Nurmi has been working variants of a closed courtroom and witnesses unwilling to testify for quite some time now. In the first penalty phase, he claimed witnesses were afraid to testify due to threats, yet Brewer was waiting in a hotel room to get called. Womack never finished her deposition, most likely due to questions that could put her in hot water. I suspect we are seeing the same thing again with this most recent motion claiming three witnesses refuse to testify.

In February 2014, Nurmi did try to get a Star Chamber trial for his client. The motion and ruling are under seal, so it is not known exactly how this was argued or ruled, but the docket gives a hint:

View attachment 64682

Somewhere along the line, Nurmi did convince Judge Stephens to go down the rabbit hole. And for every inch he has gotten, he keeps pushing her more in that same direction.

Hopefully, the recent COA decision will snap her back to reality and an orderly trial. This one has been anything but.

The latest defense witnesses seem manufactured just to lend weight to Nurmi's motion. During a hearing before JSS Juan mentioned the defense had two expert witnesses, a possible witness from CA, and affidavits. Now all of a sudden there's all these witnesses that can't bear the Constitution. Rather convenient, isn't it?

 

[MeeBee]

The latest defense witnesses seem manufactured just to lend weight to Nurmi's motion. During a hearing before JSS Juan mentioned the defense had two expert witnesses, a possible witness from CA, and affidavits. Now all of a sudden there's all these witnesses that can't bear the Constitution. Rather convenient, isn't it?

Agree. This way Nurmi can talk about what they would have said without actually having to call them while making the argument that Jodi couldn't adequately defend her life because all these witnesses were willing to testify but just didn't and their testimonies would have helped her. It's kind of stupid, really. In terms of trial noteriety, Jodi's up there but it's still failed to reach Anthony and OJ levels. The only people following it anymore are the people who always followed it. It isn't even super market tabloid fodder. I don't know who these people think they are. And, hopefully, JSS will remind the defense that if subpoena simply isn't an option then they can either choose or not choose to testify but that is their call and their right.

 

[Steve44]

Agree. This way Nurmi can talk about what they would have said without actually having to call them while simultaneously making the argument that Jodi couldn't adequately defend her life because all these witnesses were willing to testify but just didn't and their testimonies would have helped her. It's kind of stupid, really. In terms of trial noteriety, Jodi's certainly up there but it's still failed to reach Anthony and OJ levels. The only people following it anymore are the people who always followed it. It isn't even super market tabloid fodder. I don't know who these people think they are. And, hopefully, JSS will remind the defense that if subpoena simply isn't an option then they can either choose or not choose to testify but that is their call and their right.

That's right. The precedent Nurmi's motion would set, if granted, is ridiculous. If your defendant is such that no one will come forward to defend her in public, that's a reflection on your defendant, not an indication that the Constitution has to be adjusted down to accommodate her poor character.

What galls me almost as much as Nurmi is that JSS should have seen this coming. She aided and abetted this mess, helping Nurmi pave the garden path straight into the garbage dump.