Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 27, Part 2

[Nali87]

And something we need to remember is that we could have a juror who is just plain against the death penalty, even though they didn't state that at the start. Just like there's probably a few who knew before the trial started, that they'd be voting death without hearing a stitch of evidence. It doesn't mean Juan failed or that he didn't plead his case enough, it's just how some people are wired. As it stands now, I don't believe that any of the jurors feel she was justified in killing him. I also don't believe they've been given any reason to save her life. It's all going to come down to luck of the draw in my opinion. The final 12.

That's true.

I could give JA the DP based on what was said in court but also mostly because of her behavior outside of the courtroom. The jurors sadly enough don't know JA as much as we do. If they knew what we knew, MAN, they wouldn't even spend more than 10 minutes deliberating.

 

[DebinGA]

I want to hear everything. Personally after hearing what happens to the survivors of those killed and the criminal has received the death penalty, I would never want to go through that. I don't care which one the jury decides upon as long as she is put away. JMO

I'd like Dr. Demarte or Dr. Hayes's opinions of which JA would hate more - DP or LWOP. I can see aspects of both appealing to her.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I want to hear everything. Personally after hearing what happens to the survivors of those killed and the criminal has received the death penalty, I would never want to go through that. I don't care which one the jury decides upon as long as she is put away. JMO

:seeya: I completely understand your point, CH !

But like I said before: IF they not give the DP, I am going to tune them out ... lol !

I heard enough of Zervakos' excuses and the jury foreman of the Pinellas 12 excuses to last a lifetime !

:gaah: and :moo:

 

[ohiogirl]

It's becoming clearer to me now that Jodi has amplified this relationship in her mind even more than I thought before. I thought they did have a long distance thing and then broke up. I am so convinced now, especially after reading her letter and hearing Abe's testimony, that they were never official. It's all coming together now.

Jodi and Travis met, engaged in a flirtation, dated a little, but he seems to have definitively decided she wasn't the one. When she was in Cali she tried hard to get him to commit to her. He liked her but didn't want to take it further. She rationalized in her mind that the only reason he wouldn't committ to her and make her his girl was just to keep crazy Deanna happy. She was in a battle for his attention and devotion and was never worthy. She complained to the Hughes' to make him commit and they played along because they liked her before realizing they'd been had.

The goal was to make him get her to move there. Eventually he tells her it's never gonna happen so she just takes the initiative and moves there anyway, with great resistance from him. The rest of it was her finding ways to insinuate herself into his life, knowing she could always take advantage of his good nature. Can I keep my stuff in your garage? Can I use your car? Can I get some money? Can I get a ride? Oh, is this your bed? Where'd my clothes go? And it always felt like she was so close, so close to winning him. But it just wasn't going to happen.

She convinced herself that they were just on the DL, they were really together but had to keep it underground. But why would Travis do that? When he was with someone, he was with them. He made it known, they were together, he called her his girlfriend. Jodi never got this from him. I never saw any evidence that he held her in the same regard as Deanna or Lisa or Linda or any other girl. She was just another girl he got his rocks off with. And so she had to convince herself in her mind that it's just because she's more special. They were star crossed lovers. Never got the timing right. Travis did love her the most but there were people in his life that we're keeping him from her. So she had to drive a wedge between them. Still didn't work.

Travis should really have put up better boundaries because every time he slept with her it gave her a glimmer of hope. Her obsession with him was deep. All she wrote about, talked about, thought about, wanted was Travis. She had to make this go away because she was finding it impossible to move on. There was a journal entry that I believe encapsulates her need to kill Travis. It basically said there was something that needed to be cut off at its source, shut off like a light. This was Travis. She would only have freedom when he was gone. When Flores was grilling her, just before she changed her story to the ninjas, she's crying and seems close to confessing. "I had to move on."

What's happening now isn't so much hatred of Travis (though that's part of it) as it is a need to convince the world of what the truth of them was, of what she knows she and Travis were. She knew more about him than anyone. Was treated differently than anyone else. Meant more to him than anyone. Make her fantasy a reality in his death. She's done a darn good job too. And Travis isn't here to tell full truth of it and what she put him through.

You know, i was thinking the same thing yesterday. I am wondering if she has been encouraged to lie by the fact that some (including we) have believed some of what she said. Thinking, in a St. Jodi of Arias kind of way, that everyone is so gullible to fall for some of what she has said. So, I should just keep on lying and making them as outrageous as I can, because someone will buy it. just thinking out loud....

 

[ButForFortune]

Is anyone able to direct me to the Thirteenth Juror's summary of yesterday and also Ziggy's? Just checking in now and a little behind. Thank you in advance!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Today, Deanna should say, I am sorry I can't read that because I copyrighted my answers and I don't authorize the defense team to use them out of context. I do authorize JM to use them freely because he doesn't take them out of context.

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: This is :great: and made me LOL !

 

[krkrjx]

I'm sitting on a patio on a 75 degree day having Mexican food and on my second margarita.
Back home soon to "watch" this Twial

Brat!

:seeya:

 

[Luvrosco]

Ugh

:seeya: I wish I could be as optimistic ... but I am not

Also, I believe that these jurors have got to be confused by the way this entire Penalty Phase Re-Trial has been handled:

- Delay after delay after delay ...

- The defendant testifying in secret -- and now she will not even finish her testimony or be cross examined by Juan ...

- The secret affiants whose testimony was allowed via Affidavits ...

- It goes on and on and on and on ... y'all know the rest :gaah:

JMO but I will not be surprised if this jury comes back hung :gaah: !

This is my biggest concern,doggonecute.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I think she sent him the link to YouPorn, saying she posted stuff of them together (maybe never made it clear whether audio, pics or a sneaked video) - considering aside from the virus-, there was never any user action of on his computer except that one, if he went to Youporn for 45 minutes it was to search for something specific. We'll probably never know if he found anything or she was sandbagging him, she dearly loved head games.

One thing that has surprised the heck out of me, her responses to any of his angry texts is so unusual, if someone calls you a carcass, THW, worse thing that ever happened to me, whether deserved or not, she never replies like she even read the words, no anger, no 'how could you?', no defense of whatever caused the mean words to be said. I don't buy 'flat affect' as explanation, there's just something so truly odd about her lack of direct responses to any angry thing he said to her.

That's the passive part of passive/aggressive - designed to drive you insane :gaah:

 

[daisydomino]

Is anyone able to direct me to the Thirteenth Juror's summary of yesterday and also Ziggy's? Just checking in now and a little behind. Thank you in advance!

https://www.facebook.com/JuanMartinezProsecutorSupportPage/posts/345262215667361

Ziggy's report, I don't know—it's in the previous thread, I believe.

ETA: I wonder if this search link will work

 

[Hope4More]

They listened to the foreperson and are hoping there's one like him on this jury as well. That's the juror they've been talking to these last couple of months. They don't care about the ones that would find their tactics disgraceful. All they need is that one person.

If so, what must they believe about this magical one?

-That the One doesn't need to hear her express remorse

-The One believes she was physically and or emotionally abused enough to mitigate the especially cruel premeditated murder

-The One is not smart enough to figure out she lied about Travis being a pedophile

-The One will be so taken in by JA's story, and so sympathetic, that she/he will refuse to be swayed by the determined and pissed off 11 who relish giving her the DP?

There is no One. The DT is dreaming if they really believe that.

 

[ButForFortune]

https://www.facebook.com/JuanMartinezProsecutorSupportPage/posts/345262215667361

Ziggy's report, I don't know—it's in the previous thread, I believe.

Thank you!

 

[Nali87]

If so, what must they believe about this magical one?

-That the One doesn't need to hear express remorse

-The One believes she was physically and or emotionally abused enough to mitigate the especially cruel premeditated murder

-The One is not smart enough to figure out she lied about Travis being a pedophile

-The One will be so taken in by JA's story, and so sympathetic, that she/he will refuse to be swayed by the determined and pissed off 11 who relish giving her the DP?

There is no One. The DT is dreaming if they really believe that.

The One existed in the first trial otherwise we wouldn't be here.

 

[TxJan1971]

Today, Deanna should say, I am sorry I can't read that because I copyrighted my answers and I don't authorize the defense team to use them out of context. I do authorize JM to use them freely because he doesn't take them out of context.

I've been just reading along, half paying attention, waiting for trial and trying to multi-task at the same time. Your comment was so unexpected that when the joke hit me, it made me choke on my hot tea, which startled me such that the cup spilled and I had hot tea all over my pants which then burned my leg, which then made me rip off my capris and run through the house in my "magic underwear" which then caused DH to chase me down the hallway, tackle me like a linebacker, and plant three tender kisses on me! Thank you very much! HAHAHAHAHAHA It was worth it. Just thought you should know I appreciate your humor. :loveyou:

 

[krkrjx]

If so, what must they believe about this magical one?

-That the One doesn't need to hear express remorse

-The One believes she was physically and or emotionally abused enough to mitigate the especially cruel premeditated murder

-The One is not smart enough to figure out she lied about Travis being a pedophile

-The One will be so taken in by JA's story, and so sympathetic, that she/he will refuse to be swayed by the determined and pissed off 11 who relish giving her the DP?

There is no One. The DT is dreaming if they really believe that.

There could be One who is determined that no one is getting the death penalty on their watch.

 

[Charterhouse]

And something we need to remember is that we could have a juror who is just plain against the death penalty, even though they didn't state that at the start. Just like there's probably a few who knew before the trial started, that they'd be voting death without hearing a stitch of evidence. It doesn't mean Juan failed or that he didn't plead his case enough, it's just how some people are wired. As it stands now, I don't believe that any of the jurors feel she was justified in killing him. I also don't believe they've been given any reason to save her life. It's all going to come down to luck of the draw in my opinion. The final 12.

This! Exactly! That is why it is so interesting to hear about the psychology of everything. You just never know.
Great Post.

 

[krkrjx]

Today, Deanna should say, I am sorry I can't read that because I copyrighted my answers and I don't authorize the defense team to use them out of context. I do authorize JM to use them freely because he doesn't take them out of context.

^^^^ priceless!! ^^^

 

[TxJan1971]

By the way, just checked the "virtual candles" for Travis (see my link below). There's only 10 candles lit! Yikes! Let's light up the sky for Travis. Click on the link and light a virtual candle. It doesn't cost anything unless you care/choose to make a donation! We had 255 candles the other day, but they burn out after so many hours and you got to relight them again. While we wait for trial, we can light a candle to support Travis.

 

[DebinGA]

The One existed in the first trial otherwise we wouldn't be here.

William Zervakos believed in the death penalty ... for serial killers like Manson and Bundy, not for a "perfectly normal" young lady like JA who'd lived a "perfectly normal life" prior to meeting Travis Alexander.

 

[ladonna]

WS poster ziggy was there and posted some great stuff here.

I loved her posts earlier, can you lead me to what she posted about yesterday? TIA