SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[al66pine]

I'm joining huddle of posters who are puzzled about this stmt.

""When you make an arrest of someone who does not have a weapon, you never let go of the subject. When he threw her across the room, he let go of her. That's what violates our policy," Lott said."
http://bigstory.ap.org/26ced3f750c84367bf3180d028c9e9e1

I can imagine one circumstance in which the above makes sense. Example: LEO responding to a dom-disturbance call enters residence and encounters person shouting, advancing, starting to swing fist. LEO might hold/not let go, to prevent combatant from accessing a weapon person could be otherwise easily access.

But could SRO know this student had no weapon, within a reasonable degree of certainty? IDK.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It appears so. According to that article.

Nothing in that article appeared so to me. ????

 

[katydid23]

Nothing in that article appeared so to me. ????

Columbia, SC (WLTX) - Richland School District Two officials say two students involved in Monday's incident at Spring Valley High School have been allowed to return to school. Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

[snip]

Roof said while an independent investigation is conducted, a substitute teacher is in the math class. As for the administrator, she says that consistent with the district's standard procedures during investigations, the administrator is on paid leave.
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The math teacher has been replaced, for now, by a substitute teacher. The VP is home on paid leave for now. Sounds like they might be on the chopping block too, imo.

When they take you out of the classroom and pay a sub to take over your class, then you are on thin ice. They don't do that unless it is a serious situation.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Anyone can "take his word" for it that he is stating what his cohorts are thinking. Welcome to do so.

I'm reluctant to do that based on "absence of statements to the contrary from that same cohort."

Snipped for focus.

And you're welcome to do so in return. Common sense as well as observing the media for several decades leads me to believe that if anyone strongly disagreed with what that eyewitness student stated, we would have heard about it by now.

Ditto that we would have heard at least three days ago how this student was a notoriously rebellious troublemaker.

Yet we've heard crickets on both counts.

 

[al66pine]

Wait, what? Where did it say say the teacher and administrator are in danger of losing their jobs?

Per 1:59pm edt update of Oct31 article -
"Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation."

Maybe I missed other info re teacher's status, beyond ^ (sub is in that room now). Maybe teacher asked for day off? IDK

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/loca...alley-incident-allowed-return-class/74942096/

 

[katydid23]

Per 1:59pm edt update of Oct31 article -
"Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation."

Maybe I missed other info re teacher's status, beyond ^ (sub is in that room now). Maybe teacher asked for day off? IDK

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/loca...alley-incident-allowed-return-class/74942096/

Maybe. But I doubt the teacher would have dared asked for any favors, after that whole mess. I'd think the opposite. I think it is more likely that his job is now on the line.

 

[al66pine]

Snipped for focus.
And you're welcome to do so in return. Common sense as well as observing the media for several decades leads me to believe that if anyone strongly disagreed with what that eyewitness student stated, we would have heard about it by now.
Ditto that we would have heard at least three days ago how this student was a notoriously rebellious troublemaker.
Yet we've heard crickets on both counts.

Yes, perhaps this silence indicates that.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Columbia, SC (WLTX) - Richland School District Two officials say two students involved in Monday's incident at Spring Valley High School have been allowed to return to school. Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

[snip]

Roof said while an independent investigation is conducted, a substitute teacher is in the math class. As for the administrator, she says that consistent with the district's standard procedures during investigations, the administrator is on paid leave.
================================================== =====

The math teacher has been replaced, for now, by a substitute teacher. The VP is home on paid leave for now. Sounds like they might be on the chopping block too, imo.

When they take you out of the classroom and pay a sub to take over your class, then you are on thin ice. They don't do that unless it is a serious situation.

But the article says these are standard procedures during an investigation in that particular district.

I thought anyone who read the first paragraph of the article might conclude, as I did before reading on, that the officials being placed on leave meant the district suspected wrongdoing.

But then I read on that this was standard procedure during an investigation. Which is why I made sure to post that so that no one else would make the same erroneous assumption I did.

I just don't see the implication of job loss that you do. If anything it sounds like they are being treated fairly, at least with regard to retaining their incomes, while being investigated.

 

[KaaBoom]

He did not beat her. He did not choke her. I never said he didn't get fired for it. You are wrong on all counts. It's not disputable.

Now you are disagreeing with the internal investigators who investigated the case. If what you say is true, then the department would be hit with a wrongful termination lawsuit.

 

[KaaBoom]

Letting go may be necessary to protect oneself.

From an unarmed little girl?

 

[ohreally]

Yes, perhaps this silence indicates that.

I am pretty sure that none of the employees at the school or county level can talk publicly about the students prior behavior. In our county any media requests to interview school board employees must go through the public communications department. Student records are not public records.
IMO there is no way any staff member is going to talk about this girls past history publicly for fear of loosing their job.

 

[Montjoy]

From an unarmed little girl?

No -- that was with respect to general policies for dealing with an *armed* person -- it had nothing to do with this case.

 

[CCmakes3]

I am pretty sure that none of the employees at the school or county level can talk publicly about the students prior behavior. In our county any media requests to interview school board employees must go through the public communications department. Student records are not public records.
IMO there is no way any staff member is going to talk about this girls past history publicly for fear of loosing their job.

Absolutely. Everything has to go through the district spokesperson. Student iinformation is confidential.

 

[JeannaT]

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I learned the day of the blue/black or white/gold dress to never tell someone what they are seeing in an image, that it's quite possible people are truly perceiving different things in an image they are looking at.

SO. Maybe it's more valuable to talk about what a "choke hold" is, and how it works. A choke hold stablizes the person being held, and cuts off their airway and blood to their head so that over time, they will lose consciousness. It's a hold that gets someone to realize they are defeated, and they stop struggling and submit. It takes many seconds to be effective in what it's designed to do.

This officer is NOT using a choke-hold if the action happens so fast people can't even agree on where hands and arms and necks were. It is a fleeting moment, using her head as leverage to get her backwards and the chair on the ground so he can slide her out of it.

Not a choke hold.

 

[vestigare]

But the article says these are standard procedures during an investigation in that particular district.

I thought anyone who read the first paragraph of the article might conclude, as I did before reading on, that the officials being placed on leave meant the district suspected wrongdoing.

But then I read on that this was standard procedure during an investigation. Which is why I made sure to post that so that no one else would make the same erroneous assumption I did.

I just don't see the implication of job loss that you do. If anything it sounds like they are being treated fairly, at least with regard to retaining their incomes, while being investigated.

And neither were arrested or thrown across the room for not following policy which is most likely the reason they are on paid leave i.e., not following policy.

 

[vestigare]

I am pretty sure that none of the employees at the school or county level can talk publicly about the students prior behavior. In our county any media requests to interview school board employees must go through the public communications department. Student records are not public records.
IMO there is no way any staff member is going to talk about this girls past history publicly for fear of loosing their job.

There is nothing legally to stop all the students who witnessed her past behavior from speaking out though. And again- crickets....

 

[K_Z]

<modsnip>

I learned the day of the blue/black or white/gold dress to never tell someone what they are seeing in an image, that it's quite possible people are truly perceiving different things in an image they are looking at.

SO. Maybe it's more valuable to talk about what a "choke hold" is, and how it works. A choke hold stablizes the person being held, and cuts off their airway and blood to their head so that over time, they will lose consciousness. It's a hold that gets someone to realize they are defeated, and they stop struggling and submit. It takes many seconds to be effective in what it's designed to do.

This officer is NOT using a choke-hold if the action happens so fast people can't even agree on where hands and arms and necks were. It is a fleeting moment, using her head as leverage to get her backwards and the chair on the ground so he can slide her out of it.

Not a choke hold.

And I'll add that the student in question is a minor for a few more months, but definitely NOT a "little girl". (LOL!)

The criminal justice system would charge and try her as an adult, so society as a whole does not view 16-17 year olds as "little children". A minor, yes-- for a few more months. But not a child.

The only time late teenagers (those who are intellectually within normal limits) are referred to by someone with an agenda as "little children", is when there is an effort to portray them to be not responsible for their actions. Or an effort to make them *appear* younger, so they can be portrayed as a "defenseless victim."

This 17 year old teenager is most definitely not a "little child". That term should be reserved for actual children who are elementary school aged and younger.

And she most definitely *should be* held responsible for her actions. I doubt she will be, with our current dysfunctional social and media activism controlling the narrative.

I still think she is salvageable, though, and every effort should be extended to try to help her with her social and emotional problems, and get her to graduate. It's the only and best chance she (and society) has at this point, IMO, with so much difficulty in her life already.

 

[K_Z]

I am pretty sure that none of the employees at the school or county level can talk publicly about the students prior behavior. In our county any media requests to interview school board employees must go through the public communications department. Student records are not public records.
IMO there is no way any staff member is going to talk about this girls past history publicly for fear of loosing their job.

Yes, we will likely (hopefully) never hear what her academic and discipline history is-- and that is entirely correct. She deserves that privacy. Her behavior was not egregious enough to merit that information becoming public, IMO.

There ARE circumstances under which I believe teen discipline records should become public, but this is not one of those circumstances at all.

 

[Hope4More]

Reading up on larger context, to actually learn something. Just finished going over all statewide laws in SC relating to public schools.

1. Unsurprising find: teachers can give detentions, only administrators can suspend students.

2. Truly astonishing find: corporal punishment is still legal in SC schools.

 

[Hope4More]

There is nothing legally to stop all the students who witnessed her past behavior from speaking out though. And again- crickets....

Why in the world would they speak out? Only three students in that class have, all immediately following the incident and then nothing, and 1 of 3 even at the time insisted upon remaining annoynmous. BTW, the latter was the student who shot video #3, which was apparently posted on Instagram, and was viewed by the station who interviewed him.

He doesn't want his name known because unlike the other 2 students who spoke up, he believes what Fields did was wrong AND that what the girl did was wrong, and that it took 2 for the situation to get as bad as it did. ( And yes, he says the girl hit Fields, and the station says his video shows just that.