SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[bluesneakers]

Maybe it has something with the number of American citizens who think that a uniform magically gives someone absolute moral and legal authority. My mind is blown.

Yes, it's mind-boggling how many people think once law enforcement shows up your civil rights are immediately suspended.

 

[kimlynn]

So I couldn't find the new, longer video, but I did find this of the sheriff stating he had seen it, and it does contain the girl punching the officer. Apparently the other video is shot from a different vantage point and might make it clear the girl flipped the chair, not the cop. But again I don't know. The sheriff isn't letting the cop off the hook, and is waiting for an internal affairs investigation.

Really, it's quite a wonder her neck isn't broken.

[video=youtube;0tU9WZG5mXg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tU9WZG5mXg[/video]

I don't think she flipped the chair. I do see some arm movement from her toward the shoulder of the cop. I think flailing was used earlier by a poster and that seems to be a good description of her arm movement.
I don't see it as hitting or striking out but more of an instinct to ward him off or protect herself. I think that is very normal response considering the way he grabbed her wild animal style. IMO

 

[RANCH]

There have been studies that have shown children who are afraid to question authority are more likely to be molested.

Teaching kids how not be molested is a subject for a different thread.

 

[bluesneakers]

Nope.Your wrong.

So every time we call Lt. G "GI Joe" we're violating TOS?

 

[bluesneakers]

Teaching kids how not be molested is a subject for a different thread.

Teaching kids they have to do everything an adult tells them to do is setting them up. JMO.

 

[JeannaT]

I was taught to think for myself and never ever just do what someone says simply because they were a teacher or cop etc... and I have had a very successful life.
I think requiring a child to have automatic compliance leads to a great many problems. Children who are afraid to question authority find themselves in a lot of difficult places.

Really? Your parents would have supported you in refusal to put away your cell phone, and then when you wouldn't do that, and an administrator had to be called to come get you, and you refused to get up out of your chair for the administrator, and then the Resource officer arrived and said get up and come on out into the hallway, and you still refused to do that, your parents would have backed you in not complying with the instructions of the teacher, the administrator and the cop? I understand your reaction to the cop's very physical restraint of her, but your parents would have backed you in all the behaviors she did BEFORE the cop pulled her out of the chair? My parents would have died if I thought that was an okay way to act. What would happen if all the students just decided they didn't have to follow any of the rules and could decide for themselves when to comply with authority's legitimate requests? How long did this whole incident take? Maybe 20+ minutes while that girl sat there refusing to do what she was asked to do?

 

[KaaBoom]

Omg I can't believe anyone is defending that cop. That video is sickening. To the people who care so much about disruptive behaviour in the classroom, how does that justify a police officer abusing their power? It's this cop that thinks he is above the law. The student didn't even break a law. What the hell are cops even doing in schools enforcing classroom behaviour? Bloody hell.....

Some people are just programed to do that. If the cop had pulled out his gun and put a bullet in her head at point blank range, they would still defend the cop. Hey if she had just done what he told her to do she wouldn’t be dead.

 

[RANCH]

So every time we call Lt. G "GI Joe" we're violating TOS?

I have no idea who Lt G is. It appears that using GI Joe is an affectionate name and not a disparaging one.

The name variation you applied to deputy Fields was a disparaging one IMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

Some people are just programed to do that. If the cop had pulled out his gun and put a bullet in her head at point blank range, they would still defend the cop. Hey if she had just done what he told her to do she wouldn’t be dead.

You know you're right. It's sad, but true. It's like police officers are wild animals and unable to control themselves. It's our job not to upset them and force their hand.

 

[Brightbird]

So I couldn't find the new, longer video, but I did find this of the sheriff stating he had seen it, and it does contain the girl punching the officer. Apparently the other video is shot from a different vantage point and might make it clear the girl flipped the chair, not the cop. But again I don't know. The sheriff isn't letting the cop off the hook, and is waiting for an internal affairs investigation.

Really, it's quite a wonder her neck isn't broken.

[video=youtube;0tU9WZG5mXg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tU9WZG5mXg[/video]

Can't say I blame her for punching him. He'd already put his arm around her neck and slid his hand under her leg.

 

[JeannaT]

There's a correct way to challenge authority?

Yes. There's a correct way to challenge authority. I don't know if you are kidding with that question. If she didn't think she should have to put her cell phone away, she could have said "i'm so sorry, can I go out in the hall? This is an emergency call from my mom" (if in fact it was) Then, when the admin came in, apologize and say she's put her phone away now and sorry for being a disruption, and if he still wants to talk to her in the hall, that's fine. And then certainly when the cop tells her to get up, get up and then later take it up with the principal/counselor as to what happened. People challenge authority all the time, and win, but you can't just sit there and bluntly refuse to move when told to, by someone with legitimate authority. And then you certainly can't punch them.

 

[DexterMorgan]

He should have had a female cop come by to facilitate this matter. But men shouldn't be allowed to body slam teen females. Jmo

 

[RANCH]

Teaching kids they have to do everything an adult tells them to do is setting them up. JMO.

I never said that kids should do everything an adult tells them.

 

[bluesneakers]

I have no idea who Lt G is. It appears that using GI Joe is an affectionate name and not a disparaging one.

The name variation you applied to deputy Fields was a disparaging one IMO.

In your opinion.

I didn't give him the nickname, and I've seen people use far worse terms when discussing people who have used physical force.

 

[vestigare]

Teaching kids how not be molested is a subject for a different thread.

You said children are fine not being taught to question authority.
I gave you one one very huge example of how they are preyed upon when they don't question authority or their elders.
It isn't about teaching them not to be molested. It is about giving them confidence and the safety to make decisions regarding their own autonomy regardless of who asks them to do something.

 

[bluesneakers]

Can't say I blame her for punching him. He'd already put his arm around her neck and slid his hand under her leg.

I don't blame her for that either. I think it's natural to attempt to defend yourself from a physical threat.

 

[vestigare]

This isn't a discussion about my parents. You also grossly misunderstood this entire discussion.

Really? Your parents would have supported you in refusal to put away your cell phone, and then when you wouldn't do that, and an administrator had to be called to come get you, and you refused to get up out of your chair for the administrator, and then the Resource officer arrived and said get up and come on out into the hallway, and you still refused to do that, your parents would have backed you in not complying with the instructions of the teacher, the administrator and the cop? I understand your reaction to the cop's very physical restraint of her, but your parents would have backed you in all the behaviors she did BEFORE the cop pulled her out of the chair? My parents would have died if I thought that was an okay way to act. What would happen if all the students just decided they didn't have to follow any of the rules and could decide for themselves when to comply with authority's legitimate requests? How long did this whole incident take? Maybe 20+ minutes while that girl sat there refusing to do what she was asked to do?

 

[JeannaT]

He should have had a female cop come by to facilitate this matter. But men shouldn't be allowed to body slam teen females. Jmo

Do they have a female cop in this school? I don't know. I think he was called to tell her to get up out of her chair, and that works with about 95% of kids. A cop tells you get up and come out into the hallway and you do it. I don't think he was called to pull her out - and no one expected it to get so physical. What probably would have been safer is if the other cop came also, and each took an arm under the armpit and pulled her up, but I don't know. She seemed wrapped around that desk and willing to fight being escorted out of the classroom.

I was saddened by the student who stood up for her, who said she was the new girl who "has no one". It's likely she has no idea whatsoever how to get along and behave in an expected way. Sad.

 

[KaaBoom]

I never acted like that when I was a teenager because I was taught that it was wrong to disobey my teachers and police.

In other words I was taught to do the right things and not wrong or dumb things.

I'm sure this student did have her reasons. I place them in the "dumb" category. JMO

I did act like that when I was in school. But they never called the cops on me. They just gave me after school detention, and sometimes they would call my parents in to discuss the matter.

 

[RANCH]

You said children are fine not being taught to question authority.
I gave you one one very huge example of how they are preyed upon when they don't question authority or their elders.
It isn't about teaching them not to be molested. It is about giving them confidence and the safety to make decisions regarding their own autonomy regardless of who asks them to do something.

I think that kids can be taught to be safe and at the same time be taught to respect authority like their teachers. JMO