Science is not biased (in unbiased hands)

[coastal]

Yes, Dina's expert Dr. Bove inspected the actual scene at Spreckels.

Dr. Bove's report from an article in UT San Diego -

http://media.utsandiego.com/news/documents/2012/08/06/Dr.Bove_Report.pdf

Thank you but that was not my question. My question was, rather, in response to your staatement just before, which was:

Originally Posted by MyBelle
The story makes it clear Jonah did not deny access to the Zahau experts. Dina's experts obtained access. Time to stop blaming others for their failure to get it done.

I asked:
Originally Posted by coastal
Dina's experts investigated Rebecca's death from inside Jonah's house? I have never heard this. Link please?

Just to be clear.

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you but that was not my question. My question was, rather, in response to your staatement just before, which was:

Originally Posted by MyBelle
The story makes it clear Jonah did not deny access to the Zahau experts. Dina's experts obtained access. Time to stop blaming others for their failure to get it done.

I asked:
Originally Posted by coastal
Dina's experts investigated Rebecca's death from inside Jonah's house? I have never heard this. Link please?

Just to be clear.

Just to be clear, Lash and I both provided the same link. Dr. Bove was one of Dina's experts.

 

[coastal]

Just to be clear, Lash and I both provided the same link. Dr. Bove was one of Dina's experts.

Yes, I got that. However, he did not investigate Rebecca's murder.
In other words, Dina's experts accessed Jonah's house in order to investigate Maxie's death. And Rebecca's family (and their lawyers and investigators) was not allowed the same access to the scene of their loved one's death unless accompanied by SDSOs, who refused to escort them there.

 

[screecher]

^ not only did Dina, along with her enablers, check out Maxie's accident site, they also checked out Rebecca's murdering sites.
IMOO.

 

[inthedark14]

Just to be clear, Lash and I both provided the same link. Dr. Bove was one of Dina's experts.

Yes, the link the led to a site owned by a defendant in the wrongful death suit. Just to be clear. The link Lash provided was from MSM. Just to be clear.

Yes, I got that. However, he did not investigate Rebecca's murder.
In other words, Dina's experts accessed Jonah's house in order to investigate Maxie's death. And Rebecca's family (and their lawyers and investigators) was not allowed the same access to the scene of their loved one's death unless accompanied by SDSOs, who refused to escort them there.

Does anyone know if SDSO accompanied DS' experts for their investigation?

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, I got that. However, he did not investigate Rebecca's murder.
In other words, Dina's experts accessed Jonah's house in order to investigate Maxie's death. And Rebecca's family (and their lawyers and investigators) was not allowed the same access to the scene of their loved one's death unless accompanied by SDSOs, who refused to escort them there.

I never suggested he investigated RZ's murder. I responded to your posting requesting a link. If you want to claim as a fact that the experts for RZ's family were not accompanied by the SDSO, you also need to provide a link.

Originally Posted by coastal
Dina's experts investigated Rebecca's death from inside Jonah's house? I have never heard this. Link please?

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, the link the led to a site owned by a defendant in the wrongful death suit. Just to be clear. The link Lash provided was from MSM. Just to be clear.



Does anyone know if SDSO accompanied DS' experts for their investigation?

Just to be clear, the links were to the same report by the same person, Dr. Bove.

:seeya:

 

[inthedark14]

Just to be clear, the links were to the same report by the same person, Dr. Bove.

:seeya:

Just to be clear, I totally agree with you. (YAY! :angel

I just wanted to state that although the reports appear to be the same, one is from a site owned by a defendant in the wrongful lawsuit filed by the Estate of Rebecca Zahau, et all and the other is a MSM link. Site owners have access to the IP addresses of those who visit their sites.

:twocents:

 

[Betty P]

I didn't say LE got their feelings hurt. I said the family had themselves to blame. Accusations of collusion and cover-ups are accusations of crimes. The family does not reside in San Diego County so they sure don't pay for the several law enforcement agencies at whom they lobbed baseless accusations.

Its this kind of exceptionalism and sense of entitlement that make me think this case should also be tried as a racial crime.

Wealthy people sho feel entitled to walk away from muder and other crimes are white trash, thebottom rung on the social ladder.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Its this kind of exceptionalism and sense of entitlement that make me think this case should also be tried as a racial crime.

Wealthy people sho feel entitled to walk away from muder and other crimes are white trash, thebottom rung on the social ladder.

What specifically about that post made you think that? I don't understand.

 

[bourne]

What specifically about that post made you think that? I don't understand.

How about a poster's opinion that if you are a visitor to another state such as San Diego, you have no rights to question SDLE when they claim that your relative committed suicide even though you are a U.S. citizen and pay taxes in your residential state? And that if you did question the ruling of suicide made by SDLE, because you're a visitor to the state, you've then forfeited your right to obtain a fair hearing and investigation. In other words, your socioeconomic and residency status within a state determines whether you and your dead relative receive *due process* under the law. Understand?

 

[MyBelle]

Its this kind of exceptionalism and sense of entitlement that make me think this case should also be tried as a racial crime.

Wealthy people sho feel entitled to walk away from muder and other crimes are white trash, thebottom rung on the social ladder.

Your posting doesn't make sense to me. There is nothing racial about this case. There has been no criminal charge of murder or anything else and I'm sure the investigators were not all "wealthy white trash."

 

[IQuestion]

BBM. You are absolutely right. But even without being criticized, only a fool would believe an LE agency is required to spend taxpayer-funded resources such as providing staff to over-see an effort to prove the SDSO was wrong.
JMO

BBM and enlarged by me.
MyBelle....you rang?

I am not a fool for believing an LE agency should be required to spend taxpayer-funded resources such as providing staff to oversee an effort to prove the SDSO was wrong.....
AS-A-MATTER-OF-FACT it is done all the time. All LE agencies are subject to oversite and are required to assist, even if the effort is to prove they are wrong or acted inappropriately. All internal investigations are funded by taxpayer dollars.
Police are often called to "standby or escort" people off/into buildings and residences. Sometimes they "standby" in instances of past domestic violence when a spouse moves out of the residence, or a tenant is being evicted....even if the law enforcement agency has previously been criticized by one of the parties.
The Dept of Justice even has a booklet on it that one can read: http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-p164-pub.pdf
Employees who in bad faith attempt to dissuade complainants from
filing a complaint or who attempt to convince a complainant to withdraw
his or her complaint should be subject to discipline.
Are you suggesting a person who lodges a complaint should not expect/receive police cooperation....hmmmm? The Department of Justice would disagree....and don't consider themselves fools.

 

[*Lash*]

Thank you but that was not my question. My question was, rather, in response to your staatement just before, which was:

Originally Posted by MyBelle
The story makes it clear Jonah did not deny access to the Zahau experts. Dina's experts obtained access. Time to stop blaming others for their failure to get it done.

I asked:
Originally Posted by coastal
Dina's experts investigated Rebecca's death from inside Jonah's house? I have never heard this. Link please?

Just to be clear.

Sorry Coastal, I misread your previous question :blushing:

To my knowledge Dina's experts did not investigate Rebecca's murder. However if they did, I doubt that tidbit would be made public. Dina has complained that Jonah received RZ's file and she did not. Since Jonah allegedly has the file, did he share it with Dina or maybe Jonah hired his own experts to investigate RZ's death? Regardless, I don't think Jonah or Dina would share this info unless it comes to light during the WDS proceedings.

 

[kittychi]

Its this kind of exceptionalism and sense of entitlement that make me think this case should also be tried as a racial crime.

Wealthy people sho feel entitled to walk away from muder and other crimes are white trash, thebottom rung on the social ladder.

BBM - It has occurred to me in the past that there could have been a racial component to the negligence in treating Rebecca's dead body with dignity.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

There *may* be racial components, but I still don't know what socioeconomics or race have anything to do with Mybelle's explanation with regard to out of state LE obligation.

 

[DeDee]

I wonder if this means Dina and her gang were allowed to traverse through the Spreckels mansion WITHOUT SDLE chaperones?

If true, Jonah's mandated requirements for SDLE to accompany Anne Bremner are distastefully biased and discriminatory against the Zahaus. And I would then have to question, WHY was Jonah so reluctant for the Zahaus/Anne Bremner from investigating both Max's accident and Rebecca's murder at the Spreckels mansion? What was he hiding?

If JS was being prudently discriminate toward the Z team by stipulating SDSO escort, perhaps it is bc he owes them nothing. Their loved one, RZ, was responsible for keeping a watchful eye over his 6yo son and she failed miserably when his son died while in her care. JS owes them nothing in return for that fact. Then, she has the audacity to hang herself at his Coranado mansion costing him additional untold pain and anguish instead of her just moving out and into the home someone here claims she possessed.

Oh. So they were accused of a cover-up. Golly Gee. That STILL does not hold water. Nor does the flim-flam excuse " family does not reside in San Diego County" hold up. Nor does your rationalization "they sure don't pay for the several law enforcement agencies". WOW. Your assertions are beyond being absurd. :floorlaugh:

So, let me get your reasoning straight. Because XYZ family live elsewhere and do not pay taxes in CA or San Diego, LE will not aid EYZ's family. Do you realize how absurd, like :floorlaugh: absurd, your statement reads? One doesn't need ANY degree in science to come to the conclusion, your reasoning is flawed.

Golly Gee.

Well, does it make you feel more powerful to accuse someone's reasoning as being flawed and their opinions absurd? It may be sarcastic and disrespectful attacks such as this that got the suicide thread locked. And it was the only RZ thread I felt comfortable posting on.

My sincere apologies go to cynic for not following the subject of his thread.

 

[*Lash*]

• FAQ Number 4

Were there prints and DNA on the knives?

The small knife had Rebecca’s DNA, and only Rebecca’s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca’s fingerprints, and only Rebecca’s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison.


http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

 

[Zinn]

• FAQ Number 4

Were there prints and DNA on the knives?

The small knife had Rebecca’s DNA, and only Rebecca’s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca’s fingerprints, and only Rebecca’s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison.


http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

These knives were said to be from the kitchen, correct? So is it reasonable to expect these knives should have had fingerprints from being put away after washing plus fingerprints from being carried from the kitchen and perhaps fingerprints from whatever they were used for after they were transported upstairs? I am most struck by the lack of any fingerprints on one of the knives coupled with Rebecca's DNA on that same knife. Did LE specify what type of DNA it was? Blood, skin, something else? I don't recall. ETA: Was Rebecca's DNA found on the handle, the blade or both?

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[*Lash*]

These knives were said to be from the kitchen, correct? So is it reasonable to expect these knives should have had fingerprints from being put away after washing plus fingerprints from being carried from the kitchen and perhaps fingerprints from whatever they were used for after they were transported upstairs? I am most struck by the lack of any fingerprints on one of the knives coupled with Rebecca's DNA on that same knife. Did LE specify what type of DNA it was? Blood, skin, something else? I don't recall. ETA: Was Rebecca's DNA found on the handle, the blade or both?

All of the above is just my opinion.

I don't understand it either. If RZ was wearing gloves, it could easily be explained. Gloves were found, but she couldn't have been wearing gloves the entire time since one knife was found with her prints. It doesn't make sense because she had to first pick and remove both knives then carrying them upstairs. So how does one knife end up with fingerprints and the other none? I highly doubt she wiped off her own fingerprints if she wanted to stage a murder scene. In my opinion, RZ's fingerprints were forcibly planted on the one knife.