Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #6

[RickshawFan]

Shank-proof toothbrushes= sex toys, ummm okay. :laugh: Remember she needs both hands too. Maybe she saved up and used all ten of them at once. :shame:




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All because she gave up on using her pet mouse for that ahem purpose. No amount of conniving could convince the mouse.

 

[TexMex]

Just to follow up on the shaving pic, this is the pics reversed, take a good look at his hair and compare whether you think they were taken in the same time frame.

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The shaving pic was from January IIRC from testimony.

She told Flores in interrogation video "it took a lot of convincing prior, while he was shaving" to talk Travis into the shower photo session. This was when she's going with the ninja story.

When she changed to self defense story she knew it would look bad to have it being her convincing him to do the photos so she tries to tell Juan it took a lot of convincing prior to get him to do the shaving pics in January.

Juan pointed out in the last pic of Travis's face he looked clean shaven and that she said that during their sexual encounter she had complained that his face was rough because he hadn't shaved. So Juan got her. He hadn't shaved prior to sex at 1:30 but by 5:30 he's clean shaven. So Juan pointed out she must have badgered him into the shower pics while he was shaving on June 4.
She fought him hard. She kept claiming the pics were his idea to show off his body and weight loss, then he snapped when she dropped the camera

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I am starting to believe that Jodi might have thought Lisa was just a "side chick," and not a woman that Travis was actually in love with and wanted to marry. I don't think she knew the seriousness of his feelings for Lisa until she stole the journals and read the May email he'd composed for Lisa.

AND

I agree that she knew about Lisa. She met Lisa in May 2007, but she didn't know that Lisa was any different from any of the other women, like Chiatanya, etc.





IMO the only way the could possibly have thought Lisa was no different is if she didn't snoop his texts and emails and journals all along, and I'm quite sure she did.

Even Travis the trusting acknowledged, in April 2008, that the had been invading his privacy in those specific ways for a whole year. And even the lying liar wrote in her own journal in fall 2007 that she kept on “finding” info about Travis, “horrible” stuff, that justified her suspicions about him, and her “insecurity” about how he actually felt about her.

Travis joked with other women about making babies and the like, but he didn't talk with them about marrying. He didn't routinely say I love you to them. The knew the difference. That's why she slashed his tires, and then Lisa's too. And why she sent Lisa that vile email and stalked them on dates.

And IMO, knowing that Travis loved Lisa was one of her motivations for throwing herself full force at him sexually, especially in January and early February, when marriage to Lisa was very much on the table. I think she did so to show him what he wouldn’t get with the inexperienced and good Mormon Lisa, and because IMO she knowingly used sex as a weapon against Travis, to make him feel self-doubt, guilt, self-loathing, and overall--weakened by his lack of resolve, and unworthy.

I agree she probably felt victorious when Travis broke it off with Lisa in February for the final time. But....she also knew, if she was snooping, that Travis was already pursuing Mimi BEFORE he broke off with Lisa, and that Sky and Chris were thrilled with his choice of Mimi.

The closely monitored the Mimi situation to see how much a threat she posed, including lying in wait for Travis after his rock climbing date, and keeping track of how many dates Travis had taken Mimi on. Whatever Travis may have written about Lisa or Mimi in his first stolen journal, the almost certainly read every last word, since she definitely had his journal in her possession mid-March, at the OKC convention, the same journal she stole altogether on March 18.

I concluded a while ago that the likely wrote most of her March journal entries after the fact. What she wrote so understates and ignores the emotional reality of what was going on as to be unbelievable, or, downright scary, because of the rage her bland entries completely concealed.

Everything she had done and said and sacrificed and plotted since the fall of 2006 had failed. The has a definite aptitude for creating her own reality, but even with her gift for delusion she’d have to spin hard to make Travis asking her to leave Mesa and no longer being willing to help her financially as anything other than what it was---a rejection. Travis not only wasn’t going to marry her, he was perfectly fine—happy, even, that she’d be living 1,000 away.

By the last week in March she'd concluded, rightly so, that Mimi wasn't going to be "the One." I think it's likely she thought Travis had already given up on Mimi by then (she quotes TA's journal, basically, saying just that). Much of what she wrote (and said) about Mimi before and after killing Travis mocks Travis for his ever calling her the One. In any case, I don’t think the ever felt threatened by Mimi, because I don’t think she believed Travis ever had any chance of marrying her.
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I think Travis wrote at the end of March about Lisa and about needing the out of town knowing the would read it, and that she wrote a goodbye in his journal as a way of saying she had done so. I think the fight they had on her way out of town when Michelle the Spy came up was about Travis telling her thanks for the memories, but I need to get married now, you do too, it'll be better for both of us when you're gone, and I still think Mimi is the One.


The one thing that JA kept repeating and kept going back to in her explanations was how she found about how he'd been seeing Lisa "all along" after he and Lisa had broken up. She wears that statement like an excuse or pity badge. I don't know about the listening in the house thing, but if it happened, maybe Travis got her to believe something different about what she'd heard.


IMO, Travis had no motivation or interest in lying about or downplaying his interest in Lisa to the . Why would he? He had told the he wasn’t interested in a relationship. He had made it exceptionally clear to her that he did not want her to move to Mesa. He was dating Lisa openly, talking openly to his friends about Lisa, even talking to his bishop about Lisa, openly. Everyone around him seems to have known that Travis was dating with marriage in mind. He was dating Lisa. He was not dating the .

I think the reality is closer to what the wrote in her journal in the fall of 2007 (whatever else she was trying to imply): that Travis didn’t want to talk with her directly about Lisa or anyone else he might date, because she had “become like Deanna,” getting extremely upset when she knew Travis was interested in someone else. (The must have snooped Travis telling someone something like that, probably not mentioning Deanna at all, because she also writes that it’s a good thing Travis didn’t tell her that directly, because it would have pissed her off).

Her walking in on Travis and Lisa embracing and sharing I love you’s comes directly from Travis, texting with Michelle in the beginning of April. Travis also tells Michelle that what bothered him most about the walking in on him (and her other Lisa-related intrusions) was that the was causing HERSELF pain and hurt feelings.

The did carry on and on in every medium available to her before and after murdering Travis that she did NOT know about Lisa until the very eve of leaving Mesa. Utter BS, for the reasons above and more. Why was she so prolific with this particular lie, and so insistent that her lie was true?

Two reasons. IMO---if she didn’t even know about Lisa, she couldn’t be responsible for tire slashings, stalkings, mean texts, and that vile email, etc.

And, secondly, because her lie targeted Lisa in the same lying breath of feigning empathy with her. The was saying—Travis didn’t feel anything special for you, Lisa, because he cheated on you with me the entire time the two of you were together. And I’m just as much a victim as you in that, because just as you didn’t know about ME, I didn’t know about YOU either. We were both victims of Travis, who didn’t love either one of us.


But then the May 2008 email to Lisa lets JA know that she hadn't outlasted Lisa at all, and Travis was really and actually in love with Lisa. Wow. That had to be some pain to read and realize.



The May letter to Lisa. Travis used the past tense... that the had taken/deleted a letter (email) he had SENT to Lisa. Who knows what was actually in the letter. What he did NOT write was a declaration of love for Lisa. He was being respectful of her decision to date someone else, didn't want to spook her, and most importantly, IMO, had indicated he was ready to move on too, after he cleared the air with her. He even joked about wanting to become rich and famous just so his ex-GF's, including Lisa, would regret their bad decision not to stay with him.


No wonder she wasn't journaling in April. She was too busy obsessing over his words in his journal, probably checking the facts against texts and emails. All the while, she was getting more and more angry. Travis probably thought maybe she didn't have the journal because she was still acting all peachy keen.


Who knows if she was keeping a journal in April. She kept and/or manufactured only what she wanted LE to read.

Personally, I think she was already borderline homicidal when she left Mesa, and was pretty occupied most of April and the first 2 weeks of May manufacturing a written, online, and on-tape bogus record of Travis relentlessly in sexual pursuit of her, and so besotten with her that the mere mention of another man’s name by her drove him into a jealous frenzy.

I think it was in the September journal that she wrote of making her own reality, and then she wrote what if what if?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

All because she gave up on using her pet mouse for that ahem purpose. No amount of conniving could convince the mouse.

I love the mice cartoons that Troy Pitttman does. She thinks the mouse is a gerbil?? LMAO

 

[geevee]

Or left the book on the nightstand?

We may have a winner!

 

[Hope4More]

The shaving pic was from January IIRC from testimony.

She told Flores in interrogation video "it took a lot of convincing prior, while he was shaving" to talk Travis into the shower photo session. This was when she's going with the ninja story.

When she changed to self defense story she knew it would look bad to have it being her convincing him to do the photos so she tries to tell Juan it took a lot of convincing prior to get him to do the shaving pics in January.

Juan pointed out in the last pic of Travis's face he looked clean shaven and that she said that during their sexual encounter she had complained that his face was rough because he hadn't shaved. So Juan got her. He hadn't shaved prior to sex at 1:30 but by 5:30 he's clean shaven. So Juan pointed out she must have badgered him into the shower pics while he was shaving on June 4.
She fought him hard. She kept claiming the pics were his idea to show off his body and weight loss, then he snapped when she dropped the camera

Or.......he shaved when he woke up, they never had sex, she didn't try to talk him into the shower pics because she knew he'd never agree, or.....pick and choose from the above.

 

[geevee]

Just to follow up on the shaving pic, this is the pics reversed, take a good look at his hair and compare whether you think they were taken in the same time frame.

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I thought she said he had put the shaving pic up on his My Space page? Not that she's a font of veracity but I do recall having seen a date for that pic, wish I could recall it now but can't. It was reversed right, because the shower is on the wrong side of his bathroom in the original pic we've seen?

 

[Hope4More]

I thought she said he had put the shaving pic up on his My Space page? Not that she's a font of veracity but I do recall having seen a date for that pic, wish I could recall it now but can't. It was reversed right, because the shower is on the wrong side of his bathroom in the original pic we've seen?

Travis did have this shaving photo on his MySpace profile page.

What's creepy is the telling him in APRIL that she wasn't satisfied with the photo and wanted to do another "photo shoot" of him shaving.

 

[wasnt_me]

I am starting to believe that Jodi might have thought Lisa was just a "side chick," and not a woman that Travis was actually in love with and wanted to marry. I don't think she knew the seriousness of his feelings for Lisa until she stole the journals and read the May email he'd composed for Lisa.

AND

I agree that she knew about Lisa. She met Lisa in May 2007, but she didn't know that Lisa was any different from any of the other women, like Chiatanya, etc.





IMO the only way the could possibly have thought Lisa was no different is if she didn't snoop his texts and emails and journals all along, and I'm quite sure she did.

Even Travis the trusting acknowledged, in April 2008, that the had been invading his privacy in those specific ways for a whole year. And even the lying liar wrote in her own journal in fall 2007 that she kept on “finding” info about Travis, “horrible” stuff, that justified her suspicions about him, and her “insecurity” about how he actually felt about her.

Travis joked with other women about making babies and the like, but he didn't talk with them about marrying. He didn't routinely say I love you to them. The knew the difference. That's why she slashed his tires, and then Lisa's too. And why she sent Lisa that vile email and stalked them on dates.

And IMO, knowing that Travis loved Lisa was one of her motivations for throwing herself full force at him sexually, especially in January and early February, when marriage to Lisa was very much on the table. I think she did so to show him what he wouldn’t get with the inexperienced and good Mormon Lisa, and because IMO she knowingly used sex as a weapon against Travis, to make him feel self-doubt, guilt, self-loathing, and overall--weakened by his lack of resolve, and unworthy.

I agree she probably felt victorious when Travis broke it off with Lisa in February for the final time. But....she also knew, if she was snooping, that Travis was already pursuing Mimi BEFORE he broke off with Lisa, and that Sky and Chris were thrilled with his choice of Mimi.

The closely monitored the Mimi situation to see how much a threat she posed, including lying in wait for Travis after his rock climbing date, and keeping track of how many dates Travis had taken Mimi on. Whatever Travis may have written about Lisa or Mimi in his first stolen journal, the almost certainly read every last word, since she definitely had his journal in her possession mid-March, at the OKC convention, the same journal she stole altogether on March 18.

I concluded a while ago that the likely wrote most of her March journal entries after the fact. What she wrote so understates and ignores the emotional reality of what was going on as to be unbelievable, or, downright scary, because of the rage her bland entries completely concealed.

Everything she had done and said and sacrificed and plotted since the fall of 2006 had failed. The has a definite aptitude for creating her own reality, but even with her gift for delusion she’d have to spin hard to make Travis asking her to leave Mesa and no longer being willing to help her financially as anything other than what it was---a rejection. Travis not only wasn’t going to marry her, he was perfectly fine—happy, even, that she’d be living 1,000 away.

By the last week in March she'd concluded, rightly so, that Mimi wasn't going to be "the One." I think it's likely she thought Travis had already given up on Mimi by then (she quotes TA's journal, basically, saying just that). Much of what she wrote (and said) about Mimi before and after killing Travis mocks Travis for his ever calling her the One. In any case, I don’t think the ever felt threatened by Mimi, because I don’t think she believed Travis ever had any chance of marrying her.
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I think Travis wrote at the end of March about Lisa and about needing the out of town knowing the would read it, and that she wrote a goodbye in his journal as a way of saying she had done so. I think the fight they had on her way out of town when Michelle the Spy came up was about Travis telling her thanks for the memories, but I need to get married now, you do too, it'll be better for both of us when you're gone, and I still think Mimi is the One.


The one thing that JA kept repeating and kept going back to in her explanations was how she found about how he'd been seeing Lisa "all along" after he and Lisa had broken up. She wears that statement like an excuse or pity badge. I don't know about the listening in the house thing, but if it happened, maybe Travis got her to believe something different about what she'd heard.


IMO, Travis had no motivation or interest in lying about or downplaying his interest in Lisa to the . Why would he? He had told the he wasn’t interested in a relationship. He had made it exceptionally clear to her that he did not want her to move to Mesa. He was dating Lisa openly, talking openly to his friends about Lisa, even talking to his bishop about Lisa, openly. Everyone around him seems to have known that Travis was dating with marriage in mind. He was dating Lisa. He was not dating the .

I think the reality is closer to what the wrote in her journal in the fall of 2007 (whatever else she was trying to imply): that Travis didn’t want to talk with her directly about Lisa or anyone else he might date, because she had “become like Deanna,” getting extremely upset when she knew Travis was interested in someone else. (The must have snooped Travis telling someone something like that, probably not mentioning Deanna at all, because she also writes that it’s a good thing Travis didn’t tell her that directly, because it would have pissed her off).

Her walking in on Travis and Lisa embracing and sharing I love you’s comes directly from Travis, texting with Michelle in the beginning of April. Travis also tells Michelle that what bothered him most about the walking in on him (and her other Lisa-related intrusions) was that the was causing HERSELF pain and hurt feelings.

The did carry on and on in every medium available to her before and after murdering Travis that she did NOT know about Lisa until the very eve of leaving Mesa. Utter BS, for the reasons above and more. Why was she so prolific with this particular lie, and so insistent that her lie was true?

Two reasons. IMO---if she didn’t even know about Lisa, she couldn’t be responsible for tire slashings, stalkings, mean texts, and that vile email, etc.

And, secondly, because her lie targeted Lisa in the same lying breath of feigning empathy with her. The was saying—Travis didn’t feel anything special for you, Lisa, because he cheated on you with me the entire time the two of you were together. And I’m just as much a victim as you in that, because just as you didn’t know about ME, I didn’t know about YOU either. We were both victims of Travis, who didn’t love either one of us.


But then the May 2008 email to Lisa lets JA know that she hadn't outlasted Lisa at all, and Travis was really and actually in love with Lisa. Wow. That had to be some pain to read and realize.



The May letter to Lisa. Travis used the past tense... that the had taken/deleted a letter (email) he had SENT to Lisa. Who knows what was actually in the letter. What he did NOT write was a declaration of love for Lisa. He was being respectful of her decision to date someone else, didn't want to spook her, and most importantly, IMO, had indicated he was ready to move on too, after he cleared the air with her. He even joked about wanting to become rich and famous just so his ex-GF's, including Lisa, would regret their bad decision not to stay with him.


No wonder she wasn't journaling in April. She was too busy obsessing over his words in his journal, probably checking the facts against texts and emails. All the while, she was getting more and more angry. Travis probably thought maybe she didn't have the journal because she was still acting all peachy keen.


Who knows if she was keeping a journal in April. She kept and/or manufactured only what she wanted LE to read.

Personally, I think she was already borderline homicidal when she left Mesa, and was pretty occupied most of April and the first 2 weeks of May manufacturing a written, online, and on-tape bogus record of Travis relentlessly in sexual pursuit of her, and so besotten with her that the mere mention of another man’s name by her drove him into a jealous frenzy.

You have every right to interpret the information any way you want. I will do the same.

 

[wasnt_me]

I have that pic lol:

Yes, Yes! Thank you, Geeve.

I can always count n you! That looks to me like a barefoot right footprint. What day of Trial was this presented?

Are these two different stains or the same one? I thought there was just one, but these two look very different from each other.

 

[AdMademoiselle]

Just to follow up on the shaving pic, this is the pics reversed, take a good look at his hair and compare whether you think they were taken in the same time frame.

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Looks like the goddess retouched T's lips in the study pic.

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't doubt that it's dried blood, my main question is, what's it doing next to his bed, and also without any more of them (if foot prints) leading to it? Maybe after she cleaned up she went over there to get something (purse?) and dropped something that was 'wet'?

That's a good guess. Maybe so. I wonder where it is in relation to the bed. I assumed it was at the foot of the bed on the side. I was thinking she'd gotten it on there while making the bed, but you are right. With no other trails or indication of trying to clean trails, how would one lone footprint get there? It could be that she dropped something and didn't bother to try to clean it at that point because it wasn't a stain that would lead back to her, so it didn't matter.

To clarify, from her interrogation:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias/page3

"June 25, 2008 – Phone Call – States Exhibit #308 Clip 10 – Day 4 Trial Testimony _ Detective Flores

42:11
DF: What did you do then the whole time you were down here then? You just kind of tried to work?
JA: Um…I…Yeah! I guess I figured, you know, like maybe this is the Mormon land of opportunity. Honestly? That’s kind of the way I looked at it? (laughs)

June 25, 2008 – Phone Interview. States Exhibit #306 Clip 12 – Day 4 Trial Testimony – Detective Flores

42:28
DF: So you just kind of hung around town doing your thing until April or so, whenever you left?
JA: Yeah, I hung around. I was in the University 6 Ward—went there. He was in his Desert Ridge Ward and we…We didn’t live that far apart. So, I mean, I was over there a lot—um…not a lot lot because he had his own social circle friends from church that I didn’t really want to interact with (Jodi laughs) because I…I sensed that maybe there was a little bit of awkwardness there because of Lisa and because of Elena (sp?) and I didn’t…"

To me, this was talking about her hanging out at his house. She starts out talking about the ward, but it seems that when she said "we didn't live that far apart," she seems--to me anyway--to shift to talking about his house. It "seems" that she was saying that they were in different wards, even though they didn't live that far part, but she was over there (at his house, not ward) a lot -- but not a lot -- because he had his own church friends that she didn't interact with. And she didn't interact with them because she sensed there was a bit of awkwardness due to Lisa and Elena.

That's how I interpret the response. I also have to take the answer with a grain of salt because it's post-murder and post her finding out a lot things she didn't know prior to the murder. This reminds me of her "Took a lot of convincing, prior, when he was shaving," musings where she wanders from one topic to another.

Lisa and Travis broke up three times from end of September to end of February. And if Lisa has her dates correct on the stand, for about two months of that time. In addition, Travis seemed to cool on the relationship and be "busy" a lot of times after V-day. they were broken up from September 23 through at least October 16th. I give it that time period because she said they'd both been traveling, but she didn't know where TA had gone. He'd gone to the balloon festival thing with Jodi around October 13th. I'm gonna guess it was that week or week after that they got back together, which makes it about a month-long breakup.

One breakup occurred a month to six weeks later at end of Nov/beginning December 2007. I can't tell when they reconciled again, but it seemed they were headed back that way around Christmas. About 6 weeks or so later, TA took up this interest in Mimi.

TA was spending time with JA during the on/off periods with Lisa. I don't think JA was able to continuously and constantly hack into his email, facebook, or text messages because, if she had been, this would have come to a head a lot sooner than it did, considering some of the exchanges he had with women besides Lisa.

What struck me about Lisa's testimony, is that when discussing TA cheating with JA, LA said, "Well, I had my suspicions." But she didn't know for a fact. Travis told her she had her information wrong and she got back together with him. She kept getting back together with him even though JA kept calling and texting. Why? It's because Travis was able to convince her--as well as JA-- of something different regarding his relationships with them.

Take his relationship with Chiatanya. He was able to talk to her about JA and get her to stay in the same hotel room with JA even though he'd had sexy texting and whatnot with each of them.

Just had a thought. JA shared that hotel room with Chaitanya during OKC, half way through March. I wonder if Chaitanya did tell JA some stuff after all, because right after that was when his journals went missing. Maybe Chaitanya wound up telling Jodi some things, JA stole the journals, and when she told TA all she knew, she had to make up the spy "michelle" to cover for it and possibly maintain her connection to Chaitanya.

I never thought it was a good idea for TA to have those two women sharing a room for days at conference. That was crazy. I don't believe Chaitanya would have just told all the business of Travis or whatever on purpose, but it's hard to believe JA didn't manipulate and try to pump her for information. Or pump anyone else at the conference for it. It seemed like she might have been roping Chaitanya in as she'd tried to do Skye Hughes. Another person she did that to without a doubt was Dan Freeman. She even spent V-day 2008 at the movies with him. Then has the nerve to write in the journal that she had to stop going over there because he was getting the wrong impression.

Just my random thoughts.

 

[wasnt_me]

I thought she said he had put the shaving pic up on his My Space page? Not that she's a font of veracity but I do recall having seen a date for that pic, wish I could recall it now but can't. It was reversed right, because the shower is on the wrong side of his bathroom in the original pic we've seen?

Yes, that's why I started talking about it. I remember that it was still on his myspace page when I learned about the case. That's why I believed JM was mistaken about it. I would think, and I could be wrong, that Skye or somebody who was watching the trial would have called JM's office and told someone if the picture hadn't been there for months and months before the murder.

I really don't know. It depends on how fast his hair can grow back. I see a 5 o'clock shadow. Here's a pic where he should be freshly shaved.

http://murderpedia.org/female.A/images/arias-jodi/jodi-arias-and-travis-2.jpg

But even here, I can still see the shadow. I read that it's best to shave after a shower when the warmth has opened the pores, but truly, there is nothing to say he didn't already have a shower and she convinced him to hop back in after he shaved and before getting dressed. The shower photos were not for an actual shower. He used no soap, no nothing. He wasn't motioning like he was cleaning himself in any shot and I believe the shower door was open the whole time because there is no steam or condensation in the pictures.

Then there's this one:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/static/images/stubble.jpg

I really don't know because listening to her train of thought for so long, I can see how she mixed the two topics up. I was going with her story because we have a factual shaving picture. But now, I just don't know. I have to listen to re-direct again. Oh, joy....

 

[wasnt_me]

Lie Alert. Lie Alert.

So I went back to the JA redirect.When discussing how she hurt her hand. She said on June 1st, she did it while working.with a Margarita glass. Well first, her journal mentions nothing about working on Sunday June 1st. The entry for that day is all about church and alibi. Plus, I thought she told jobs she couldn't work on Sundays? smh
Anyways, she said she took pics of the injuries on her phone.

KN--This would be the Helio phone we've been discussing earlier?

JA--Yes.

Uhm, so you had the stolen Helio on June 1st, Jodi? Or did the insurance indeed send a new phone?

It's about 9 minutes in on David Lohr's day 26.

When showed the pics, she changed the day to may 31st and then said it might be June 1st because of Greenwich time. There is no may 31st journal entry, but still....what is the deal. Did these pictures of the cuts to "whomever's" hand come from the stolen Helio phone or from the replacement Helio? I never heard any testimony regarding the replacement one.

 

[beccaraeee]

N



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[TexMex]

Lie Alert. Lie Alert.

So I went back to the JA redirect.When discussing how she hurt her hand. She said on June 1st, she did it while working.with a Margarita glass. Well first, her journal mentions nothing about working on Sunday June 1st. The entry for that day is all about church and alibi. Plus, I thought she told jobs she couldn't work on Sundays? smh
Anyways, she said she took pics of the injuries on her phone.

KN--This would be the Helio phone we've been discussing earlier?

JA--Yes.

Uhm, so you had the stolen Helio on June 1st, Jodi? Or did the insurance indeed send a new phone?

It's about 9 minutes in on David Lohr's day 26.

When showed the pics, she changed the day to may 31st and then said it might be June 1st because of Greenwich time. There is no may 31st journal entry, but still....what is the deal. Did these pictures of the cuts to "whomever's" hand come from the stolen Helio phone or from the replacement Helio? I never heard any testimony regarding the replacement one.

She either never lost the first Helio or got the replacement one very soon. She took her selfies on June 3rd via Helio phone

 

[Hope4More]

She either never lost the first Helio or got the replacement one very soon. She took her selfies on June 3rd via Helio phone

I think it's safe to say she never actually lost Helio #1. She reported it stolen May 18, but that doesn't even mean she had planted the sex tape on it yet.

There must have been 2 Helios, and you're right, she must have gotten her hands on a 2nd one fairly quickly, no later than May 31. She testified that the stolen Helio was replaced by (whatever) insurance company. Given how easy it would be for JM to disprove that if it were a lie, I assume she was actually telling the truth about that scam.


Evidence that there were actually 2 Helio's. IIRC, testimony by LE was that the Mesa PD never had possession of the Helio that had both the sex tape and the manufactured May 2 IM on it, but did examine the Helio with her June 3 selfies. Doesn't that by definition mean there were 2 Helios?

 

[Hope4More]

N



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:welcome:




"N" is the most cryptic post ever. Waiting for another clue..........

 

[geevee]

Yes, Yes! Thank you, Geeve.

I can always count n you! That looks to me like a barefoot right footprint. What day of Trial was this presented?

Are these two different stains or the same one? I thought there was just one, but these two look very different from each other.

You're welcome, WM. I have a hard time telling if it's one or two different ones, in the second the wood doesn't look that much like his bed frame (and can't be seen in the first pic) and the first one looks wider but could just be the angle. I enlarged the first one, I think it looks quite a bit like the shape of a foot. I do recall JM saying there wasn't any blood anywhere else in the room but Travis was too fastidious to leave a stain like that next to his bed and it was significant enough for the CSIs to photograph it with measuring equipment.

 

[TexMex]

You're welcome, WM. I have a hard time telling if it's one or two different ones, in the second the wood doesn't look that much like his bed frame (and can't be seen in the first pic) and the first one looks wider but could just be the angle. I enlarged the first one, I think it looks quite a bit like the shape of a foot. I do recall JM saying there wasn't any blood anywhere else in the room but Travis was too fastidious to leave a stain like that next to his bed and it was significant enough for the CSIs to photograph it with measuring equipment.

Maybe he was going to use his new floor cleaner on it? But if it was blood there would have been testimony on it and pics with a yellow evidence card. IMO they tested it and it turned out to be unrelated