Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

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Many of us on this forum are in general agreement with White_Rabitt as to what happened to SG.
What is mystifying is how nobody at the SCPD appears to have actively pursued this theory.

Remember PCH told SG's mother he had treated SG that night.

In agreement with White Rabbit as to what happened to SG.

Exactly WHAT is that. What happened to SG? regarding Hackett.
A phone call to the mother is NOT murder. A lie about the murder is not murder.
 
Yes, and John Ray’s objective, in representing SG, is to attempt to hold those parties responsible for her death. The SG 911 call is pertinent to the case, which is why he was ultimately awarded a copy of it, albeit w. a very explicit gag order…
So considering that Ray has heard the contents of the call, and KNOWS the information that was communicated on the call, his allegations re: specific individuals in relation to larger LISK case implies that her case is, in fact, connected to the larger LISK investigation.

I’m interested in the information provided by goodfellas with regard to the case of Shannan Gilbert, but it is not enough yet to influence me to believe Shannan Gilbert and the Gilgo Beach 4 were killed by the same person.

…And no matter which way you look at it, SG’s body was found in the same general area of the GB4.

To me Shannan Gilbert being found down the road is still incidental.


In agreement with White Rabbit as to what happened to SG.

Exactly WHAT is that. What happened to SG? regarding Hackett.
A phone call to the mother is NOT murder. A lie about the murder is not murder.

Hi goodfellas.. I’m very interested
In reading more of the information that you have.

You are correct about a phone call and lying about a murder is not murder, but it still is circumstantial evidence that implicates Peter Hackett.
 
Many of us on this forum are in general agreement with White_Rabitt as to what happened to SG.
What is mystifying is how nobody at the SCPD appears to have actively pursued this theory.

Remember PCH told SG's mother he had treated SG that night.
 
Many of us on this forum are in general agreement with White_Rabitt as to what happened to SG.
What is mystifying is how nobody at the SCPD appears to have actively pursued this theory.


Remember PCH told SG's mother he had treated SG that night.

Hi Windsor.. just to clarify Peter Hackett said, “ When you give..” and then stopped himself mid sentence in the 48 Hours interview. This was in response to a question asking why he contacted Mari Gilbert.
 
Mari Gilbert stated that she had been contacted by Peter Hackett a few days after May 1st, 2010. This was the call in which he asked about Shannan Gilbert's whereabouts and well-being (the "home for wayward girls" call). When later confronted about this call he denied it until it was proven that calls were made from his wife's phone, on or about the time that Mari Gilbert stated she had received the calls.

Thinking about these calls from the perspective of Peter Hackett conforms to my theory.

If he performed unauthorized medical treatments on Shannan Gilbert, and then released her into the care of Michael Pak (where she subsequently died from complications due to the treatment), it could be that he had no idea that Shannan was missing at the time he called Mari Gilbert, and when he discovered that she was in fact missing he denied calling, because he had already implicated himself.

My theory doesn't necessarily contradict the information provided by goodfellas. If the information goodfellas provided is accurate then Peter Hackett was at the gate with Joseph Brewer when Shannan Gilbert & Michael Pak arrived, but he was not necessarily with Shannan and Joseph Brewer in Brewer's Fairway residence afterwards.

Is there additional information that places Peter Hackett at Joseph Brewer's Fairway residence between the time Shannan arrived up until the time she eventually called 911?

The last place we know that Shannan Gilbert officially interacted with someone was when she knocked on Barbara Brennan's door.

Peter Hackett's house is literally minutes down the road from Barbara Brennan's, and it is logical that if Shannan was knocking door to door seeking help that she could end up knocking on Peter Hackett's door, shortly after Barbara Brennan's, and Michael Pak would only have to follow the road down Anchor way toward the Bayou, and ultimately to Larboard Court to catch up with Shannan.
 
Sadly after years on this forum, we are again coming back to many of the same observations and conclusions that were proposed early on. That is PCH was involved directly and MP was the last person to see SG alive. As well it appears that the Justice and the Law Enforcement system in Suffolk
County are lax, and quite possibly covering up.
Since the SCPD is still considering this an active case. Why don't they call Brewer, Pak and Hackett in for re-interviews with new detectives? It seems it is the least they could do with an 'active' case.
Anybody here think re-interviews would be a bad idea?
 
Maybe they have already done that, but who knows? The FBI has supposedly been involved in investigation for over four years. What’s come of that? Nothing that we know of. I wonder if the resignation of Geraldine Hart as SCPD Chief was due in part to hitting a wall from actually trying to make progress in investigation?
 
Maybe they have already done that, but who knows? The FBI has supposedly been involved in investigation for over four years. What’s come of that? Nothing that we know of. I wonder if the resignation of Geraldine Hart as SCPD Chief was due in part to hitting a wall from actually trying to make progress in investigation?

Wouldn't be wonderful if the FBI or the SCPD gave a public update.
 
Maybe they have already done that, but who knows? The FBI has supposedly been involved in investigation for over four years. What’s come of that? Nothing that we know of. I wonder if the resignation of Geraldine Hart as SCPD Chief was due in part to hitting a wall from actually trying to make progress in investigation?

At this point one would have to believe that whatever is revealed in solving the case of Shannan Gilbert is going to be extremely embarrassing to the SCPD at the very least, and possibly open SCPD up to civil liability.
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed but I took a break from this case for a bit. Weren't there no drugs found in Shannan's system? So did PH actually give her something to calm down? Or did he say that he did in case he was implicated in her death and it could then be seen as accidental?
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed but I took a break from this case for a bit. Weren't there no drugs found in Shannan's system? So did PH actually give her something to calm down? Or did he say that he did in case he was implicated in her death and it could then be seen as accidental?


No drugs were found in SG's body because of the length of time she had been dead and exposure of the remains to the elements. no way to prove if PCH gave her anything or not.
 
Watched the LISK movie the other night. Entertaining and the producers went to great length to say the movie was 'inspired' by real events.
https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80223927.
Only problem I see with the film, is it might give the impression that all is well on Long Island, as both Spota and Burke were charged by the FBI and went to jail. John Bittrolff was convicted and jailed for two related murders, and James Bissett the LI landscaper, a LISK suspect committed suicide.
 
Watched the LISK movie the other night. Entertaining and the producers went to great length to say the movie was 'inspired' by real events.
https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80223927.
Only problem I see with the film, is it might give the impression that all is well on Long Island, as both Spota and Burke were charged by the FBI and went to jail. John Bittrolff was convicted and jailed for two related murders, and James Bissett the LI landscaper, a LISK suspect committed suicide.

I also watched the movie on Netflix. The one scene that stuck with me was when Peter Hackett was being questioned in his home by I’m assuming it was Detective Varrone. He asked about the security camera footage and why it was never give to police, and Peter Hackett responded by saying something to the effect of they didn’t ask, and I shouldn’t have to tell your men how to do their jobs. I wonder if that was really said by Peter Hackett.
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed but I took a break from this case for a bit. Weren't there no drugs found in Shannan's system? So did PH actually give her something to calm down? Or did he say that he did in case he was implicated in her death and it could then be seen as accidental?

As Windsor stated it could never be determined if there were drugs in Shannan Gilbert system.

For some reason I am no longer able to find the clip of the following exchange between Peter Hackett and Erin Moriarty from 48 hours:

During an interview on 48 Hours Moriarty states to Peter Hackett, “You called Mari on your wife's cell phone on the third on that Monday when Mari said you called."

Peter Hackett is then quoted as saying, “Yeah, I'm sure I did. When you give ... look let me not get into it.”

Could he have been about to say, “medical assistance” or “medical treatment”?

I think the exchange is pretty damning to Peter Hackett.

I am going to do another thorough search to see if I can find the clip and post it here.
 
"48 Hours" uncovers missing escort Shannan Gilbert's final minutes

"There's nothing I can add that the police don't already know," said Dr. C. Peter Hackett, an Oak Beach resident and retired emergency services doctor who curiously inserted himself in the middle of the mystery - by calling Shannan's mother on May 3, 2010, two days after Shannan went missing.

"Peter Hackett told me that Shannan was at his house, that he ran a halfway house for people who wanted to get off the street and that Shannan was there," said Mari Gilbert.

Mari says during that phone call on May 3, Dr. Hackett told her that Shannan had left his house with her driver and that he was worried about her. But when Shannan's sisters went out to Oak Beach, they got a different story.

"He denied calling my mother," said Sherre Gilbert.

"Had he seen Shannan?" Erin Moriarty asked.

"He said he never saw Shannan before," she replied.

"What did you think?" Moriarty asked.

"I thought that he was a liar and I still think he's a liar," Sherre said.

"You didn't think your mom could be mistaken?"

"I was there when my mother received the phone call, so there's no way."

Dr. Hackett later admitted in letters to "48 Hours" that he had called Shannan's mother, but he said it was later in the week and he did so at the request of friends who were searching for Shannan to be "supportive." But he went on to say that "at no time ... did I suggest I had ever met her or render medical care of any sort to her."

Dr. Hackett has steadfastly denied ever seeing Shannan to the press.

And when Mari Gilbert confronted him with a friend's camera rolling, he denied it again:

Mari Gilbert [Cell phone video]: Firsthand what happened? Did you ever see her? What did you hear?

Dr. Hackett: I never saw her, I never met her. ... All this stuff about a rehab or something I don't have a rehab, I don't do rehab.

Mari Gilbert: Why would you say that to me?

Dr. Hackett: I didn't.

"Could Shannan Gilbert's mother invent this even if she wanted to? It doesn't seem plausible," said Kolker.

"48 Hours" has since recently obtained phone records from Shannon's mother that confirm Hackett actually did make a call to Mari Gilbert exactly when she said he did on May 3.

"You called Mari on your wife's cell phone on the third on that Monday when Mari said you called," Moriarty told Hackett.

"Yeah, I'm sure I did. When you give ... look let me not get into it," he said.

Just weeks ago, "48 Hours" went to Dr. Hackett's house to try to get answers.

"So why would you call her mother? That's what was odd. So you inserted yourself. And then you keep changing your story," said Moriarty.

"... because I couldn't remember my story. Seriously, a person gets a lot of phone calls," he said.
 
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Mari Gilbert stated that Peter Hackett told her that Shannan Gilbert left his house with her driver Michael Pak.

This would suggest that Michael Pak is officially the last person to see Shannan Gilbert alive.

If this were the case then Michael Pak either has to state that Peter Hackett is lying or explain where Shannan Gilbert went after she left his company.

What is Michael Pak’s explanation?
 
Mari Gilbert stated that Peter Hackett told her that Shannan Gilbert left his house with her driver Michael Pak.

This would suggest that Michael Pak is officially the last person to see Shannan Gilbert alive.

What is Michael Pak’s explanation?

This is Hackett's notes that he took - from his notebook.
"Tom - girl seen driving out."
what that means is that Tom witnessed Shannan in Pak's vehicle
driving out of Oak Beach.
 

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This is from Theforeigner's post in the thread TIMELINE: Shannan Gilbert:

TIMELINE: Shannan Gilbert

"Pak said he was driving around looking for Gilbert, and told Coletti they had been at a party and that the young woman who had gotten upset and left. Coletti said he'd seen her and called police."

"Pak said he resumed his search and drove around the gated community and outside the complex along Ocean Parkway -- texting and calling her furiously on his cell phone, she didn't respond -- before leaving the area 6 a.m. and believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City."

This is from Erin Moriarty of 48 hours:

48 Hours" uncovers missing escort Shannan Gilbert's final minutes


"Peter Hackett told me that Shannan was at his house, that he ran a halfway house for people who wanted to get off the street and that Shannan was there," said Mari Gilbert.

Mari says during that phone call on May 3, Dr. Hackett told her that Shannan had left his house with her driver and that he was worried about her. But when Shannan's sisters went out to Oak Beach, they got a different story.

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