Should Casey Receive Counseling in Jail?

[Jolynna]

I feel sorry for the world that will never know what contributions Caylee could have made to it.

Beautifully said!!!!!!!!!!!:blowkiss:

 

[Venom Goose]

I'm confused. . . the very first lines of your referenced "read" state: People who cannot contain their urges to harm (or kill) people repeatedly for no apparent reason are assumed to suffer from some mental illness. However, they may be more cruel than crazy, they may be choosing not to control their urges, they know right from wrong, they know exactly what they're doing, and they are definitely NOT insane. So why do you still consider her mental? See bold/underlined by me.

Because I just do. I never said I agreed with everything in that article, just that Casey fit a lot of the characteristics.

 

[Venom Goose]

What I meant by that is I feel bad that Casey (and Caylee) missed out on having such a great life - but obviously, no one is to blame but her. Ultimately Caylee deserved a better life WAY more than Casey did, but I can't help feeling a little pity toward Casey. I certainly don't sympathize with her, or believe anything she said, but I feel bad. If she would've had help earlier in life, none of this would have happened. It's a shame.

I shouldn't have said that I felt sorry for Casey. :bang: I hate thinking out loud.

 

[Cerenity2u]

I voted no. If she is convicted, I have no doubt that she will be spending the rest of her life in prison. With that said, I do not see any benefits to society outside of the prison walls, by spending tax payers $$$ for KC to receive counceling. KC or anyone who commits such horrible crimes, especially to innocent children, shouldn't be given any special services in prison, considering there are so many people out there who have not broken the law, but who are in desperate need of help. These people are ignored, and left to suffer, because they do not have the funds to get what they need, Yet those in prison who will never see the light of day, are offered these services compliments of hard working, law abiding, tax payers $$$? The idea that KC could receive counceling so she can FEEL BETTER about herself makes my blood boil. She should be miserable for the rest of her life, for what she did to poor little Caylee. Sorry for sounding so cold, but I am when it concerns momster KC.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Do we know for sure KC's a sociopath? If so, I vote "no".

If someone is a sociopath, are they missing the part of the brain that holds a conscious or has that part never been filled up right?

A body can hold a heart that does nothing more than pump blood through ones veins I guess.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I voted no. She will have all the therapy she needs with the structure of prison. They won't believe her lies, if they do listen. And there's no going "out" or "party" to go to while she's there. She won't be special to them.

She seems to have no discipline or concept of it. I feel CA must be exhausted trying to figure her daughter out. Lie, after lie can surely take its toll on anyone.

 

[ma2patrick]

I feel sorry for the world that will never know what contributions Caylee could have made to it.

You can call me a cruel SOB, but looking at that family, do you really think Caylee was going to break the mold and become Mother Theresa?

We look at her as the adorable angel she was, when in reality, she probably never had a chance to be a productive citizen. She was being raised by a Sociopath, and the family who helped enable her behavior.

Poor Caylee never stood a chance.

 

[eddeva]

I think it is very hard for normal people to understand how little sociopaths feel for anyone outside of themselves.
IMO

*respectfully snipped*

ITA and it's sooooo frustrating not being able to explain that a psychopath can't be reached, changed, helped, found or anything else that truly good people often cannot accept is impossible b/c the truth is that there's no real human being there to reach, change, help, find.

oh there's a good person deep down inside him just trying to get out.
nope, he got out and ran like hell years ago!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Once when my dog (yellow lab - think Marly) was a puppy (one year old or so), she pulled me down while taking off after a squirrel of all things! I was touched when she returned to my side and gave me a kiss She seemed aware that she had possibly hurt me - conscious? I forgave her but got one of those evil looking collars. Somehow she needed to know I was in control.

 

[Jolynna]

I shouldn't have said that I felt sorry for Casey. :bang:

I think you feel sorry for Casey's lost potential.

I have a nephew diagnosed as suffering from antisocial personity disorder.

He is charming, intelligent, handsome, funny, witty and loved by his entire family. Although he has robbed everyone he has come in contact with and he blogs on his myspace about ways to do us all in, the family MISSES him and grieves.

My nephew is 20 years old, living with his pregnant 16 year old girlfriend and her family (who, he also occasionally blogs about wanting to kill) and despite being born into a life many would envy, the future looks bleak. My nephew has been in therapy for one thing or another most of his life. His last diagnosis was by a specialist our family doctor said was the best available.

Our family has been told my nephew will most likely end up in the same place Casey is headed. The prognosis for antisocial personality disorder is grim.

I DO understand sorrow over a young person who COULD contribute so much throwing away his life or worse. It IS heartbreaking and sad. Unfortunately the people I have talked to say sociopaths/APDs cannot really be fixed.

 

[LancelotLink]

I hope Casey can receive counseling in prison, as long as it comes with a family plan...

 

[MarleneM]

Imo, I don't care what happens to KC unless she walks - then I'll be on the lookout for vigilante or lynch mob articles to come in with the conclusion to her story.

 

[newuser]

The instrument has yet to be invented that could measure my indifference to Casey's plight. If she admitted her mistakes and told the truth, I'd feel differently. But for someone to cause so much pain and turmoil for the whole country and seemingly enjoy it is just cruel.

 

[Crafti]

My response to the part I bolded...

The years you invested shows just how good and manipulative people with this kind of problem can be.

Unless you have been involved with someone with the problem I think it is very hard for normal people to understand how little sociopaths feel for anyone outside of themselves.

IMO

Exactly. But, I must say, it was obvious probably within the first 4 months that something wasn't right. He just didn't react to things the way other people do, sincerity for "doing something wrong" began to show as fake. Having never been involved with someone like this, I tried to reason and make sense of. . . . .and honestly made a lot of excuses for his behavior to myself. Would even blame myself or that maybe he wasn't interested in me, and he would re-assure me just enough to keep holding on. Eventually, too many things pointed in this direction and I said I'd pay for the psychological testing, that how sure I was.

But, I loved him. I thought. What I loved was what our relationship could have been. I guess the same as the "potential" another poster sees in KC and feels kind of bad for her. Potential unfortunately is not REALITY.

 

[Venom Goose]

I think you feel sorry for Casey's lost potential.

I have a nephew diagnosed as suffering from antisocial personity disorder.

He is charming, intelligent, handsome, funny, witty and loved by his entire family. Although he has robbed everyone he has come in contact with and he blogs on his myspace about ways to do us all in, the family MISSES him and grieves.

My nephew is 20 years old, living with his pregnant 16 year old girlfriend and her family (who, he also occasionally blogs about wanting to kill) and despite being born into a life many would envy, the future looks bleak. My nephew has been in therapy for one thing or another most of his life. His last diagnosis was by a specialist our family doctor said was the best available.

Our family has been told my nephew will most likely end up in the same place Casey is headed. The prognosis for antisocial personality disorder is grim.

I DO understand sorrow over a young person who COULD contribute so much throwing away his life or worse. It IS heartbreaking and sad. But, what is more scary is that there is about to be a baby born into the situation.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.

I sincerely hope your nephew will never do what Casey did.

 

[Noexcuse]

I voted no. I see no purpose. The damage has been done. Just keep her locked up where she can't hurt anyone else.

 

[Indigo]

You can call me a cruel SOB, but looking at that family, do you really think Caylee was going to break the mold and become Mother Theresa?

We look at her as the adorable angel she was, when in reality, she probably never had a chance to be a productive citizen. She was being raised by a Sociopath, and the family who helped enable her behavior.

Poor Caylee never stood a chance.

I understand what you're saying, ma2patrick. It would have been hard for Caylee to break out of the mold. But Caylee was already showing signs of concern and caring for others. Remember the tape of her singing, "You are my Sunshine?" She stopped to ask her Papa if he was tired. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Caylee was a "little mommy" to her own mother.

 

[cfromcanada]

I voted I don't care but now I wish I could change it to NO. Why bother? She should just rot in jail at the least expense of the taxpayer as possible. She has cost Florida enough with her antics and it wouldn't change anything anyhow. A sociopath,(unless it is drug induced) is just that and they don't get cured.

 

[Boston]

Casey should die by lethal injection so I don't see the point of her receiving counseling.

What's the point? Why waste more of the states money?

She will only Lie to her therapist anyways

 

[LeLe1953]

Please forgive me if I've broken any rule, or if there's already a thread like this, but do you want Casey to receive counseling in jail and if she gets sent to prison?

Unlike many people, I don't believe she's absolutely heartless. I don't like to make "absolute" judgments about people, despite her family's usage of that word. :crazy: I do think that at some point she loved Caylee, and may still love her in some way. I think something happened in her life, or a combination of things happened, to make her the way she is.

I'd like to see her receive counseling so that 1) she may someday reveal the truth of what really happened, 2) she can seek forgiveness, and 3) something can be learned from this to maybe keep it from happening to someone else in the future.

Well I am probably heartless but I don't want her to be forgiven by man, God, mom & dad or anyone else. I dont think she needs to be counseled for any of us to learn anything from this. The messages are loud & clear. If you want to around, please give your child up for adoption. If you are a friend, teacher, minister, mom,dad, sister, brother to some one like KC or if you EVER suspect neglect or abuse, CALL CHILD WELFARE. Yeah, if found out you might pizz off the parent, but you might also save a childs life. Children need all of us to be their eyes & ears, to look out for them & hold all of them close.

If I had my way, I would plaster every inch of KC's cell with pictures of Caylee in life, in the garbage bags & on the "table." I want her to hear that baby screaming for her, see her lifting her little bitty arms to be held... I want KC to SUFFER, REALLY REALLY SUFFER for the rest of her life & in her death.