Sidebar Discussion #3

[krkrjx]

http://www.ocdla.com/blog/casey-anthony-reasonable-doubt-ocd-1390

Casey Anthony, Reasonable Doubt, and OCD


Another clinical social worker weighs in on the jury's wildly controversial NG verdict.

I find the questions asked in this social worker's statement to be valid. Certainly a verdict that might lead to the death penalty being imposed must be thoughtfully considered and in such a situation even a little doubt might be considered "reasonable" to those responsible for the task. However, Casey was found not guilty on all the felony charges--even those that would not send her to death row. If the jurors wanted a smoking gun to send her to death row, that's one thing. But that does not compute as to how they could find her not guilty on the lesser felony charges given the evidence at trial. It's a no-brainer that not reporting your child missing for a month is a form of child abuse. It is a fact that Casey neglected to report Caylee missing. There is no doubt of this. So, I am not buying that the jurors had such a tough decision to make that they had no choice but to consider any level of doubt as reasonable.

 

[logicalgirl]

I find the questions asked in this social worker's statement to be valid. Certainly a verdict that might lead to the death penalty being imposed must be thoughtfully considered and in such a situation even a little doubt might be considered "reasonable" to those responsible for the task. However, Casey was found not guilty on all the felony charges--even those that would not send her to death row. If the jurors wanted a smoking gun to send her to death row, that's one thing. But that does not compute as to how they could find her not guilty on the lesser felony charges given the evidence at trial. It's a no-brainer that not reporting your child missing for a month is a form of child abuse. It is a fact that Casey neglected to report Caylee missing. There is no doubt of this. So, I am not buying that the jurors had such a tough decision to make that they had no choice but to consider any level of doubt as reasonable.

Excellent post krkrjx - and to add, death was only an option on the most serious charge - it was NOT a given. Those who declare the vote was because of the death penalty forget there was to be a second mini trial regarding the sentence, when the jury could vote not to recommend the death sentence at all. They had many options so that dog doesn't bark.

 

[ZsaZsa]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gary-giordanos-lawyer-running/story?id=15045376

He's 'not going to run from anything"
Umm - that's exactly what he was doing when arrested - trying to leave the country while telling the airline that his companion was going to take another flight ( while knowing she was missing)...
How trusting these defence Attys are, and how gullible they think we are.

 

[Just K]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gary-giordanos-lawyer-running/story?id=15045376

Gary Giordano's Lawyer: He is "Not Running From Anything"



***GROANS***

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/ne...isappearance-case-dpgonc-20111129-fc_16152085

How can he be referred to a GG's lawyer when he has no license to practice law in either Aruba or the State of Maryland where GG resides. Wouldn't the Great Wizard of Kissimee need to hire a local representative just like Tacopino did in KC?

I thought he was "acting" as GG's "consultant."

JB PLEASE GO AWAY!

 

[Just K]

Slightly OT, two separate female neighbors of GG applied for and were denied TROs by the courts in Maryland. They complained that GG had left dead animals on their properties and did other bizarre things around their homes.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/11/gary-giordano-to-be-released-return-to-gaitherburg-69678.html

 

[Just K]

Just an aside, every time I see or hear JB, I skip passed him. I refuse to listen to anything that conjurer spews.

 

[Well Done 99]

Slightly OT, two separate female neighbors of GG applied for and were denied TROs by the courts in Maryland. They complained that GG had left dead animals on their properties and did other bizarre things around their homes.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/11/gary-giordano-to-be-released-return-to-gaitherburg-69678.html

What the ...... ?

 

[Just K]

Just heard on GMA that the new attorney for Dale Smith (whose ex-fiance is missing and they were on People's Court at one time) is an "ex-attorney for Casey Anthony's parents," but they didn't name who. Couldn't find any links. Anyone know which attorney it is?

Looks like ABC has chosen to focus on and cover the smarmy and entertainment stories over hard news and honest journalism.

 

[atthelake]

I'm listening right now to the judges statement on sentencing of Dr. Murray - I had forgotten for some time the thing that I so much wanted to hear - but never will - unless he publishes after off the bench - were HHJP's statments for his sentencing of FCA. :banghead:

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm listening right now to the judges statement on sentencing of Dr. Murray - I had forgotten for some time the thing that I so much wanted to hear - but never will - unless he publishes after off the bench - were HHJP's statments for his sentencing of FCA. :banghead:

The judge is not being kind to Murray, I think he's going to get the max.

 

[chefmom]

CM given 4 years. Judge really gave him a spanking!

 

[chefmom]

random: TMZ is reporting OCA is taking Spanish college classes. Not sure how much credibility one can give to TMZ but figured I would post anyhow..


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/28/casey...ish/?adid=recentlyupdatedstories#.TtQkclYkRPE

article says she is taking Spanish because she figures it will be useful when she goes back to work in Florida. A job? Casey Anthony? riiiighhht.... i'll believe that when I see it

Someone needs to tell KC and her Team that watching Dora the Explorer does not equal Spanish Course! :innocent:

 

[logicalgirl]

CM given 4 years. Judge really gave him a spanking!

Was pleased to see that to set an example for Doctors. Murray's patient was a famous person but that does not exclude Murray from his oath to do no harm. And allowing your patient, no matter who he or she is to make the decision about what prescription medication they are going to receive is just wrong. Dr. Murray wasn't acting the capacity of a physician he was acting in the capacity of a drug dealer.

No matter how sympathetic a doctor is to his/her patient or how much money he is receiving for his services - giving a patient the drugs he wants is just wrong.

 

[chefmom]

Was pleased to see that to set an example for Doctors. Murray's patient was a famous person but that does not exclude Murray from his oath to do no harm. And allowing your patient, no matter who he or she is to make the decision about what prescription medication they are going to receive is just wrong. Dr. Murray wasn't acting the capacity of a physician he was acting in the capacity of a drug dealer.

No matter how sympathetic a doctor is to his/her patient or how much money he is receiving for his services - giving a patient the drugs he wants is just wrong.

So true! I have often wondered why famous people are able to get doctors to prescribe such high powered drugs to them seemingly at the drop of a hat when my doctor hesitates to prescribe antibiotics without a positive culture or other proof of their necessity. Apparently, being the physician to a famous person is more important than the hypocratic oath. At least to some like CM it would seem.

 

[logicalgirl]

So true! I have often wondered why famous people are able to get doctors to prescribe such high powered drugs to them seemingly at the drop of a hat when my doctor hesitates to prescribe antibiotics without a positive culture or other proof of their necessity. Apparently, being the physician to a famous person is more important than the hypocratic oath. At least to some like CM it would seem.

Same with mine and God help me if I tell her I am having trouble sleeping. She will go through the litany of no computers/TV/angry birds an hour before bed and how much exercise am I getting, what is in my current dinner diet, blah blah blah and i come out empty handed...:crazy:

 

[gramcracker]

aaaaand CM will serve his sentence in county jail (in PC, mind you) rather than state prison. talking heads also guesstimating how much/little time he will serve since the sheriff has more input than the judge in determining the appropriate time served. surely it will be similar to LiLo's situation: 90 days = 5 hours

 

[strawberry]

Look who popped up in the Michelle Parker thread!:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7392213#post7392213"]FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 #4 - Page 3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Greetings WSers. I am Tony Pipitone, the reporter from WKMG in Orlando who covered Casey and, now, Michelle.

I have always enjoyed reading your posts, but want to clarify a couple things for you.

I read the 1992 Bryan Tilestone murder case file last week at the courthouse and ran the story last night at 11 after interviewing brother Tommy and seeing OPD name DS the primary suspect. Not that I would not follow a lead from a WS forum, but I had that one for a while.

Regarding the surveillance video from Nov. 17: we have shown the video of Michelle's Hummer pulling up to DS's condo at 3:18 p.m. We erroneously reported it appeared to leave at 4:40 p.m. And we almost immediately corrected that report in the same newscast, as well as further clarified it the next day. The second Hummer belonged to a neighbor, from whom police have obtained a statement. MP's Hummer could have left another way, out of camera range.

I also can tell you that when DS's wife died in 2001, he was in a military prison. I know more about those circumstances but will report them on WKMG when and if my managers decide they are newsworthy.

I hope that helps.

Tony

Do DickTracyOrlando wasn't the only one reading our forum! :giggle:

 

[Niner]

So true! I have often wondered why famous people are able to get doctors to prescribe such high powered drugs to them seemingly at the drop of a hat when my doctor hesitates to prescribe antibiotics without a positive culture or other proof of their necessity. Apparently, being the physician to a famous person is more important than the hypocratic oath. At least to some like CM it would seem.

it's called GREED... $$$ $$$

:twocents:

 

[FLmom777]

Just heard on GMA that the new attorney for Dale Smith (whose ex-fiance is missing and they were on People's Court at one time) is an "ex-attorney for Casey Anthony's parents," but they didn't name who. Couldn't find any links. Anyone know which attorney it is?

Mark NeJame tweeted that he has taken the case. I do have respect for him. He removed himself from the A's and gave money from his own pocket as a reward to Kronk for finding Caley.

 

[sumbunny]

it's called GREED... $$$ $$$

:twocents:

Karma is going to bite him in the arse, because of his greed! He'll no longer make much money, if/when the judge awards punitive damages to the family.