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Just sticking my head in to say hi. Before I signed in there was an Asian dating site at the top of my page. Whoa....wut up wit dat? Lol
 
LolaMoon08 said:
Now that she has an American-born child, it will make it much easier for her to get her papers without Jose... if she doesn't already have them?
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suzihawk said:
Oh my! Is her name really 'Lorena'? The last hispanic woman in the news with that name... well let's just say her husband didn't fare too well. :floorlaugh:
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I flippin' love Lorena Bobbit! I used to tell me ex-boyfriend "Don't make me Lorena Bobbit your (bleep) when you're sleeping." Always made him shut up quick! :floorlaugh:
 
Pattymarie said:
So is the church still blocked off? Will there be major news people in attendance tomorrow? Or does no one care anymore?
I think that the fact that not one "parishoner" is interesting.
Pastor Camp is very active on Twitter.
Didn't KC do the whole Christian "act" with the Grunds?
Not trying to be snarky...it would be very cool if their ministry actually helped her admit the truth.
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Yes, Jesse Grund said kc would morph into whoever she was with at the time. She takes on their identity, she's suddenly a huge fan of whatever team they're rooting for, if they're a dopehead she's a dopehead, if they're in college she's in college, if they're praising god she's hollerin' amen!
I can totally see it in my mind....her in that church at Sunday service, raising those arms to heaven and giving a hallelujah!!!!!! She is such a phony!
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I flippin' love Lorena Bobbit! I used to tell me ex-boyfriend "Don't make me Lorena Bobbit your (bleep) when you're sleeping." Always made him shut up quick! :floorlaugh:
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OMG you are so-o-o-o-o bad and funny as all get out
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See a few references to 'when Cindy left Baez' office devastated' - I wasn't following the case prior to the trial and missed this. Can someone remember when this happened? Can't find anything on Google...
 
Aedrys said:
I think someone else mentioned it, but I believe that they maybe thought Casey found a dead body and put it there to make them think Caylee was dead, or maybe Casey got involved in something bad and something died in the back on her car, but it wasn't Caylee. Cindy was not truly devastated by Caylee's passing until that day at Baez's office. I always wondered about that. If they knew Caylee was dead and not missing, why would she have been so devastated later on when she met with Baez at his office? Wouldn't she have been in mourning before that?

I truly believe they weren't sure what Casey was capable of, or hoped to God they were wrong. I know from personally dealing with a sociopath, that once they cross you, it's scary as hell because you realize that they have no limits or no morals when it comes to protecting themselves and getting what they want. I think they knew there was a strong possibility that Casey had killed Caylee - actually, I think George totally knew it, but Cindy just wasn't willing to accept it. Even now, she doesn't seem willing to accept it.

I just don't think Cindy was able to accept that Caylee was really dead until that day in Baez's office. And since the men in that family don't want to dare to upset Cindy, no matter how they felt, they weren't going to say anything, and just went along with things because Cindy told them to. And of course, they know to act around other people. Of course Cindy would agree and cry in front of people that Caylee was dead. George would agree too. But behind closed doors, away from all other people, I'm sure Cindy was praying that Caylee was okay somewhere.

She honestly seemed desperate to solve whatever cryptic game was going on to get Caylee back. Casey just played right along, giving her mother hope that Caylee could come home alive. Lee and George went along for appearance purposes. They had no illusions when it came to Casey, but they had to go along because they can't stand up to Cindy. They couldn't make her see the truth, and it would have been a winless fight to try and stand up to her. Better to play along and hope Casey just eventually stops the game and admits the truth than trying themselves to force Cindy to see it. Unfortunately for them, Casey had to keep that hope going so that mom and the family would continue to cover for her. I think Cindy had that hope until the day in Baez's office when she left looking devastated. After that, it wasn't about Caylee anymore. It was about keeping Casey alive. Cindy was willing to do whatever it took to keep Casey alive, we all saw that. At that point, she knew Caylee was dead, and she knew Casey was all she had left.

Something else I've noticed about sociopaths thanks to my former roommate is that they do to seem wrap family members around their fingers. It doesn't matter that they've done bad things in the past, the family is still willing to rally around them and protect them if need be. I've never understood this, except that they either have their family completely fooled, or their family does NOT want to incur the wrath of the sociopath at any cost. I imagine that years of dealing with a sociopath would lead to something like the A's (though I think they are in the extreme), people who don't care what the reality is, but only care about doing whatever it takes to keep sociopath from focusing on them and doing more damage to them.

And I think in some twisted way, Cindy also believed that if she saved Casey, Casey would be thankful and love her again. Cindy has such a deep need to be loved by Casey that she would do anything to make things right and make Casey love her again. She doesn't get that Casey doesn't love her at all, just uses her over and over again to get what she wants. I'm sure she's thinking that Casey will be home again someday, probably thinking that she remodels that bathroom in her house. I wonder if Caylee's room is even still there. I just know Cindy would remove it if Casey wanted her to, anything to please Casey and get Casey to love her again.

The weird thing is, George has to know this about Cindy, and he has to know that Casey will probably come home again someday. I'm guessing that because Cindy tells him what to do and when to do it, he'll allow Casey back home and be miserable himself, but glad to see Cindy so happy again. I think he is so caught up in wanting Cindy to be happy again that he's willing to sacrifice himself to do it. Cindy happy equals George left to do what he wants. Cindy unhappy leads to misery in that home because George is the only one she can take it out on. I also think George feels sorry for Cindy because she is a broken woman now. She refuses to see the truth while devastated that Caylee is gone. Not even Cindy deserved to lose Caylee, especially at the hands of Casey.

And honestly, they didn't do a polygraph because none of them would pass it. They are liars, but not nearly as skilled as Casey. I would bet their lawyer told them not to take any polygraph tests. All of them would have failed. They have lied and lied for so long to protect Casey that the polygraph would be their downfall. They don't do well in the face of real truth. They keep constantly smearing and obfuscating the truth so they don't have to really face it.

And from what I saw on Dr. Phil, Cindy is still not facing the truth that Casey murdered Caylee. I don't think she ever will.
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I rarely disagree with you. You always make your point nicely without snark and that's a trait to be admired.

CA was in cover up mode since day 32 and has been despite the fact Caylee was suffocated and tortured to death by her own mother. Where you see denial, I see a lying conniving person with a few self serving goals--FCA free to have another family.:eek: Show the world she has the perfect family and Casey has a brain tumor or seizure (take your pick). Denial brings more money and pity to CA which she loves.

If we believe that GA/CA/LA have been spotted multiple times near FCA's compound then I think we can reasonably deduct that GA is fine with FCA. I believe FCA has been a frequent visitor at Hopespring Drive since the day she got out of jail.

I agree that they hoped someone else was dead (how awful) but when FCA could not produce Caylee after the 911 calls and her ultimate incarceration, they knew.

How do you know FCA was upset after leaving Baez' office. She played JA like a fiddle, being nice to him and appearing to be on their side. It was only an act as we saw she lied multiple times on the stand. One lie was easily proved to be a calculated lie. I believe she was faking it when she had a breakdown Anthony style. Her tissue was in her hand which was on her head. When her head popped up after her acting debut her face was dry, no tears, and no runny nose. She is a con artist just like the whole family.

CA/GA were lying before she was charged with murder so the DP cannot be blamed for their lies.

The As were dining at the Ritz with JB and someone affiliated with a large network. There is no way a normal person could do that while CSIs were on their hands and knees trying to piece Caylee's body back together. By that time they had already grieved (if you can call it that) and they were over it. Caylee was just $$$$ to them.

They didn't take a poly because they had been lying for FCA since day 32. It wasn't simply the fact they were liars but what they were lying about. You can only answer yes or no during a poly so no Cindy spin allowed.

Some of the others had to take a poly because of CA's attempts at blaming someone else for the murder. I have no doubt CA would be laughing today if she could have pinned the murder on someone else.

Very early on when FCA was arrested the first time CA said they have nothing on her or they would have charged her. Child neglect and obstructing LE is a serious crime but nothing compared to first degree murder and that's why CA thought it was no big deal --- they can't prove she murdered Caylee...that's what I believe CA's thought process was.

I agree with you regarding CA's sick need to be with FCA. CA/GA have no friends which is very strange.

The bottom line is what some see is denial, I see a calculated, conniving, lying family trying to get a killer out of jail with no regard for public safety or her next child.

IMO
 
I agree with you both Aedrys and Jon. There certainly was a pattern of just how much FCA was enabled,excused etc etc. over the years. This time it was big. I think there had to be some evil in order to go into that much denial. I think Cindy's comment on Dr.Phil regarding Caylee's body just being a shell when she was discarded so callously (words to that effect) supports both evil and denial. Caylee was gone so save the one living at any cost :banghead:
Edited to add-I think casting Caylee aside for FCA was an evil deed. I dont necessarily think George and or Cindy are evil.
 
LinTX said:
See a few references to 'when Cindy left Baez' office devastated' - I wasn't following the case prior to the trial and missed this. Can someone remember when this happened? Can't find anything on Google...
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Would that be when Cindy was told of the Defense theory?
 
BigMomma said:
:seeya:Thanks for the link and also your insights.

It is never pretty when families split up, wife leaves with a baby-If all this is true, it is a total shame. Feelings for JB put aside, once again, the toxicity of OCA and Co. has reached far and wide, it is beyond unbelievable. I do not doubt one bit there is some threat towards JB now, this is the mantra every time someone doesn't want to play the game their way. I've often heard about 'walking on eggshells around OCA', same holds true for them all. I wouldn't want any one of them to even know my name, out of fear I'd get tagged into something I never did, kwim?
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You're welcome. There is a lot of info at that site. How the $500k from Phil was funneled was particularly interesting. FCA's spending habits to include a new bike, explain that one to the judge that her life is in danger.

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There are basically three camps in Anthonyland....Grandparents were devastated and had no clue....Grandparents helped cover up the crime......Grandparents figured it out (or were told early on by JB and company per FCA) but refused to believe their daughter murdered Caylee vs. accidental death.
I believe the third scenario. I watched Dr. G's special last night after having taped it a month ago. There was a video snippet of George they kept playing where he kept saying "there is so much more to this story that anybody knows" and then he would wiggle his eyebrows. In realtime when this story was unfolding, I, along with may others here thought that there was some type of "drug" or "gang" retribution going on. So much so that we were forbidden to even mention the Fusion bunch and the word "gang" in one sentence. So either George, at the time of that snippet, was referring to some nefarious activity wherein he thought Caylee had been taken as "punishment" to Casey -- and they were going to find their granddaughter -- or he was referring to Casey letting Caylee accidentally drown in the pool. I can see the latter, and whereby George and Cindy came on board the "Casey is Innocent" train with all their might. That, in turn, led to them being willing to obfuscate the authorities to keep their daughter off death row. By any means....lying, covertly cooperating with the defense. I happen to believe that the WHOLE George/River Cruz thing was set up to be used by the defense later on. RC's sister was in jail the same time Case was....too much coinkydink there for me. I have said it before and I will say it again, if a made-for-television movie is ever made, it will have to be a mini-series. I have never seen anything like it before, and hope we don't see anything like it again.
I don't really have a point.....just dumping my morning brain while drinking coffee!
 
If these reports are true I feel bad for Mrs. Baez and their child. I couldn't have been easy for her. Husband spending most waking hours working. Homes in foreclosure. Possibly losing friends. Watching FCA looking so enamored with your husband for all the world to see. She must have felt so isolated. Sad. Wonder if FCA plans to take that bicycle on a road trip. Say to Miami :crazy:
 
jon_burrows said:
I rarely disagree with you. You always make your point nicely without snark and that's a trait to be admired.

CA was in cover up mode since day 32 and has been despite the fact Caylee was suffocated and tortured to death by her own mother. Where you see denial, I see a lying conniving person with a few self serving goals--FCA free to have another family.:eek: Show the world she has the perfect family and Casey has a brain tumor or seizure (take your pick). Denial brings more money and pity to CA which she loves.

If we believe that GA/CA/LA have been spotted multiple times near FCA's compound then I think we can reasonably deduct that GA is fine with FCA. I believe FCA has been a frequent visitor at Hopespring Drive since the day she got out of jail.

I agree that they hoped someone else was dead (how awful) but when FCA could not produce Caylee after the 911 calls and her ultimate incarceration, they knew.

How do you know FCA was upset after leaving Baez' office. She played JA like a fiddle, being nice to him and appearing to be on their side. It was only an act as we saw she lied multiple times on the stand. One lie was easily proved to be a calculated lie. I believe she was faking it when she had a breakdown Anthony style. Her tissue was in her hand which was on her head. When her head popped up after her acting debut her face was dry, no tears, and no runny nose. She is a con artist just like the whole family.

CA/GA were lying before she was charged with murder so the DP cannot be blamed for their lies.

The As were dining at the Ritz with JB and someone affiliated with a large network. There is no way a normal person could do that while CSIs were on their hands and knees trying to piece Caylee's body back together. By that time they had already grieved (if you can call it that) and they were over it. Caylee was just $$$$ to them.

They didn't take a poly because they had been lying for FCA since day 32. It wasn't simply the fact they were liars but what they were lying about. You can only answer yes or no during a poly so no Cindy spin allowed.

Some of the others had to take a poly because of CA's attempts at blaming someone else for the murder. I have no doubt CA would be laughing today if she could have pinned the murder on someone else.

Very early on when FCA was arrested the first time CA said they have nothing on her or they would have charged her. Child neglect and obstructing LE is a serious crime but nothing compared to first degree murder and that's why CA thought it was no big deal --- they can't prove she murdered Caylee...that's what I believe CA's thought process was.

I agree with you regarding CA's sick need to be with FCA. CA/GA have no friends which is very strange.

The bottom line is what some see is denial, I see a calculated, conniving, lying family trying to get a killer out of jail with no regard for public safety or her next child.

IMO
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Respectfully Jon_Burrows, if your theory is to be accepted, how to you explain Jeff Ashton's description of George and Cindy? Do you think he was lying, ignoring the facts or just let them out on purpose? I'd be interested in hearing your response because the behaviour of the SA's office and the LE does not to me at least, validate the theories you are using.:waitasec:
 
TotallyObsessed said:
There are basically three camps in Anthonyland....Grandparents were devastated and had no clue....Grandparents helped cover up the crime......Grandparents figured it out (or were told early on by JB and company per FCA) but refused to believe their daughter murdered Caylee vs. accidental death.
I believe the third scenario. I watched Dr. G's special last night after having taped it a month ago. There was a video snippet of George they kept playing where he kept saying "there is so much more to this story that anybody knows" and then he would wiggle his eyebrows. In realtime when this story was unfolding, I, along with may others here thought that there was some type of "drug" or "gang" retribution going on. So much so that we were forbidden to even mention the Fusion bunch and the word "gang" in one sentence. So either George, at the time of that snippet, was referring to some nefarious activity wherein he thought Caylee had been taken as "punishment" to Casey -- and they were going to find their granddaughter -- or he was referring to Casey letting Caylee accidentally drown in the pool. I can see the latter, and whereby George and Cindy came on board the "Casey is Innocent" train with all their might. That, in turn, led to them being willing to obfuscate the authorities to keep their daughter off death row. By any means....lying, covertly cooperating with the defense. I happen to believe that the WHOLE George/River Cruz thing was set up to be used by the defense later on. RC's sister was in jail the same time Case was....too much coinkydink there for me. I have said it before and I will say it again, if a made-for-television movie is ever made, it will have to be a mini-series. I have never seen anything like it before, and hope we don't see anything like it again.
I don't really have a point.....just dumping my morning brain while drinking coffee!
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I'm with you on some of this, just not on a drowning angle. I do believe that GA knows more. Go back to one of the early FCA jail house videos where FCA says to CA, " Mom, you know what my involvement in stuff is" Then CA says, "No, Sweetie or Honey, I don't know what your involvement is" then FCA says: "Mom" it goes back and forth a bit. Apparently FCA thought that CA had knowledge of her involvement. Which lead me to believe that FCA had either told Lee or GA and she thought that they had told CA. Whether or not CA knew at the time is questionable. Then you go to another video, the one we call CA's silent video. Where she and GA are being interviewed in their home. GA is doing all the talking and CA is sitting there close to GA, you can sense that she just learned either of Caylee's death or of how she died. When everything was unfolding in the beginning, when the videos were released of FCA and Tony going to the video shop and renting videos, learning the titles of the videos, I had the sickest feeling that FCA was not alone in the death of Caylee. He was dismissed as a suspect early on, so I thought okay, he's not involved. When Tony left for NY and said he wasn't coming back FCA went into a panic. I thought, she hasn't known this guy very long, why is she in such a panic of his leaving and not returning and he made a game of it with her. Like he was taunting her. When she was arrested she had only one thing on her mind...she needed to talk to Tony. KWIM? These were along the lines of what I was thinking. She couldn't tell on him because it would reveal her "involvement". Not saying this is what happened. It was just my thoughts early on in 2008. JMHO
 
I have always believed Casey murdered Caylee, she did it alone and she did it intentionally. Had this been an accident resulting from Casey giving Caylee too much chloroform to quiet her so she could party, there would have been no duct tape. Had this been any other kind of accident, there would have been no duct tape. Casey did it, and then she had a number of people who helped her cover things up. For some reason they wanted to save Casey. For some reason, they feel she deserved saving. They are all culprits as far as Caylee not getting justice, but Casey and Casey alone is responsible for Caylee's death and disposal of her body.
 
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