Sidebar Discussion #9

[A_News_Junkie]

in reading the book.. one thing i did was go bck over alot of the docs. and interviews..
its amazing how much more you pick up on now.. at least me..
and I never read the shrinks reports until now.. i think i must have been burnt out by the time they came out.. but i read them this weekend.. jezz what a kook that dr w was...
I do have one question.. he keeps talking about casey doing illustrations.. what in the heck was that about.. and How come i dont rembmer hearing anyting about that from anywhere.. is that another made up job or skill she just told him she had?

:waitasec: Marker drawings of mouse sneezing? (Bald of course)

Guess we know what she was doing with her markers and crayons now!

 

[jane the dood]

The glowing quotes that were posted under the heading "Review" as part of the original listing for JB's book at Amazon.com really didn't pass the smell test for me. Here they are, from the book listing at Amazon.com:


What was really said by these sources, and in what context? Did PG/JB get permission from each of them to use the altered quotes and/or those taken out of context, to make it appear as if they had endorsed his book? How very ... smarmy ... if they did not. So here are some of the possible sources for these quotes IMO, accompanied by my comments (blue), and quoted material from some of the sources (purple).


"An incredible read. Presumed Guilty and Helter Skelter are the two best true crime books of all time."
—Geraldo Rivera, Fox News

[No comment, considering the source.]


"This is a very smart lawyer."
—Barbara Walters

[No comment, considering the source.]


"Jose Baez is the most sought-after criminal defense attorney in the country."
— Los Angeles Times

See blog post by Assistant Food Editor and news blogger at the LA Times, Rene Lynch, on JB's resignation as FCA's attorney:
http://iwantherjob.com/rene-lynch/

Anthony's acquittal outraged many and led one online poll to dub her the most hated person in America. But it also turned Baez into a household name -- and one of the most sought-after criminal defense attorneys in the country.

Now, Baez said in his statement that it's time to move on: "My work as Ms. Anthony's defense attorney is finished. It's not my job to answer questions regarding non-legal matters relating to Ms. Anthony and I must attend to my other clients' needs."​

LOL "sought after?" "other clients?" Sought after for what? What other clients?

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/22/nation/la-na-nn-casey-anthony-jose-baez-20120222


"Baez’s courtroom strategy is stunning!"
—ABC News

Very disingenuous, this quote. Here is what the ABC news story actually said -- note "was stunning," not "is, and the fact that ABC was reporting on JB's shocking opening statement, not praising him, and not commenting on his strategy in general as an attorney:"

Baez's courtroom strategy was stunning right from the start. In his opening statement, he said his client had lied for the past three years about her daughter being kidnapped by a mysterious nanny. Instead, he said, 2-year-old Caylee had actually drowned in the family swimming pool in June 2008. Casey Anthony hid her daughter's death because she had been "trained to lie" by surviving years of sexual abuse by her father, Baez claimed.
​

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anth...uannie-cochran/story?id=14002387#.UA2xN6NDMdU


"Jose Baez is really the new Johnnie Cochran…. If you're in trouble, you want the best go-to person in the criminal-justice system. Right now, that person is Jose Baez."
—Sunny Hostin, In Session

Notice the [.... ] after "Johnnie Cochran? How could JB have left this part of Sunny's words out of his lifted book endorsement? --

”At this point and time, Jose Baez is really the new Johnnie Cochran,” Hostin said. “If you’re guilty and you want to go home, you hire Jose Baez. If you’re in trouble, you want the best go-to person in the criminal-justice system. Right now, that person is Jose Baez.”
​

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...indy-send-casey-a-love-letter.html#more-43794


"The jury was faced with a very difficult task but probably made the right decision."
—John Grisham, bestselling author

This was when Piers Morgan asked Grisham for an off-the-cuff response to the bombshell verdict:
(transcript and video)

Didn't really follow it that closely, uh.. I-I'm really uh.. suspicious of trials where.. the cameras are in the courtroom.. because it creates this uh.. this circus around the courtroom that I think, uh really does not help us pursue.. uh justice...

As i understand the case, and you can't, y-you can't completely avoid the case if you're you know, a-awake and somewhat literate in this country --
The prosecution could not prove uh the place of, the place of death, cause of death, you know, y-uh.. none of the basic things you have to prove --
And I think the jury.. uh.. was faced with a very difficult task.. but probably uh made the right decision, uh.. because.. the prosecution has to walk into court and prove certain basic elements of the crime.. and if, if that's not done, then the the jury must acquit the accused.

Uh, so again I-I d-don't know a lot about it, just based on what I've picked up with everybody else and saw on television, that's kind of my uh shoot from the hip reaction to it.​

Grisham: Jury probably right on Anthony - YouTube

BTW, John Grisham, like Geraldo Rivera, is an outspoken celebrity activist against the death penalty in the U.S. Grisham's "protest too much" avowals that he didn't follow the case closely simply do not ring true for me in light of that. Especially when you consider who wrote the review of HIS anti-DP book, at the link below: Why, it's none other than Terry Lenamon, FCA's former death penalty attorney.

http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/joh...inues-his-campaign-against-the-death-penalty/


"Baez is one of the best lawyers in America."
—Fox News Latino

Sourced from the article linked below?
Note that the quote is not exactly in context, and also note that the heavily negative coverage in that article was deftly avoided in the "book-review-quotes-fishing-expedition! The Fox Latino writer really does rake JB over the coals in the story, including his failure to pay child support, and the scathing quote from the Florida Bar, refusing him admission on the grounds that he was not fit to practice law.
IMO it is also notable that the article states:

A few years ago, José Baez was a little-known attorney in a small town in Florida called Kissimmee. That all changed when a woman named Casey Anthony needed a good lawyer to beat charges that she killed her daughter. Inmates mentioned Baez, and Anthony reached out to him.​

You bet JB didn't use that "beat the murder charges" bit for the book review, either. So, here's the quote JB did judiciously select from the article (IMO of course) as a positive fake book review for Amazon:

"They throw enough against the wall and see what sticks," Baez said of prosecutors during closing arguments. "That is what they're doing ... right down to the cause of death."
Now Baez the Latino lawyer with just six years of experience under his belt is being called one of the best lawyers in America.​

Notice that Fox Latino did NOT praise JB as "one of the best lawyers in America" -- they merely alluded to his "is being called" that.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...d-son-to-star-defense-attorney/#ixzz1RGiZECdB



That's some pretty selective and liberal quoting IMO, and I do wonder whether they got permission from each source to use these quotes as Amazon book endorsements? Shall we close with another John Grisham quote, from the above TV appearance:

"It becomes entertainment, something other than the pursuit of truth and of justice."​

JMO

WOW, you do your homework....A+++! Outstanding. And eye-opening, to say the least.

(I'll continue to enjoy Grisham novels; though probably now I'll do it on the sly, under the covers, with a flashlight!....:groucho

 

[TorisMom003]

The flower is popping out of the soil again on the other site.

Hints as to what part of the garden one should look for the flower?!?!

 

[logicalgirl]

Right, and GZ's wife goes to jail for lying but not CA?????

Well Gz's wife lied directly to the judge about financial matters...and it was a whopper...not defending CA but it was a vastly different matter IMO

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

OMG! Was she drawing pictures for him? Ohhhhh how I wish I could get my hands on that file of her's.

No it was like he was saying it was her job.. or something she did she was good at.. ill find it again.. altho reading that depo is painful lol

 

[Ricki]

Hints as to what part of the garden one should look for the flower?!?!

Two first time reviewers

 

[jane the dood]

Well Gz's wife lied directly to the judge about financial matters...and it was a whopper...not defending CA but it was a vastly different matter IMO

Agreed.

(btw, Re: Tana French...my local library has all of her novels...I'm headed there tomorrow to check out her first book! Looking forward to a good read.)

 

[chckmate22]

No, he actually did mean chink. It means a crack or fissure. A "chink in one's armor" is usually referred to as a small, but often fatal, weakness.

ETA:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chink?s=t

I apologize then that is my error and when i googled it I came up with the slang...sorry didnt meant to ruffle any feathers

 

[RR0004]

We were believing RH because he posted on his blawg that she was out on the 17th of July or something like that ...one year after she was released from jail..I think we did not do our own due diligence :what: so thank you...:seeya:

Not for lack of trying...lol. I had read the 21st.
We just didn't know if they were misreporting it to throw off the general public.

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[FaerieB]

I apologize then that is my error and when i googled it I came up with the slang...sorry didnt meant to ruffle any feathers

No need to apologize at all. And BELIEVE me, I'm not defending Jose in any way. But we have enough factual faults to pick on, we don't need to use imagined ones. LOL!

Hats off to you. I'm trying my best to power through this pile of drivel...have been for a week. You're inspiring me to keep at it.

 

[chckmate22]

No need to apologize at all. And BELIEVE me, I'm not defending Jose in any way. But we have enough factual faults to pick on, we don't need to use imagined ones. LOL!

Hats off to you. I'm trying my best to power through this pile of drivel...have been for a week. You're inspiring me to keep at it.

please do and in the end can we compare notes?? I have highlighted several and I mean several things...and then everything gets all jumbled up in my memory...lol if you could pls answer if you know about the Andrea Lyon Cheney Mason question from the last page of this thread cause I am soo confused :waitasec:

 

[FaerieB]

please do and in the end can we compare notes?? I have highlighted several and I mean several things...and then everything gets all jumbled up in my memory...lol if you could pls answer if you know about the Andrea Lyon Cheney Mason question from the last page of this thread cause I am soo confused :waitasec:

That's probably what is holding me back in reading it. He is so confuzzled in EVERYTHING he says that I get frustrated and/or angry and must put it down and do something, anything, else.

Andrea joined the team in May of 2009, and left in June of 2010. Cheney joined the team in March of 2010 (http://thedebbiedaily.com/?p=1040) so there was an overlap of the couple of months, though I'm not sure they ever actually worked together on the case. I think Andrea had already stopped working for/with the defense but hadn't formally withdrawn from it yet. IMO.

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

maybe all the doodling??? Idk but this is a mess trying to read go back page 4 pgs to verify another mistake it is never ending ugh

Chckmate22, how many Chapters are in the book of lies?

On what you have read so far, how many Orange Highlights do you count?

 

[rhornsby]

Not for lack of trying...lol. I had read the 21st.
We just didn't know if they were misreporting it to throw off the general public.

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So let me get this straight, because DOC says Casey Anthony is still on probation; she is still on probation. This being the same DOC that originally said she was not on probation.

Well this is all I can say, Casey is free to continue reporting to probation and probation is free to keep meeting with her, but if she were to violate after July 17, 2012, the Court would be without jurisdiction to punish her.

Jones v. State, 954 So. 2d 675 - (Fla. 4th DCA 2007) is a very analogous case (second to last paragraph sums it up).

And just to be clear, Judge Perry's order (page 2) reiterates that Casey's probation started when she was released from jail. He only ordered her to start reporting (due to DOC leading her to believe she did not have to report), he never said her probation started August 22 (or whenever).

Finally, the only way I could ever "prove" I am right and DOC is wrong would be if:

1. Her attorneys filed a motion arguing my position now (which they probably don't see a need to do); or
2. DOC filed a Violation of Probation affidavit and her attorneys defended on the grounds I state exist.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

please do and in the end can we compare notes?? I have highlighted several and I mean several things...and then everything gets all jumbled up in my memory...lol if you could pls answer if you know about the Andrea Lyon Cheney Mason question from the last page of this thread cause I am soo confused :waitasec:

Andrea Lyon left about: June, 30 2010
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...-leaves-a-money-pit-how-big-a-blow-is-it.html

Cheney Mason joined about: March 18/19, 2010
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/judge-grants-casey-anthonys-indigent-status/nFCnF/

 

[A_News_Junkie]

So let me get this straight, because DOC says Casey Anthony is still on probation; she is still on probation. This being the same DOC that originally said she was not on probation.

Well this is all I can say, Casey is free to continue reporting to probation and probation is free to keep meeting with her, but if she were to violate after July 17, 2012, the Court would be without jurisdiction to punish her.

Jones v. State, 954 So. 2d 675 - (Fla. 4th DCA 2007) is a very analogous case (second to last paragraph sums it up).

And just to be clear, Judge Perry's order (page 2) reiterates that Casey's probation started when she was released from jail. He only ordered her to start reporting (due to DOC leading her to believe she did not have to report), he never said her probation started August 22 (or whenever).

Finally, the only way I could ever "prove" I am right and DOC is wrong would be if:

1. Her attorneys filed a motion arguing my position now (which they probably don't see a need to do); or
2. DOC filed a Violation of Probation affidavit and her attorneys defended on the grounds I state exist.

:silenced::shush::shush::shush: -----------> JB reads here!

Seriously, thank you for this wonderful explanation. I have always enjoyed your sharing your knowledge with us and teaching us so much during this case!

 

[chckmate22]

Chckmate22, how many Chapters are in the book of lies?

On what you have read so far, how many Orange Highlights do you count?

There are 34 chapters and 423 pgs not including about the author and other pages I am 323 pages so far. I have several marks that I have not counted because I am trying to double check my facts before I make more mistakes as I did with the "chink" comment. I started with the marker because when I was reading I kept thinking that is not what I remember from any and all of the documents that I read...ie: When CA went to TL apt the boys were watching an All Star Game...I thought they were playing video games...I checked the transcripts of TL(tony lazzaro) and it was video games. Calling Deputy Cain Detective Cain...stuff like that and I try before flapping my gums about these errors try and check them out....hope that helps...ps it is a hard read there is no continuity and he contradicts himself page to page and chapter to chapter so you have to go back and forth ...JMHO:seeya:

 

[RR0004]

So let me get this straight, because DOC says Casey Anthony is still on probation; she is still on probation. This being the same DOC that originally said she was not on probation.

Well this is all I can say, Casey is free to continue reporting to probation and probation is free to keep meeting with her, but if she were to violate after July 17, 2012, the Court would be without jurisdiction to punish her.

Jones v. State, 954 So. 2d 675 - (Fla. 4th DCA 2007) is a very analogous case (second to last paragraph sums it up).

And just to be clear, Judge Perry's order (page 2) reiterates that Casey's probation started when she was released from jail. He only ordered her to start reporting (due to DOC leading her to believe she did not have to report), he never said her probation started August 22 (or whenever).


Finally, the only way I could ever "prove" I am right and DOC is wrong would be if:

1. Her attorneys filed a motion arguing my position now (which they probably don't see a need to do); or
2. DOC filed a Violation of Probation affidavit and her attorneys defended on the grounds I state exist.

The proof is in the details. Just love it!
Gonna chime in about JB's book? lol

ETA: are you like the smartest attorney in Orlando?

 

[TorisMom003]

I have upset Casey's "boyfriend" on Amazon. He's yelling at me to "Prove it. Prove it." LOL

Kat The duct tape on Caylee's face was a lie made up by the prosecution. It was never proven in court. And, Casey never buried any animals in the woods. Prove that she did. Prove it. Just more made up lies.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

So let me get this straight, because DOC says Casey Anthony is still on probation; she is still on probation. This being the same DOC that originally said she was not on probation.

Well this is all I can say, Casey is free to continue reporting to probation and probation is free to keep meeting with her, but if she were to violate after July 17, 2012, the Court would be without jurisdiction to punish her.

Jones v. State, 954 So. 2d 675 - (Fla. 4th DCA 2007) is a very analogous case (second to last paragraph sums it up).

And just to be clear, Judge Perry's order (page 2) reiterates that Casey's probation started when she was released from jail. He only ordered her to start reporting (due to DOC leading her to believe she did not have to report), he never said her probation started August 22 (or whenever).

Finally, the only way I could ever "prove" I am right and DOC is wrong would be if:

1. Her attorneys filed a motion arguing my position now (which they probably don't see a need to do); or
2. DOC filed a Violation of Probation affidavit and her attorneys defended on the grounds I state exist.

Thanks for this logical explanation.

So what are your thoughts on Jose's book? Are you familiar enough with the content to speculate if anything he revealed will have effects on any of the civil suits against Casey?