Simple question...

[Holdontoyourhat]

Quite so. I've done a lot of research these last 13+ years, and a dead-ringer match, as HOTYH depicts it, is practically unheard of. That only happens in the movies.

Thats false, SD. You're shooting from the hip I guess. I suggest fbi.gov website. It has several handwriting 'dead ringer' cases. Thats what happens when there is a real, actual match and not a maybe-maybe not match 13 years later.

 

[Ravyn]

What are you talking about? Nobody was focusing on the pageants side of her. The lipstick photos were juxtaposed with photos of JR and JMK. What does that have to do with pageants?

JBR was marketed as a child sex object/rich family scandal by the tabloids, plain and simple. Sold huge copy. No evidence to link JR or JMK to any such crime.

And if the tabloids didn't show those pictures,would this case be a high profile case....Or just another child's murder....

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Your opinions are often stated as facts. I have a problem with that.

Please, for the last time, reread my post. All of my posts, at the end, say 'opinion only'. If you're not going to read then I can't help you.

 

[BBB167893]

If PR wrote the 350 word, 1500 character ransom note, whether disguised or not, she would've been pinned in a matter of hours or days, not years. Dont kid yourself.

Someone's kidding themselves, and it's not us. Case in point:

Why do you think we sign our signatures on checks as proof of identity? If handwriting were that vague, we'd be using our fingerprints instead.

That's pretty much the point, HOTYH. Analyzing signatures is far and away different from analyzing printed letters, especially this kind written with this kind of implement. Don't take my word for that, either.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And if the tabloids didn't show those pictures,would this case be a high profile case....Or just another child's murder....

I can't speak for others, but I became interested via Newsweek article around Sep 1997. NOT via tabloids, since I generally don't buy them.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Someone's kidding themselves, and it's not us. Case in point:



That's pretty much the point, HOTYH. Analyzing signatures is far and away different from analyzing printed letters, especially this kind written with this kind of implement. Don't take my word for that, either.

I won't.

 

[BOESP]

Please, for the last time, reread my post. All of my posts, at the end, say 'opinion only'. If you're not going to read then I can't help you.

"All" your posts say no such thing. In fact, very few of them say that.

Just saying .....

 

[Ravyn]

I can't speak for others, but I became interested via Newsweek article around Sep 1997. NOT via tabloids, since I generally don't buy them.

For me,I don't get into tabloids especially with covers like batboy,Elvis as been spotted....The news,and such yes,

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"All" your posts say no such thing. In fact, very few of them say that.

Just saying .....

Its my signature. Maybe you have to log off or something.

 

[BBB167893]

Thats false, SD. You're shooting from the hip I guess.

Wrong on both counts, HOTYH. I've spoken to several handwriting analysts. I know what they told me, and a match is only as good as the opinion of the examiner.

I suggest fbi.gov website. It has several handwriting 'dead ringer' cases. Thats what happens when there is a real, actual match and not a maybe-maybe not match 13 years later.

I had myself a look-see, HOTYH, and it's apples and handgrenades, for a couple of reasons:

1) Again, we're talking mostly properly written words written with normal pens, not block-printing with a bleeding marker. It only proves my point.

2) Handwriting analysis just doesn't have the court's favor like it did back when the case you speak of were brought into court, not by a long shot.

But, if that's the way you want to play it, the former head of the Immigration and Naturalization Service DID call her a dead-ringer match. But you don't seem to give a tinker's damn about that.

 

[BBB167893]

I won't.

Don't WANT you to!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Wrong on both counts, HOTYH. I've spoken to several handwriting analysts. I know what they told me, and a match is only as good as the opinion of the examiner.



I had myself a look-see, HOTYH, and it's apples and handgrenades, for a couple of reasons:

1) Again, we're talking mostly properly written words written with normal pens, not block-printing with a bleeding marker. It only proves my point.

2) Handwriting analysis just doesn't have the court's favor like it did back when the case you speak of were brought into court, not by a long shot.

But, if that's the way you want to play it, the former head of the Immigration and Naturalization Service DID call her a dead-ringer match. But you don't seem to give a tinker's damn about that.

:boohoo: It would've been a LOT better for RDI had PR been named the author by the expert panel that BPD originally assembled to decide this very matter. Instead, the expert panel DID NOT name PR as the author. Now, you would like to undo the past and get another 'better' panel to say she wrote the note? Why? Was there some reason you believe PR killed her daughter and then handwrote a 350 word note?

 

[BOESP]

Its my signature. Maybe you have to log off or something.

I do have sigs turned off. Why would you need to say that after every post if your posts are clearly opinion? It seems to me you are trying to be dictatorial then CYA with a sig line. Just my opinion of course and entirely up to you how you choose to come across. :innocent:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I do have sigs turned off. Why would you need to say that after every post if your posts are clearly opinion? It seems to me you are trying to be dictatorial then CYA with a sig line. Just my opinion of course and entirely up to you how you choose to come across. :innocent:

Right. I suggest taking it up with the one that says flat out "PR wrote the note" all the time. LOL.

 

[BBB167893]

:boohoo:

Don't do that, HOTYH. I don't care if you disagree with me, but do not blow me off. I'm asking you very nicely: please do not do that, okay?

It would've been a LOT better for RDI had PR been named the author by the expert panel that BPD assembled to decide that very matter. Instead, the expert panel DID NOT name PR as the author.

They sure as he** didn't let her off, either. In the interest of fairness, let me say this: yes, it WOULD have been a lot better for RDI to get that. But what you don't seem to understand is that, given the legal climate surrounding handwriting analysis at the time (and PMPT states this several times), it was not POSSIBLE for anyone to analyze a block-printed letter written with a fuzzy implement and come up with an answer that would meet the court standard, much less survive a strong cross-examination. Several books and articles written about this case stress that, so it's not like I'm making this up. PMPT states explicitly that the majority of the experts' general feeling was, "yeah, it probably was her, but I can't be sure enough for court." That's why Alex Hunter (in a move I would have supported 100%) wanted to forego the expert testimony and just have a jury make up their own minds through comparison charts. And if you don't believe me, I'll be more than happy to scrounge up the interview where he said that.

HOTYH, I'll be even more frank: I know I've been a real wise-*advertiser censored** tonight. I've made a lot of jokes. That's over with. I'm not goofing around on this. I realize this may not seem like much of an answer to you, but it's the only one I can honestly give you. I'm being absolutely straight with you because I still have enough respect to do that. I'm not here to waste anyone's time with BS. It's all I can do.

 

[Ravyn]

Don't do that, HOTYH. I don't care if you disagree with me, but do not blow me off. I'm asking you very nicely: please do not do that, okay?



They sure as he** didn't let her off, either. In the interest of fairness, let me say this: yes, it WOULD have been a lot better for RDI to get that. But what you don't seem to understand is that, given the legal climate surrounding handwriting analysis at the time (and PMPT states this several times), it was not POSSIBLE for anyone to analyze a block-printed letter written with a fuzzy implement and come up with an answer that would meet the court standard, much less survive a strong cross-examination. Several books and articles written about this case stress that, so it's not like I'm making this up. PMPT states explicitly that the majority of the experts' general feeling was, "yeah, it probably was her, but I can't be sure enough for court." That's why Alex Hunter (in a move I would have supported 100%) wanted to forego the expert testimony and just have a jury make up their own minds through comparison charts. And if you don't believe me, I'll be more than happy to scrounge up the interview where he said that.

HOTYH, I'll be even more frank: I know I've been a real wise-*advertiser censored** tonight. I've made a lot of jokes. That's over with. I'm not goofing around on this. I realize this may not seem like much of an answer to you, but it's the only one I can honestly give you. I'm being absolutely straight with you because I still have enough respect to do that. I'm not here to waste anyone's time with BS. It's all I can do.

Don't worry your thoughts and opinions means alot to some of us here...I pay attention to your post....

 

[BBB167893]

Now, you would like to undo the past and get another 'better' panel to say she wrote the note?

I'm iffy as to what your definition of "better" is, but here goes:

YES, I would.

Why?

A LOT of reasons.

Was there some reason you believe PR killed her daughter and then handwrote a 350 word note?

You're damn right there is!

 

[BOESP]

Right. I suggest taking it up with the one that says flat out "PR wrote the note" all the time. LOL.

I suggest if you have a problem with whomever it is you are referring to in the above statement, then you take it up with them. My issue is how you present your opinion as facts, and how you don't require the same standards in your posts that you demand from others.

As you said, no one knows who killed JonBenet.

Based on statistics collected by various government agencies, it is highly probable someone in that household was involved. JonBenet may be a rare exception. Nevertheless, Patsy was not excluded as the ransom note writer; Patsy was at the scene; she had access to JonBenet; she was the last person to see her alive according to her own words, and all that alone suggests she be subject to scrutiny.

 

[cluciano63]

i don't think we will ever know what happened in this case...too many issues with early investigation, the weird guy who claimed to be the one some years ago but dna said he wasn't, mother dead, etc...

i just hope we are not still asking what happened to haleigh cummings in 13 years...

 

[DeeDee249]

Right. I suggest taking it up with the one that says flat out "PR wrote the note" all the time. LOL.

That would be me.

Patsy wrote the note.