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Skinner - have you spoken with MS in the past week or two? Do you know if he is preparing for a possible arrest?
I have deleted and rewritten this sentence three times already trying to figure out the timing of things. Hmmmmmmmmm
Two things are in my mind. One is that I was not in Missouri for a few years during which time some of the bad behavior news about Wayne was starting to come to my ears. The other was that Mark, and I cannot remember when, but it's perhaps about the same time, had moved permanently to Florida.
So Wayne was still wrapping up my program and finished it in May of 2005, if I recall correctly. I have no reason to think that Mark and Wayne did not remain friends. If there was anything disrupting that, I have no knowledge of it. Mark was married in Florida, Wayne married in Missouri with his kids.
Skinner: glad to see you back & thank you for sharing your insights.
Three nights after the murder of Teresa Sievers, Mark called me and we spoke for maybe half an hour. I have shared one or two of the details from that conversation here, as you know. I did not share the following that transpired at the end of that phone conversation. There were three things in particular.
I said to Mark, “Can I pray with you about this [murder]?” He said, “Yes. Go ahead.”
I said, “Lord God, We come to you in the Name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. In this awful situation, 1) we ask that the police investigation work in this murder be the absolute best work ever, in the history of detective work in the earth – that their work is exemplary and efficient; 2) that the murder or murderers will be apprehended quickly; and 3) that justice would be done perfectly. In Jesus’ Name I pray.”
BBM: Thank you Skinner, for asking Mark to pray, and, for being specific in your requests.
Mark responded with “Amen.”
Thank you Skinner for sharing your private conversation with MS.
I don't want to steer this thread off into a conversation about God, prayer, salvation etc. Just know you and I are on the same page about many of your convictions. Maybe not in delivery but in belief.
That said, I can only speak for myself but I'm pretty confident I can speak for the vast majority here. There is no gloating over Mark's calamity. I can almost assure your our collective heart is not glad he stumbled.
We are sickened by his actions. God is also grieved. There are laws, both mandated by man and by God that must be followed (Exodus 20:13, Romans 13: 8-10, Matthew 15:19). There are many more verses which speak to God's forgiveness when one is truly repentant.
There is much grief within the community of Teresa's family, friends and patients. She was most loved. While Mark can surely be forgiven by God, he should be held to the standard of the law. We all are held to the standard of the law. I think it is justice that we seek, not vengeance.
Mark's actions have hurt so many people, including you. It is very sad.
Thank you Skinner for sharing your private conversation with MS.
I don't want to steer this thread off into a conversation about God, prayer, salvation etc. Just know you and I are on the same page about many of your convictions. Maybe not in delivery but in belief.
That said, I can only speak for myself but I'm pretty confident I can speak for the vast majority here. There is no gloating over Mark's calamity. I can almost assure your our collective heart is not glad he stumbled.
We are sickened by his actions. God is also grieved. There are laws, both mandated by man and by God that must be followed (Exodus 20:13, Romans 13: 8-10, Matthew 15:19). There are many more verses which speak to God's forgiveness when one is truly repentant.
There is much grief within the community of Teresa's family, friends and patients. She was most loved. While Mark can surely be forgiven by God, he should be held to the standard of the law. We all are held to the standard of the law. I think it is justice that we seek, not vengeance.
Mark's actions have hurt so many people, including you. It is very sad.
Three nights after the murder of Teresa Sievers, Mark called me and we spoke for maybe half an hour. I have shared one or two of the details from that conversation here, as you know. I did not share the following that transpired at the end of that phone conversation. There were three things in particular.
I said to Mark, Can I pray with you about this [murder]? He said, Yes. Go ahead.
I said, Lord God, We come to you in the Name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. In this awful situation, 1) we ask that the police investigation work in this murder be the absolute best work ever, in the history of detective work in the earth that their work is exemplary and efficient; 2) that the murder or murderers will be apprehended quickly; and 3) that justice would be done perfectly. In Jesus Name I pray.
Mark responded with Amen.
I then said to Mark, Mark, I sense strong conviction right now, that the Lord did in fact hear this prayer and acknowledged it affirmatively. I believe He will do it.
He said, I hope so.
That phone call transpired just after midnight, July 1[SUP]st[/SUP], 2015.
Over the next several weeks, I kept google searching for anything related to the investigation and was scratching my head at 6 weeks when nothing was reported. At 8 weeks I was starting to doubt my conviction, but I was so sure of it at the time. As we all know, 8 weeks and 3 days later the news broke about the two men in Missouri arrested in connection to the case.
What struck me at that time was what Sheriff Scott said to the journalists on national TV when he described various details about the cooperation of various agencies and the speed with which they were working, and that in his career time as a policeman he had never before seen such excellence in police work.
I thought it pretty amazing that at that point, 2 of the 3 things prayed for were being addressed, and acknowledged to the Lord that I was sorry for beginning to doubt. When being asked certain questions here that I chose not to answer, I kept my confidence in the Lord that there was nothing to worry about. When God says He will do something, there is nothing to worry about.
And upon reading the affidavit that was released a couple weeks ago, seeing the CWT witness come forward a week or so later after the time of our prayer, and that it was remote, and put the Lee County Investigation onto the suspects in Missouri, which they did not know about until then, struck me, too.
Proverbs 24:17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
Proverbs 24:18 Or the LORD will see it and be displeased, And turn His anger away from him.
Proverbs 24:19 Do not fret because of evildoers Or be envious of the wicked;
Proverbs 24:20 For there will be no future for the evil man; The lamp of the wicked will be put out.
Obadiah 1:12 "Do not gloat over your brother's day, The day of his misfortune. And do not rejoice over the sons of Judah In the day of their destruction; Yes, do not boast In the day of their distress.
Obadiah 1:13 "Do not enter the gate of My people In the day of their disaster. Yes, you, do not gloat over their calamity In the day of their disaster. And do not loot their wealth In the day of their disaster.
Obadiah 1:14 "Do not stand at the fork of the road To cut down their fugitives; And do not imprison their survivors In the day of their distress.
Obadiah 1:15 "For the day of the LORD draws near on all the nations. As you have done, it will be done to you. Your dealings will return on your own head.
Three nights after the murder of Teresa Sievers, Mark called me and we spoke for maybe half an hour. I have shared one or two of the details from that conversation here, as you know. I did not share the following that transpired at the end of that phone conversation. There were three things in particular.
I said to Mark, Can I pray with you about this [murder]? He said, Yes. Go ahead.
I said, Lord God, We come to you in the Name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. In this awful situation, 1) we ask that the police investigation work in this murder be the absolute best work ever, in the history of detective work in the earth that their work is exemplary and efficient; 2) that the murder or murderers will be apprehended quickly; and 3) that justice would be done perfectly. In Jesus Name I pray.
Mark responded with Amen.
I then said to Mark, Mark, I sense strong conviction right now, that the Lord did in fact hear this prayer and acknowledged it affirmatively. I believe He will do it.
He said, I hope so.
That phone call transpired just after midnight, July 1[SUP]st[/SUP], 2015.
Over the next several weeks, I kept google searching for anything related to the investigation and was scratching my head at 6 weeks when nothing was reported. At 8 weeks I was starting to doubt my conviction, but I was so sure of it at the time. As we all know, 8 weeks and 3 days later the news broke about the two men in Missouri arrested in connection to the case.
What struck me at that time was what Sheriff Scott said to the journalists on national TV when he described various details about the cooperation of various agencies and the speed with which they were working, and that in his career time as a policeman he had never before seen such excellence in police work.
I thought it pretty amazing that at that point, 2 of the 3 things prayed for were being addressed, and acknowledged to the Lord that I was sorry for beginning to doubt. When being asked certain questions here that I chose not to answer, I kept my confidence in the Lord that there was nothing to worry about. When God says He will do something, there is nothing to worry about.
And upon reading the affidavit that was released a couple weeks ago, seeing the CWT witness come forward a week or so later after the time of our prayer, and that it was remote, and put the Lee County Investigation onto the suspects in Missouri, which they did not know about until then, struck me, too.
Proverbs 24:17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
Proverbs 24:18 Or the LORD will see it and be displeased, And turn His anger away from him.
Proverbs 24:19 Do not fret because of evildoers Or be envious of the wicked;
Proverbs 24:20 For there will be no future for the evil man; The lamp of the wicked will be put out.
Obadiah 1:12 "Do not gloat over your brother's day, The day of his misfortune. And do not rejoice over the sons of Judah In the day of their destruction; Yes, do not boast In the day of their distress.
Obadiah 1:13 "Do not enter the gate of My people In the day of their disaster. Yes, you, do not gloat over their calamity In the day of their disaster. And do not loot their wealth In the day of their disaster.
Obadiah 1:14 "Do not stand at the fork of the road To cut down their fugitives; And do not imprison their survivors In the day of their distress.
Obadiah 1:15 "For the day of the LORD draws near on all the nations. As you have done, it will be done to you. Your dealings will return on your own head.
Thank you Skinner for sharing your private conversation with MS.
I don't want to steer this thread off into a conversation about God, prayer, salvation etc. Just know you and I are on the same page about many of your convictions. Maybe not in delivery but in belief.
That said, I can only speak for myself but I'm pretty confident I can speak for the vast majority here. There is no gloating over Mark's calamity. I can almost assure your our collective heart is not glad he stumbled.
We are sickened by his actions. God is also grieved. There are laws, both mandated by man and by God that must be followed (Exodus 20:13, Romans 13: 8-10, Matthew 15:19). There are many more verses which speak to God's forgiveness when one is truly repentant.
There is much grief within the community of Teresa's family, friends and patients. She was most loved. While Mark can surely be forgiven by God, he should be held to the standard of the law. We all are held to the standard of the law. I think it is justice that we seek, not vengeance.
Mark's actions have hurt so many people, including you. It is very sad.