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I think there were certain things Juan decided weren't worth pursuing. We don't really know why she lied about the phone (we suspect blackmail), but he wouldn't be able to prove it, and therefore on its surface doesn't seem to be a lie directly related to the murder and premeditation.

He's done this with a few things, and I think it was smart. If he attempted to debunk EVERY lie, she'd still be on the stand. He chose his battles wisely IMO.

This is why I to laugh at the HLN talking heads who claimed Juan "keeps getting stuck in the weeds."

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Good points. I do wonder why he entered the CVS receipt into evidence but we never saw what was purchased nor have we seen it again, wonder if he was using that for time frame as well?
 
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I agree!

Her demeanor brings out a primitive response in me -- like one of those village folk of old who lobbed raw eggs and rotten vegetables at the criminal. She makes me want to grab a few overripe tomatoes and hurl them at her just to see her wince.

IKWYM....I find myself hating her voice, her smug smile, her glee during the sexual parts, how she colors, how she drinks water and most of all, how she tilts her head back slightly and then looks over to the jury to answer each and every question...UGH...she drives sane people over the edge!
 
imo, Jodi erased them all otherwise voicemails to Travis' phone would of people wondering where the heck he is since he didn't make it to 7pm conference call.

I the LE would of have his voicemails, they would of had more on Travis' last 24 hours.

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Does anyone know if the police find any voicemails on TA's phone or had JA erased them all?
 
The same thing happens on my iPad. Does it not happen on a PC? That is one reason I don't reply as often as I might want. :seeya:

When I reply on a computer, I right click and open it by making a new tab I open response in a new tab. that way when I am finished with the response I merely close the tab and go back to the page I was reading. Hope that helps. If anyone knows how to do it on phones and iPad let us all know!

Also with tap a talk, when you come back later and login after your close Websleuths down it does not get you to your first unread. It goes anywhere and no where but not where you were if you know what I mean.

unlike on the computer where you can click on the *last read* button and it will send you straight to where you left off.:)

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The TH got all upset that Martinez allowed Jodi to testify on cross that she shot Travis first. How could he let her go against what he told the jury in his Opening? He told them she stabbed him first...

I think it was brilliant. He let her box herself into a story he could completely decimate on rebuttal.

*nods vigorously*

He did that several times...especially while waiting to cross the "experts"

They all hung themselves :lol:
 
Just for verification: Jodi said she was going to be there at 9am or did Ryan assume she was?

I just reached this point in cross when I saw your question. JM asked if "If you had left Pasedena around the time you said you were going to leave, you would have arrived in West Jordan, UT about 10 or 11am, right?"

She agreed with that.

JM asks "In talking to Mr. Burns, you never told him that you were NOT going to go straight through to UT, did you?"

"No, because I was going to go," was her reply.

JM then asks if she'd communicated to Burns at any time before arriving in Mesa that she was going to make a detour.

"No, I didn't."
 
Yes, that's Darryl's son. What do you think the significance of these times are?

She didn't give JM a specific time, just that she wanted to get there before Jack went to school. Jack didn't testify, so I don't know if Jack really saw her. And I thought Darryl's ex-wife had custody of this boy. Why is he getting Jack ready for school? Darryl lives in Jack's school district as that Jack can take a bus or did Darryl have to drive Jack to school?

Who do you think was in Redding that traveled with her to St. Cruz?

The rental car guy said a male was with her when she rented the car but we never heard who it was.
 
I know..seriously. She is supposed to be selling us this diagnosis of severe PTSD---and yet she says she planned to go camping in the remote wilderness with 4 guys she barely knows, and who frighten her to the point that she needs to buy a Glock? Right....:liar:

And this time she made sure she had a "better" gun!
 
Did they ever say why there was no tracking feature on the rental car

Depending on the area and the value of vehicle rented, some rental companies put LoJacks in their vehicles. LoJacks do NOT work in all areas of the country, but it WOULD have shown her rental in California, down the coast, and Arizona until she went North of Maricopa county. It's most commonly installed on high end rentals or high car theft areas. Her rental car didn't fit either of those criteria.

I don't have a clue about OnStar, how it works, or if that option was available to her in 2008 on that particular vehicle.

I would have liked to seen any web history of her "Mapquest" directions that she supposedly printed out for her "road trip" from June 3-6......
 
BBM~ Yorba Linda, CA.

Oh, thanks!:seeya:

That's insanely close to Pasadena, CA, but if his calendar is right, he was in Santa Cruz when she was in Pasadena, right? Wonder if they could have met up in Santa Cruz.

His calendar says out of town june 2nd. It says some santa cruz engagement at 730pm on 3rd. We have no calls to him though.
 
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From , timeline according to court file


Everyone kept bailing, Jodi represented herself to do the pedophile letters nonsense, when that failed, she requested the lawyers represent her again. Nurmi tried , several times to be removed from the case. I guess no one wanted to touch that perjury with a ten foot pole, even Nurmi. You just can't make this stuff up!!!

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(Aug 18, 2009 Nurmi makes 1st appearance)

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington and Kirk Nurmi appear as counsel along with Maria Schaffer and Gregory Parzych at an evidentiary hearing. Of interest, this hearing was to determine if there is probable cause to add an Aggravating Factor that will make this a death penalty case. This is where the prosecution presents to the Court that the victim was shot first, then repeatedly stabbed, then stabbed in the heart and finally had throat slit. Detective Flores represents to the court that he spoke with the Medical Examiner Dr. Horne and that this is the sequence of events Dr. Horne gave him.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington (secondary) and Kirk Nurmi (primary) are assigned as new defense counsel.

On 11/3/09 new trial date of 8/16/2010 is set. This is per the request of defense counsel who previously stated they need more time to prepare.

On 6/18/10 the trial date was reset to 8/2/2011.

On 2/25/11 Kirk Nurmi announced to the Court that he is leaving the Public Defender’s Office.

On 3/8/2011 a hearing is held regarding Kirk Nurmi withdrawing as defense consel. Very interesting minutes. Defendant strenuously objected to new counsel and possibility of pushing back trial date. The Court noted that “Once a case is set for trial, counsel may not withdraw except upon motion providing the name and address of another attorney, along with a statement from that attorney stating that he or she has been advised of the trial date and will be prepared for trial. Rule 6.3(c). No such motion or statement has been filed in this case. “ Mr. Nurmi was ordered to continue as the lead defense counsel at the standard public defender hourly rate paid to the primary defense counsel.

On 3/9/2011 Mr. Nurmi submitted a formal motion to withdraw and as hearing on the motion was set for 3/21/2011.

On 3/21/2011 Mr. Nurmi’s motion to withdraw as counsel is denied. At this hearing the State’s request to change the trial date due to a scheduling conflict with State Attorney Juan M Martinez was also denied.

On 3/22/2011 another hearing is held with a second motion to withdraw by Mr. Nurmi. After the hearing on the previous day the Public Defender Office notified Mr. Nurmi that they were withdrawing the mitigation specialist, investigator, and paralegal because the Public Defender Office does not want Mr. Nurmi directing staff when he is no longer an employee. The Court ordered that Mr. Nurmi motion was denied and he was required to remain as the primary counsel and that the Public Defender Office must immediately reassign the personnel to the case.

On 4/4/2011 Mr. Nurmi stated his objection to remaining on the case during a status hearing as he has left the Public Defender Office to go into private practice. The Court found that Mr. Nurmi has an ethical obligation to continue representing the defendant but would begin receiving a reasonable hourly rate of $225.00 as compensation to avoid any financial interests that would place Mr. Nurmi in conflict with his client.

On 8/8/2011 defendant has a hearing on an oral motion she submitted to represent herself. At the end of the hearing this motion is granted but Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington are to remain as advisory counsel, with Victoria Washington as primary. The evidentiary hearing on the purported letters from Travis Alexander alleging he is a pedophile is held with Ms. Arias as defense counsel.

On 8/9/2011 during a normal status conference both Victoria Washington and Kirk Nurmi address the Court as to the roles and responsibility of advisory counsel, and the primary counsel (which is now the defendant). The Court agrees and addresses this with Ms. Arias and asks her if she wishes to remain as her own counsel. She states she will continue as primary counsel.

On 8/15/2011 the evidentiary hearing regarding the “pedophile” letters is completed. The Court orders that the letters are precluded and the defense withdraws them. At the end of this hearing Ms. Arias submits an oral request to withdraw as her own counsel and requests that Mr. Nurmi and Victoria Washington be reinstated as defense counsel. The Court orders Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington to represent the defendant in all further proceedings.

On 9/9/2011 the trial date is reset to 2/21/2012 due to the primary defense witness needing to withdraw because of a health issue. A new witness will need to be retained and allowed time to prepare for the trial.

On 12/22/2011 a hearing was held on a motion from the Public Defender Office to withdraw from this case due to a conflict of interest with Victoria Washington. Motion was allowed but the Public Defender Office will appoint a new second counsel, investigator, mitigation specialist, and paralegal. Victoria Washington is released as counsel.

On 1/3/2012 a hearing was held on a motion to continue trial due to assignment of new counsel. New secondary counsel Jennifer L Willmott was assigned by the Public Defender Office. Defendant agreed and waived the applicable time limit. Trial date was changed to 10/17/2012.

Wow I had no idea !
 
Hi Yes or No,

This is the third time I've tried to respond to your post! Each previous attempt vent phffft each time I tried to submit it.

Anyvay :)floorlaugh:):

I knov you're not making fun of me. It gives me great pleasure to make some of you laugh. I believe that non-mean laughter is so poverful. Laughter can heal us, and laughter can cause real, genuine, social change. Tyrants don't like laughter . . . and I assume that psychopaths also don't like it--that is, assuming they even understand vhat it means.

Thanks for the invitation to the Sidebar. The vings, drinks, and music sound appealing. But the hottub? I assume that vater and Count Beckula don't mix!

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:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: but the vings are really good and so's the music. :floorlaugh:
 
We've got rain in Georgia. I don't even want to go to the grocery store in it. My girls got in ALL the puddles, so their paws are wet up to their ankles. (do dogs have ankles?)
Same rain up here in the NC mountains PLUS heavy fog... love it! Oh.. and I have to personally escort my three off the front... they HATE getting their feet wet..lol
 
Here are the HLN travel and call maps. I finally got them again. Oh, I had Wendy's.

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I agree with that, however, I would expect any mother to beg for their child's life to be spared.

True. But Jodi's mother is not begging. She is laughing, smirking, and generally behaving in an extremely disrespectful way towards the Court and the victim's family.
 
I saved a picture I found of Jodi and thought I'd have a little fun with it and make her look like Linda Blair on The Exorcist or.. something. Then I realized I didn't need to make any changes at all. :doorhide:

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Beautiful here in MA today, sunny, not to warm and dry. I always dread the summer because of the humidity.
To bad Jodi will never get to see nice days anymore. But then again, I will be estatic.
 
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Who
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Wished she'd never fix it- I love it. :seeya:
 
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