State rests rebuttal case- thread #165

[Aliz488]

If you notice JODI mom Sniffles, no wiping tears. Also they don't show much sympathy towards the death of travis, Just Jodi and her poor problems.

 

[Schuby]

Anyone else having server problems?

 

[GoAskAllie]

Why can't JM bring in another specialist to rebut the testimony Geffner will give?

JM will annihilate Dr. Geffner under cross and when given an opportunity to recross following juror questions. There are parameters around what Dr. Geffner can testify to and let's face it, we're at the point where the law of diminishing returns comes into play. Best to proceed to closing arguments and get the case in the hands of the jury so there can be a verdict. JMO.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This back door maneuvering the DT is attempting should be stopped though. If this guy does testify like he's some medical expert with more medical knowledge than Dr. Horn and then has his testimony thrown out, the jury will have heard his bs.:banghead:

Surrebuttal on the BPD JM elicited from Dr. Demarte, that's tolerable. But this? :stormingmad:

I really don't see her allowing it, she may let him give his "expert" opinion as to whether or not someone could verbalize after being shot in the head (which he will be paid to say yes), and whether someone could ambulate after the shot (which he will be paid to say yes. It may just be me, but I really don't think he will be a witness anyone needs to worry about. Juan will wrap him up like an anaconda does their prey.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Putting this neuropsychologist on the stand tells me that the defense sees the writing on the wall and it reads... GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

This is their last-ditch effort to avert a 1st degree murder charge AND a sentence of death for their client. It's all they've got left.

JMO ~

This ridiculous defense, their incompetent experts, could not have done a better job of assuring her guilty verdict if they tried. They might as well all have met up and walked her over to the prison for her injection...

 

[zoozoo]

Yeah, from what I have been reading this guy will be even easier to discredit than the other two experts, especially when it's mentioned that he's friends with Laviolette (huh, wonder how the DT heard about him...:facepalm.

And the jury will be soooo mad. What a sham. I think the DT is crazy for wanting this but hey, let them hang themselves, I guess. I don't think the jury trusts them anymore anyway.

IIRC When JM was crossing JA or when she was answering jury questions and JM was doing follow up to those questions, JM asked JA who she had told about pedophilia claims and JA said something about a psychologist from San Diego that she had told, but she didn't remember his name. I bet this was Dr. Geffner and maybe HE was the one who recommended ALV.

 

[Schuby]

JM will annihilate Dr. Geffner under cross and when given an opportunity to recross following juror questions. There are parameters around what Dr. Geffner can testify to and let's face it, we're at the point where the law of diminishing returns comes into play. Best to proceed to closing arguments and get the case in the hands of the jury so there can be a verdict. JMO.

So true about diminishing returns. At some point it's just cannon fodder. (Though it was not done before the jury, I think we can all agree that the photo of a giant eyeball with a Mexican Chihuahua traced on top was surely the DT's jump the shark moment.)

 

[GoAskAllie]

I wonder if this new guy took any notes... Did Dr. D's notes get put into evidence? We know ALV didn't take any and RS well, his don't count.

IRRC, ALV had "notes" but did not prepare/submit a report.

 

[LambChop]

But isn't that the "broken" finger?

It's not broken. If it were broken a doctor could verify it. No doctor was ever called to the stand to verify it was broken. We have seen no x-rays. Defense knows what happened to that finger. They saw her statement to Flores. Defense knows she lying but act as if they are ignorant of what she told Flores. This is the type of stuff that needs to stop. It's a lie, they know it's a lie and they are permitted to present it in court as the truth. They essentially are lying to the jury. After watching this case what juror in the future would trust a defense attorney.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

JA was headed for a bloody meltdown for over a year...no doubt about it. I imagine Travis witnessed some of her unstable behavior, more than we'll ever know. I think she was in the meltdown even before Travis, in the early stages. All the financial trouble, her mood swings, etc. The realization that she was never going to be Travis's wife was IT.
I have no techie ability, but I have come to believe that she was not invited to Travis's and he didn't know she was coming. I've battled with this so much. I remember reading that Travis did a protection ritual, according to one of his friends or roommates. That made me think he did know she was coming but the longer this goes the more I doubt it. I think she snuck him. I've been reading many sources that question the validity of the photos supposedly taken of them being intimate that day and I have my doubts....

 

[nawd68]

Because she's stuck with the lies she told originally about the cuts during the "I wasn't there" phase of her defense.

But that doesn't make sense. She was also stuck in her lies that she didn't kill Travis. We know that stabbing someone can cause cuts. I just find it so odd that she can't admit to it. Is it so awful to admit this?

 

[aa9511]

I know right .. why not just cough it up and admit you did it during the killing? I think it's because she just can't help herself. Perhaps she thought it was important to stick to some lies she had told early on for consistency and didn't want to look like she had lied about everything even though she had? So lying to give impression of honesty .. somehow?

Yes, except she made brand new lies about the finger IN THE MIDDLE of the trial...I was really confused about that too. I just rewatched Day 26 (or 25?) of the trial, and here is what I noted:

- Jodi admitted during Juan's cross that she hurt her left index finger during the killing (the same finger she had been claiming happened after the "pedo" incident).
- Then, once she realizes the mistake she's made, a couple of minutes later she says to Mr. Martinez that she thought he had been talking about the pedo finger injury. Even though they had been talking about the killing the whole time, so there's no way she could have been confused about which day and which injury. But I don't think she actually slipped up and made a mistake, there's no way she would have made such a serious mistake and repeated it a couple of times. I think what happened is that because she is basically memorizing all the "incidents" and virtually everything that is in the trial, she has multiple let's say "databases" in her brain. This box is for the abuse incidents, this box is for things related to Matt, this box ia for Darryl, this box is things leading up the the killing, this box is killing...and one of those boxes is for her supposed injuries - let's say the Injury Box. So when he was asking her about injuries from the killing...she automatically went to her "injury box" to retrieve everything she had memorized in there. In this box are the various finger injuires. But when he was asking her if she hurt her head since she claimed she hit her head on the tile, it suddenly came to her that she had to say something about her head...this wasn't in her "box" before. So her mind was busy trying to formulate an answer to include the maybe "bruised skull," and she was so busy thinking that she didn't realize that the finger injury from her Injury Box was actually from the "pedo incident", not from killing.
- So then the next day during re-direct, she had to fix her mistake about the left index finger. She then said she "doesn't remember" if it was injured on June 4 or not...and she's "not saying if there was or wasn't." So basically what she did there was fix her mistake by saying oh I'm not saying that there was but I'm not saying there wasn't, either. So slick.
- Then she ADDS a NEW finger injury to her story. Her right index finger was hurt on May 31st or June 1st when she was moving the margarita glasses at Casa Ramos. I don't know what the point of the addition of this "injury" was for...I guess they were trying to say this accounts for one of the fingers with the bandaid that Ryan Burns saw? But it doesn't make sense because she THEN says....
- the injuries to the REST of her fingers on her right hand were from dropping a glass on the morning of June 4 when she was getting water from the water dispenser at Travis' house. So that's supposed to account for the right hand injuries...oh except for the right index finger which was due to the Casa Ramos incident. To me, the Casa Ramos incident is not even necessary she could have just said all the ones on the right hand fingers were from dropping the glass. She just can't help but add to her lies!
- in Nurmi's re-direct, she goes back to saying her left ring finger was hurt on Jan 22 after the "pedo incident.
- then I recall there was also what she had told ALV something about hurting one of her fingers cutting green apples.

ALL THIS CONFUSION.....

goes back to your point...why didn't she just ADMIT that her finger injuries were from the killing?? I don't get it either. Obviously she is saving her left ring finger injury to support her "pedo" claim. But why did she feel the need to make stories for all her other finger injuries?

 

[GreenEyesBlue]

I know right .. why not just cough it up and admit you did it during the killing? I think it's because she just can't help herself. Perhaps she thought it was important to stick to some lies she had told early on for consistency and didn't want to look like she had lied about everything even though she had? So lying to give impression of honesty .. somehow?

I think it's because it is the only physical injury she shows -- and she needs to say TA did it to show some physical abuse.

 

[Schuby]

But that doesn't make sense. She was also stuck in her lies that she didn't kill Travis. We know that stabbing someone can cause cuts. I just find it so odd that she can't admit to it. Is it so awful to admit this?

But she doesn't admit....it's a fog. She can't claim she got the cuts while stabbing him if she doesn't remember stabbing him.

 

[katiedid2]

New interrogation videos on Hln or more complete. Guess Jodie wasnt allowed to live with them because she didnt like his rules (dad)
The dad I feel for the man is ill and dealing with this evil daughter.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

The one that really bugs me the most is:

Realtor ... ree-al-tor

When people say ree la tor ... it drives me crazy. JMO

For me, it's:


creek.... crick

fish..... feesh

 

[bettybaby00]

Sundawnn: that's a whole lotta info to digest!!!!

I've have always felt those pis from that "day" we're suspect. I've also never really believed her accounts with regard to the sexcapades, especially the time after her baptism. She hadn't known him for very long, If he really did that in the manner in which she testified, she would have felt raped, anyone would, and the burgeoning relationship would be over.

 

[nawd68]

But she doesn't admit....it's a fog. She can't claim she got the cuts while stabbing him if she doesn't remember stabbing him.

But she can admit that she doesn't remember how she got cut, right? We know her blood was there. It just doesn't make sense. I hope the jury sees her for the liar she is.

 

[ClosArgs]

Rained here all day on Saturday and I decided to listen again to JA's direct (many words not fit for tender ears followed.). It was horrendous listening to it, but wanted to make a comment about a mistake I believe Nurmi made. I was surprised a couple of times when JA was in "tears", then Nurmi would say, "now I want to go back" and ask another less volatile question. JA would flip like a light switch and dry eyed answer the question in a very composed manner. For the court watchers how close was the jury to JA during her testimony?

On Sunday still bad weather so I listened to cross to cheer myself. I can't believe the talking heads were so critical of his agressive manner with her. Within the 16 minute mark of the D. Lohr video of first cross, Juan had completely demolished the St. Jodi martyr facade, exposed JA as an argumentative, defiant and sexually complicit nonvictim.

 

[Schuby]

But she can admit that she doesn't remember how she got cut, right? We know her blood was there. It just doesn't make sense. I hope the jury sees her for the liar she is.

No, she claims to know how. She testified that she jammed it on a metal drying rack at work.