The 90 minutes Terri spent driving around--Do you believe it?

[BeanE]

1. It was stated in the KATU article TH stated she had an earache - of course, that's the media "saying what TH said" :crazy:

2. Going off my most recent experience with my 16 m/o niece, there were many times we thought she was sick - cold or whatnot - then, several days later, a tooth popped out and we'd say "oh, I guess she was teething!". So, there are similar symptoms which should be eased with otc ibuprofin or acetamenephen - but, all babies are different.

Although, wasn't baby about 18 months at the time? That would be too old to be teething. Or am I off on the age?

The KATU article and earache. Earache doesn't mean infection or sick to me. Earache can be from teething. I've had earaches that certainly weren't infections, and I wasn't sick. Once a gross piece of wax. Once an absessed tooth (my ear ached horribly, but never became infected, and I was never sick.)

So far as age for teeth, God I don't remember when the different teeth come in. I just remember my son's teeth were VERY late. His teeth were WAY behind other kids his age. With both his baby teeth and his second teeth.

 

[liz b.]

Yes, but would you have drug your colicky or teething baby around town? To two different stores, Starbucks and the gym?




1. It was stated in the KATU article TH stated she had an earache - of course, that's the media "saying what TH said" :crazy:

2. Going off my most recent experience with my 16 m/o niece, there were many times we thought she was sick - cold or whatnot - then, several days later, a tooth popped out and we'd say "oh, I guess she was teething!". So, there are similar symptoms which should be eased with otc ibuprofin or acetamenephen - but, all babies are different.

Although, wasn't baby about 18 months at the time? That would be too old to be teething. Or am I off on the age?




I agree with all you said! And, if TH wasn't involved in Kyrons disappearance, she's got to be the unluckiest person in the world to choose the same time Kyron went missing to drive aimlessly on rural roads.

Actually, yes I did used to take that particular child out. His colic would be raging one minute,and gone the next. The car rides lulled him to sleep, and that was part of the reason I drove him. Once he turned the magical age of 2,though,it stopped... Thank God lol....

 

[nurseratchett]

I think the strong alibi was needed from 9-10.

As she said, that's when she thought he went missing. Perhaps a huge truth there.

A subconcious "excited utterance" maybe???

I bet the FBI profilers/BAU are analyzing every word she says.

 

[KeenEyes]

Two questions -

- Has anyone besides Andrea said baby K was sick? I don't recall that from anyone else.

- For those of you with babies, is a teething baby considered 'sick' nowadays? I've never heard of teething being considered sick, but I'm learning that things have changed since my son was a baby.

The second year brings two sets of molars which have a harder time breaking through the gums. For this reason, they tend to cause more pain than those first year incisors. Generally, irritability is the only symptom, but sometimes teething is accompanied by swelling and a low grade fever. Most pediatricians agree that if a higher grade fever is present, it is not caused by the teething, but by illness, such as an infection. Still, I think the term sick is commonly used to describe a child's crankiness at these times. Perhaps, Andrea is not a parent and used the term loosely or was just restating what was conveyed to her by TH. FWIW

After back-reading:
ETA1 The first set of molars is usually cut between 12 and 15 months; a second set will probably come through in the months before a child's second birthday.
ETA2 The main cause of fever during teething is the pressure created by the new teeth on the infant’s ear canal and sinus cavities. The ear canal may then become filled with fluid that cannot escape resulting in the growth of bacteria and ultimately the development of an ear infection.

 

[SurfieTX]

Baby K wasn't feeling well the day before either.

So just go ahead and haul the kid around like a sack of potatoes. Whatever.

A cranky kid is not a fun kid in public. I've been to the grocery store. I've been shopping.

I see those frustrated parents who probably have no choice in bringing their children with them. I always make a pleasant comment just to let them know that I understand.

But to bring a cranky kid all over when one does not have to? Why why why?

Every part of her day would make sense to me (leaving the school earlier than Kaine and DY thought, driving to get medicine, driving baby K around, missing the talent show and not picking up the project) in the context of baby K being sick. The monkey wrench for me is the gym visit. I mean, I understand dedication and all of that, but sometimes we as moms need to be a little more flexible when our kids get sick.

 

[tehcloser]

When mine were babies and they were fussy or ill, we drove. It seemed to sooth them and that soothed "the mommy". Then, when they were older and something was bothering them...we drove. They talked, it soothed them and well...yada yada yada. Now with the Grands...I do the same thing. I even drove my grown married daughter around the other day...she came in and said "Mom, lets drive", that was my cue. In about an hour she went from hating her hubby, to thinking he is the greatest man in the world. Sometimes driving is GOOD.

 

[wenwe4]

First Observation: I assume the baby didn't have a temperature during the times she was at the gym daycare - unless there were no other babies or children there. Does the gym daycare have a sick room? I cannot imagine it due to the liability for the facility and rules for daycares in Oregon. Andrea knew that baby K was ill the day before.

2nd observation: NO KYRON w/TH during that time @ FM but the baby was with her, according to Andrea.

3rd observation: we would need to know if any traffic delays were in effect for these hours (ie: road construction, accidents/wrecks) on these roads during these specific hours of that date. **I just returned from PDX on Wed after spending the weekend. We drove North and South on the freeways as well as rural and suburban roads. We got stuck in stopped traffic in Hillsboro about 10 blocks from our destination - while they were tearing up water/sewer line. The only other way into this area was about 5 miles around and you still had to get through backed up traffic. On our way home east out of PDX a semi crashed into the jersey barrier - pushing a section of it into oncoming traffic and caught fire. We were sitting in traffic for quite some time before 2 firetrucks passed us. It took us nearly an hour to get 5 miles to get through the detour, we later heard the freeway was closed for 6 hours. PDX traffic is stop and go on the freeways during the daytime hours (at least that was my experience). The rural roads were a little easier to manage and tended to move much more smoothly.

 

[Trident]

I think the strong alibi was needed from 9-10.

As she said, that's when she thought he went missing. Perhaps a huge truth there.

Yes, I agree, especially since we heard (somewhere) Kyron was marked absent at 10:00 AM.

 

[BeanE]

Baby K wasn't feeling well the day before either.

So just go ahead and haul the kid around like a sack of potatoes. Whatever.

A cranky kid is not a fun kid in public. I've been to the grocery store. I've been shopping.

I see those frustrated parents who probably have no choice in bringing their children with them. I always make a pleasant comment just to let them know that I understand.

But to bring a cranky kid all over when one does not have to? Why why why?

So she shouldn't have gone to Kyron's science fair? Or she should have?

She shouldn't have tried to get her fussy baby medicine? Or she should have?

The baby really was sick? Really was fussy? Or it was all a lie?

I'm so confused at this point, my head is spinning.

ETA: Just jumping off your post.

 

[nurseratchett]

Two questions -

- Has anyone besides Andrea said baby K was sick? I don't recall that from anyone else.

- For those of you with babies, is a teething baby considered 'sick' nowadays? I've never heard of teething being considered sick, but I'm learning that things have changed since my son was a baby.

I have to agree, and would not say a teething baby was "sick", yet, working where I do, (ER) I hear hundreds of adjectives to describe illness, so don't put much weight to which word people use.

I also see people bleeding profusely, having heart attacks, or other illnesses adamantly deny being sick/ill/in pain/feeling funny/ whatever, while others with gas or a mosquito bite claim they're dying.

I think that descriptor-sick- and it's meaning could be as variable as the number of theories in this case....

 

[loves2bmom]

I didn't vote because I'm on the fence.
It's about 20 mins from around the school and that area down to the gym,
so if she drove on HWY 30 like her one e-mail says, you can deduct 40 minutes (20 mins from FM to Skyline area, 20 mins from Skyline area back to gym -assuming she went over to HWY 30 during her drive)..

Hope that makes sense..

I've actually have timed the drive from the gym up to Old Germantown, I have to say google maps are pretty spot on with their driving times.

I'm still working on some theories of where she drove "randomly"..

Of course I saw a lot of spots on some roads that are not well traveled that one could do a handoff or God forbid, put someone down the hill.. (for example the areas I saw searchers on Old Germantown this weekend)..

I want to work on the timeline and map (on google) driving from FM on Walker, out to HWY 30, then randomly around on the roads LE asked for , and see what time frames I come up with..

*deleted link, map is not saving.. ughh
***hopefully this works
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...122.83741&sspn=0.261873,0.545883&ie=UTF8&z=11

You need to be on LE's payroll. Great detective work for sure!

 

[wenwe4]

Yes, I agree, especially since we heard (somewhere) Kyron was marked absent at 10:00 AM.

Andrea said she was questioned by LE about that day 1) if the children were with her

Andrea said between 9:30 and 10:00 definately because she was going to Borders afterwards.
(see 3:26 @ this link)
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...er-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

1)TH looking for medicine
2) TH showed pic of Kyron's science project
3) TH science fair going on a couple of hours
4) TH pretty quiet typically not very social normally

 

[SurfieTX]

So she shouldn't have gone to Kyron's science fair? Or she should have?

She shouldn't have tried to get her fussy baby medicine? Or she should have?

The baby really was sick? Really was fussy? Or it was all a lie?

I'm so confused at this point, my head is spinning.

ETA: Just jumping off your post.

She was expected to go to the fair for Kyron and left earlier than others thought - acceptable.

Drove to get medications - acceptable.

Drove baby K around - acceptable.

Gym - not acceptable, to me.

Not going to talent show or picking up project - acceptable.

When I had a fussy kid and had obligations, I would pick the most important ones and put the others off.

 

[Kimster]

I have to agree, and would not say a teething baby was "sick", yet, working where I do, (ER) I hear hundreds of adjectives to describe illness, so don't put much weight to which word people use.

I also see people bleeding profusely, having heart attacks, or other illnesses adamantly deny being sick/ill/in pain/feeling funny/ whatever, while others with gas or a mosquito bite claim they're dying.

I think that descriptor-sick- and it's meaning could be as variable as the number of theories in this case....

Thanks for posting this because I didn't know how to phrase my thoughts. I totally agree. We still don't know what was wrong with Baby K?

I had two babies and each of them handled illness in their own unique way. It is really hard from me to judge this part of the case so I'm waiting for more information.

ETA: I was unable to vote in this poll because I'm not ready to make a decision.

 

[STEADFAST]

So she shouldn't have gone to Kyron's science fair? Or she should have?

She shouldn't have tried to get her fussy baby medicine? Or she should have?

The baby really was sick? Really was fussy? Or it was all a lie?

I'm so confused at this point, my head is spinning.

I'm still confused about whether the baby was at the school, and, if not, where she was and when did she end up back with Terri to be driven around? And, if she was, why no mention of fussy baby at SF by anyone, including Terri.
What is fussy baby medicine? Painkiller (like teething balm or whatever it is that babies take instead of aspirin? Or baby cold medicine -- do they even make that?)
Personally, I took earaches seriously and would take the children right to the doctor if they had an earache, so I don't get driving around for an earache -- how would driving make an ear stop hurting? Or teeth stop hurting? Colic, yes. Boredom fussing, yes. But, earache???
I think the driving around to calm the baby story is a lie. Driving around to find a good spot to hide Kyron is more like it, IMO.

 

[Emma Peel]

I think the strong alibi was needed from 9-10.

As she said, that's when she thought he went missing. Perhaps a huge truth there.

Now THAT is something I've thought too. Having an accomplice would mean that is the key time-frame she'd need to be seriously alibied as having left school with no Kyron and having handed him over (somehow) to an accomplice.

We may well learn that this fussy toddler driving 90 minutes is a mere red herring of our own making. :crazy:

Slightly O/T but just for comparison of coinkidinks. The HUGE red flag coinkidink for me is the MFH. I want to know more about it. The investigation priorities for Kyron's case may lay squarely upon the MFH, in fact. IMO, if you're capable of MFH for your husband without anyone noticing, you're capable of arranging same (or at least a kidnapping) for his son. You will have a much harder time talking me out of that MFH coinkidink than fussy toddler alibis for 90 minutes of time.

(Yes, I have changed my shoes for the garden. Does that count as time spent on my gardening chore?) :blushing:

 

[BeanE]

She was expected to go to the fair for Kyron and left earlier than others thought - acceptable.

Drove to get medications - acceptable.

Drove baby K around - acceptable.

Gym - not acceptable, to me.

Not going to talent show or picking up project - acceptable.

When I had a fussy kid and had obligations, I would pick the most important ones and put the others off.

I'm going to print it, laminate it, and carry it around.

Thanks, Surfie. :blowkiss:

 

[human]

I have to respond as a teacher with the term "sick".

As a teacher, I would get very upset when parents brought their sick children to school. I know it makes daycare issues because only extremely special daycares take sick children. Like one in a jillion.

I was upset because I knew that other kids would get sick as well and I know that medical care is not cheap and it inconveniences other people as well.

If it was obvious, I would tell the parent the child had to go home. Otherwise, I would send the parent with the child to the school nurse who actually was qualified to make some kind of determination. Often the nurse told the parent to call the doctor, as she should.

After teachings thousands of children over the years (at one point I was an elementary art teacher and taught 1,500 different students every 2 weeks) and raising my own children, I still had no feeling that I was a medical authority on children's illnesses.

Why does that matter? Because as a teacher I have seen children with undiagnosed brain tumors, diabetes and most of all, intermittent hearing losses because of ear infections. Things teachers noticed.

Hearing losses which cause learning difficulties because a child hears distorted sounds or only high or low pitched sounds. As a reading specialist, Terri would know this. Ears are nothing to be low laissez about.

 

[human]

Now THAT is something I've thought too. Having an accomplice would mean that is the key time-frame she'd need to be seriously alibied as having left school with no Kyron and having handed him over (somehow) to an accomplice.

We may well learn that this fussy toddler driving 90 minutes is a mere red herring of our own making. :crazy:

Slightly O/T but just for comparison of coinkidinks. The HUGE red flag coinkidink for me is the MFH. I want to know more about it. The investigation priorities for Kyron's case may lay squarely upon the MFH, in fact. IMO, if you're capable of MFH for your husband without anyone noticing, you're capable of arranging same (or at least a kidnapping) for his son. You will have a much harder time talking me out of that MFH coinkidink than fussy toddler alibis for 90 minutes of time.

(Yes, I have changed my shoes for the garden. Does that count as time spent on my gardening chore?) :blushing:

I'm sitting outside in my yard on the puter looking at my garden with the weeds looking at me.

It's been raining here at night for days and the grass is so nice and lush. I don't get how the grass can be mowed in Portland as the blades just make the grass lie down and the mower sinks into the ground. I need a Portland landscaper who knows how to deal with these conditions.

 

[Annazed]

2nd observation: NO KYRON w/TH during that time @ FM but the baby was with her, according to Andrea.

Just a snip from your observant post; no Kyron at the store.

I think that Terri's need for DS was just that simple. DS had to sit with Kyron in the distantly parked car so Terri could be seen to be blamelessly shopping with baby K in tow. As to why DS would make herself part of such a crime one can only speculate, but from a logistics standpoint it seems just that simple to me. If this is the case (it is a speculation) the depths of depravity of these two seem unfathomable.