The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

I knew about Alison Arngrin (Nellie from "Little House On The Prairie"), Traci Lords and Oprah, and some of the others, but I didn't know about Marie Osmund and Goldie Hawn. That is truly tragic for those women.
I know some may disagree, but it is also tragic that they choose not to name their abuser, dead or still alive. In Terri Hatcher's book, she names the person who abused her, though it must have been hard.
Keeping their secret, even while admitting their abuse, only enables them to abuse again or to think that they are not responsible for what they did or that the person they abused caused them to do it.

absolutely.the abuser needs to be held accountable.
I think JR should have held Patsy accountable as well.I'm not sure if he was abusing JB or not,but she sure shouldn't have been allowed to get away with JB's death,even if she didn't mean to do it.

 

[DeeDee249]

absolutely.the abuser needs to be held accountable.
I think JR should have held Patsy accountable as well.I'm not sure if he was abusing JB or not,but she sure shouldn't have been allowed to get away with JB's death,even if she didn't mean to do it.

I agree. I often wonder what, if any, kind of conversations JR has had with his son over the years. Has he ever sat down with him and asked exactly what he remembers from that awful night? What did he hear? What did he think then? Now? Did he have any questions or thoughts he wanted to share?
I bet that JR has NEVER discussed that night with his son. EVER. They rushed him out of the house, and from the moment the Rs abandoned their daughter's tiny corpse in the house, BR acted like she never existed at all. This is such abnormal behavior that I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. BR seemed to me at that age (9) as an odd kid, but this behaviour is still too abnormal to be acceptable in anyone other than a severely disturbed child.

 

[JMO8778]

I agree. I often wonder what, if any, kind of conversations JR has had with his son over the years. Has he ever sat down with him and asked exactly what he remembers from that awful night? What did he hear? What did he think then? Now? Did he have any questions or thoughts he wanted to share?
I bet that JR has NEVER discussed that night with his son. EVER. They rushed him out of the house, and from the moment the Rs abandoned their daughter's tiny corpse in the house, BR acted like she never existed at all. This is such abnormal behavior that I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. BR seemed to me at that age (9) as an odd kid, but this behaviour is still too abnormal to be acceptable in anyone other than a severely disturbed child.

I totally agree.
That is so strange..my son used to cry when the fish or his hermit crab died..I can't imagine how he would have felt had it been his sis.I'm sure he would have been completely devastated,and in denial to some degree;if asked to draw a family pic,I believe he would have included her for quite some time.

 

[DeeDee249]

His behavior leaving the house that morning was so strange too. He apparently walked out with a toy under his arm, and at age 9 would have been expected to at least ASK whether they were still going on vacation. Remember there was a Disney cruise planned, too. His behavior is what would be expected of a toddler. FW was the one who admittedly got him up, dressed and took him to his home. I've never seen FW speak about what he said to BR that morning, or what BR said to him.
By this silence (silence can say a LOT) I have to infer that BR KNEW his sister was gone, KNEW they weren't going on that vacation. Now, if he KNEW it- he was awake and interacting with his parents BEFORE that 911 call and the arrival a few moments later of LE and the R posse.
A normal kid, even a jealous one, would CRY if a sibling was kidnapped or dead, even if out of fear for their OWN safety. He seemed completely neutral, detached.
Detached is a good way to describe him. I wonder if there was evidence of this disturbing behavior before that night?
This detachment can be a defense mechanism for some kids- a way of coping with the horror or their knowledge.
But in this case, he seemed to be abnormally accepting, even agreeable, about his sister's death.

 

[Squishified]

I agree that Burke acted a bit odd, to say the least. I do not see him killing his sister though. If he were that troubled a kid, we would have seen something else "bad" out of him (ie. getting in trouble with the law) over the years.
But then again, what do I know? Burke reminds me a lot of John. Mysterious and hard to read.

 

[Ames]

His behavior leaving the house that morning was so strange too. He apparently walked out with a toy under his arm, and at age 9 would have been expected to at least ASK whether they were still going on vacation. Remember there was a Disney cruise planned, too. His behavior is what would be expected of a toddler. FW was the one who admittedly got him up, dressed and took him to his home. I've never seen FW speak about what he said to BR that morning, or what BR said to him.
By this silence (silence can say a LOT) I have to infer that BR KNEW his sister was gone, KNEW they weren't going on that vacation. Now, if he KNEW it- he was awake and interacting with his parents BEFORE that 911 call and the arrival a few moments later of LE and the R posse.
A normal kid, even a jealous one, would CRY if a sibling was kidnapped or dead, even if out of fear for their OWN safety. He seemed completely neutral, detached.
Detached is a good way to describe him. I wonder if there was evidence of this disturbing behavior before that night?
This detachment can be a defense mechanism for some kids- a way of coping with the horror or their knowledge.
But in this case, he seemed to be abnormally accepting, even agreeable, about his sister's death.

Truer words have never been spoken...

2 THOMAS HANEY: What have you told
3 Burke about the murder?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: To date?
5 THOMAS HANEY: To date.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, just that we
7 are going to try to find out who did this to
8 JonBenet. Find out, you know, I haven't told
9 him anything about how she was murdered or the
10 details like that.
11 THOMAS HANEY: Sure, not graphic,
12 but --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
14 THOMAS HANEY: -- what details
15 would he know or had you talked with him about?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: To be quite honest,
17 we really haven't talked with him much about it.
18 It's too hard, you know, it's hard to talk
19 about.
20 THOMAS HANEY: Has he volunteered
21 information?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
23 THOMAS HANEY: Has he had
24 questions?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)
0292
1 THOMAS HANEY: Never "what's going
2 to happen, who did it"?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
4 THOMAS HANEY: How about we talked
5 yesterday about him being harassed or followed
6 by some of the bigger kids. Doesn't that spark
7 something in him to say something?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, you would
9 think he would, but he doesn't. He kind of, you
10 know, keeps with his little computer games and
11 just kind of doesn't want to go there.

 

[Solace]

Truer words have never been spoken...

2 THOMAS HANEY: What have you told
3 Burke about the murder?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: To date?
5 THOMAS HANEY: To date.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, just that we
7 are going to try to find out who did this to
8 JonBenet. Find out, you know, I haven't told
9 him anything about how she was murdered or the
10 details like that.
11 THOMAS HANEY: Sure, not graphic,
12 but --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
14 THOMAS HANEY: -- what details
15 would he know or had you talked with him about?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: To be quite honest,
17 we really haven't talked with him much about it.
18 It's too hard, you know, it's hard to talk
19 about.
20 THOMAS HANEY: Has he volunteered
21 information?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
23 THOMAS HANEY: Has he had
24 questions?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)
0292
1 THOMAS HANEY: Never "what's going
2 to happen, who did it"?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
4 THOMAS HANEY: How about we talked
5 yesterday about him being harassed or followed
6 by some of the bigger kids. Doesn't that spark
7 something in him to say something?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, you would
9 think he would, but he doesn't. He kind of, you
10 know, keeps with his little computer games and
11 just kind of doesn't want to go there.

Detective Krupkee: Mrs. Ramsey, have you thought of psychological help for your son.

Mrs. Ramsey: Why no, what for?

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Don't quit your day job. I can't even think of another reply to your ridiculous post. It is absolutely ridiculous that you are even considering this note at face value. You are going to have to step up the intelligence level here or the communication is going to seriously curtail. I don't care how self-righteous that sounds. Your reasoning is beyond juvenile. Comeon put some effort into it and at least try and think about it.

LOL (but your post does seem a little excited, I mean you're even repeating yourself)

I know its ridiculous. But maybe the intruder-perp, apparently fascinated with crime movies, could be obsessed with crime itself.

Maybe thats why the ransom note was so long and handwritten. Maybe thats why the parents were home at the time (JBR not taken from the street). Perhaps the perp wanted the crime to appear super-criminal either to himself, or to others.

The perps a braggart.

 

[Ames]

Detective Krupkee: Mrs. Ramsey, have you thought of psychological help for your son.

Mrs. Ramsey: Why no, what for?

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

:laugh:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Detective Krupkee: Mrs. Ramsey, have you thought of psychological help for your son.

Mrs. Ramsey: Why no, what for?

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

Maybe the tabloids are hiring? You have a flair for fiction and they love fiction.

 

[Ames]

Maybe the tabloids are hiring? You have a flair for fiction and they love fiction.

Aren't you the 3IDI that believes that there were THREE intruders? You have a great flair for fiction too, ever thought about working for "THE GLOBE"? It would fit right in with the three headed alien baby..on the cover. I think that you should change your HAT...to 3IDI. Has a nice ring to it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Aren't you the 3IDI that believes that there were THREE intruders? You have a great flair for fiction too, ever thought about working for "THE GLOBE"? It would fit right in with the three headed alien baby..on the cover. I think that you should change your HAT...to 3IDI. Has a nice ring to it.

Maybe two went upstairs while the third waited. These are probably alot like Manson followers, brainwashed enough to do almost anything.

That RN is politically charged in the exact same way the Manson murders were. Dont you think, that 'Death to Pigs' is the ideological equivalent to 'you're not the only fat cat so dont think that killing will be difficult'?

 

[Ames]

Maybe two went upstairs while the third waited. These are probably alot like Manson followers, brainwashed enough to do almost anything.

That RN is politically charged in the exact same way the Manson murders were. Dont you think, that 'Death to Pigs' is the ideological equivalent to 'you're not the only fat cat so dont think that killing will be difficult'?

I am sorry Holdon (3IDI)....I just can't grasp one IDI...much less 3 of them. Charles Manson's...Death to Pigs...was referring to Cops. (Death to Cops..or policemen)....that's what they were called back in the 60's...cops were called Pigs. So, I really don't see that as being the ideological equivalent to "you're not the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be difficult". IMO...there is no comparison.

 

[DeeDee249]

I agree that Burke acted a bit odd, to say the least. I do not see him killing his sister though. If he were that troubled a kid, we would have seen something else "bad" out of him (ie. getting in trouble with the law) over the years.
But then again, what do I know? Burke reminds me a lot of John. Mysterious and hard to read.

I don't think BR had anything to do with his sister's death. But I do think he heard and saw and knows a LOT more than we think.

 

[JMO8778]

He got life in prison. There were additional charges including mistreatment of animals (running off little jaques), breaking and entering, handing out lead contaminated santa bears, stealing pineapple,loitering, and unlawful littering (leaving flashlight behind and old 'junk' dna).Other charges considered were tampering w. evidence-ie-putting Patsy's fibers on the garrote and tape,forgery of Patsy's handwriting,theft of writing tablet and physical threats ..ie-putting a gun to her head during the 911 call,thus prompting her to yell 'help me jesus!' ,and then pointing then gun at BR, causing him to scream 'please! what do I do??!!!'

 

[Ames]

I don't think BR had anything to do with his sister's death. But I do think he heard and saw and knows a LOT more than we think.

I agree!!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I am sorry Holdon (3IDI)....I just can't grasp one IDI...much less 3 of them. Charles Manson's...Death to Pigs...was referring to Cops. (Death to Cops..or policemen)....that's what they were called back in the 60's...cops were called Pigs. So, I really don't see that as being the ideological equivalent to "you're not the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be difficult". IMO...there is no comparison.

Cops were called pigs, true. But what you said isn't true. Spend more than one minute looking it up, and you'll find that wasn't the context they were using it in.

Charles Manson said that 'pig' meant 'the establishment', and another Manson victims wall had 'political piggy' written on it. Now does that sound like policemen to you??

 

[Squishified]

Dont you think, that 'Death to Pigs' is the ideological equivalent to 'you're not the only fat cat so dont think that killing will be difficult'?

No

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No

The victims in the Charles Manson cases were rich, affluent, and its they who were considered the pigs or piggies, not policeman as another poster incorrectly asserted.

Of course 'fat cats' and 'pigs' are related. They're both socioeconomic references that were used in the written rantings found at crime scenes of vicious killers. To say simply 'no' they aren't is to obfuscate the truth. Of course, thats what RDI has to do all the time just to exist.

 

[Squishified]

Of course, thats what RDI has to do all the time just to exist.

Well, yeah, that and breathe.