The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[ThinkHard]

http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/at...rt-accusing-burke-ramsey-of-killing-jonbenet/

re LW suit


@29:42


?: Burke Ramsey ....
What is his reaction?



LW: Well I have talked to Burke
since it aired.....
I have no problems in saying that
Burke did not watch it.
Burke is not, I'm sure for reasons
that are his own and reasons that
were John and Patsys........
He knows what this is
he didn't watch it
and He knows now what he's got to do.
Doing nothing is not an
acceptable option.
And so he is going to file this
lawsuit. BUT
I knew this was going to happen
and I talked to Burke about it before
it happened.
So nobody saw this and decided on
Monday morning or Tuesday morning.
'Oh Gosh Let's file a lawsuit',
I knew it was coming.
I was still shocked that CBS would make
this kind of a mistake....

I think CBS intentionally held back in the broadcast, not to avoid losing a law suit but in anticipation of one.....I think they have something else, something big that can counter the "you made up lies" claim

 

[FrankieB]

And there was that Dr. Seuss book.

Here we go again...there was NO book in the house titled "sexually aggressive children"
it's truly amazing how all it takes is somebody to invent something and things slowly start spreading.

The titles of the books have been provided, and they are not about sex.

The Dr. Seuss book didn't belong to Burke either.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

How do people know what they would do if they found their dead baby girl in their basement?

"I would not lay my dead child on the floor"
"I would hold my son close"


I have NO CLUE what I would do. I can't imagine that situation at all.

 

[FrankieB]

Yes, seems like quite a bit was held back

One thing I distinctively remember from the trailer was how they seemed to attempt to approach Burke and he ignored them.

I'd like to see the full segments emerge to see what they left out and also find out if they tried to cover tons of info not present in the two programs

there were many more aspects of staging besides the garrote and the Ransom note they didn't mention at all. They might not be as famous but they are also evidence, and some of it is truly bizarre. (300 new words, the dictionary, the pictures thrown down at the basement, etc)

The special was GOOD but it does NOT answer ALL questions or make all the pieces suddenly fit.

Nobody has explained what Patsy was gasping at looking at the christmas morning pictures

the evidence I mentioned above

The December 23rd party (my personal obsession)

And nope, I do not believe any of this points to an intruder. I am NOT IDI. What I do believe, is that it all points to very severe dysfunction, and not all of it is strictly Burke Ramsey. They appeared to have given Patsy and John a free pass for many things and basically unloaded all the weight upon Burke and left both parents as mere stagers. I think it's a tad more complicated than that.

 

[ThinkHard]

And another thing. If something is said or alleged about you in a publication, and you allow that to go unchallenged for a lengthy period of time, you can't then suddenly decide much later to sue the writer/publisher for defamation and expect to win. If you felt it harmed you, then you participated in allowing the harm to go on and on before you finally said something to stop it. To the best of my knowledge, nearly all the information provided via the CBS program had been previously available in published books (Kolar's among them) and medical conclusions over a number of years -- had they previously been challenged via lawsuits by any Ramsey family members?

So if someone is abusing you and you say nothing for a while and the decide you've had enough and try to speak up or reach out for help you should be denied said help because well you let it happen in the first place?

Look I don't think BR has a leg to stand on because I think CBS was intentionally very careful.

But this reasoning for why he doesn't deserve to speak up about it or try to fight it makes very little sense.

 

[TeaTime]

how did the homeless guy know what JR's bonus was ? and how did he know his phone number to call him for the money ?

I think he would have left a scent trail that even I could follow.

 

[PositiveLight]

Yes they were messy. Is it possible Burke drank both cans and the caffeine kept him up, hence going downstairs? But then drinking tea too, he would have needed to be very thirsty. I just find those cans odd.

I haven't seen the coke cans yet! Very interesting! You know the housekeeper always complained about Burke walking all through the house widdling wood with his swiss army knife and he would leave wood shavings all over the floor. She had to hide the knife from him to stop the behavior. He wouldn't mind her.
If I'm not mistaken that knife was found near her body. Which also could point to an inside job. With the knife possibly in play in the crime scene, and it had been previously hidden in a closet (any of the long term sleuths can verify this maybe with a link?) then this would also rule out an intruder.
But, since the parents let him widdle wood and make a mess, I'd venture to guess the coke cans weren't too important to them either. Didn't ever seem important to teach them proper behavior and right and wrong when those close to them discussed their behaviors. Cool avi btw!

 

[SCHMAE]

Subscribing. I taped the shows and just finished tonight. I almost did not watch because the other ' specials' of the month were so disappointing. Boy, am I glad I did !
One thing, regarding the flashlight. In the photos of the kitchen I noticed a pair of binoculars which I would think would be just about as heavy , if not more so, than the flashlight. I wonder if they were tested.
Another thing, we know whose prints were on the bowl and the tea glass but what about the spoon ?

 

[PositiveLight]

If it was my son, I would have held him tight comforting him and reassuring him of being safe. I would have also been tearfully grateful, that he was unharmed..

------------------------------------
BBM

'the intruders or kidnappers were long gone'

How so?

-Nin

Agree! I would have him attached to my lap!
Also curious how the ransom note would show the kidnappers were long gone. In fact if you read the ransom note, it is mentioned several times that they are being closely monitored. So no, if you were going by the note (Burke was moved from the house before JBR body was found), then he was NOT safe at all. So, by the parents allowing him to be out of their sight, tells me a lot about what was really going on.
The only people who would KNOW he was safe was the ones who wrote the note. JR and PR. They would be the only ones who would know that there was no one watching the house and that there was no danger to Burke.

 

[Advocate4]

So if someone is abusing you and you say nothing for a while and the decide you've had enough and try to speak up or reach out for help you should be denied said help because well you let it happen in the first place?

Look I don't think BR has a leg to stand on because I think CBS was intentionally very careful.

But this reasoning for why he doesn't deserve to speak up about it or try to fight it makes very little sense.

No, of course not with regard to abuse, physical injury and other criminal behaviors. I was specifically speaking about civil matters such as defamation.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Here we go again...there was NO book in the house titled "sexually aggressive children"
it's truly amazing how all it takes is somebody to invent something and things slowly start spreading.

The titles of the books have been provided, and they are not about sex.

The Dr. Seuss book didn't belong to Burke either.

You are correct, the book did not 'belong' to Burke, but it was found the suitcase and said to belong to JAR.

17 LOU SMIT: How about a Dr. Suess
18 book, do you remember anything in a Dr. Suess
19 book, either associated with John Andrew or
20 associated with JonBenet or anything that --
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had lots of
22 kids' books. We had bookshelves full of them.
23 I know that they had -- I know I read to 'em,
24 Dr. Suess books, so I am sure they were there.
25 LOU SMIT: Do you know why there
1 would be a sham and duvet and a Dr. Suess book
2 in that suitcase?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?198726-The-Suitcase-Duvet-Sham-amp-Dr-Suess

 

[PositiveLight]

I think CBS intentionally held back in the broadcast, not to avoid losing a law suit but in anticipation of one.....I think they have something else, something big that can counter the "you made up lies" claim

Excellent observation! That may be why they cut the show from the initial 6 hours to only 4 hours. There may be a whole lot of info still being held close to the hip. This might be why the sexual assault conversation was so abrupt in the CBS show?
I bet they WANT to be sued so that they will finally be put on the stand. This time I doubt anyone will handle them with kid gloves either. Woods needs to think long and hard about whether he truly wants to proceed with this case now. I don't think they will win. I think it will be ball busting.

Also bothers me that Burke states he's never read the ransom note, and now he's not watched any of the shows??? I mean if it was my sister, and I was a kid back then, I'd want to see the evidence as an adult and WANT the killer to be found. Unless however, Burke lived out the whole scene and knows exactly what happened. So there would be no reason to finally read the letter or watch the shows.

If I was them, I'd seriously consider just dropping a truth bomb and ending all the speculation. Then living their lives in another country. Seriously.

 

[Brendon]

The facts that lead the RDI group to believe that she was killed by a family member are too numerous to list here. Precisely who hit her on the head with an object, or what the object was, continued to be argued back and forth with all sorts of theories until we learned that JR used the flashlight to put BR to bed, BR got up after everyone was asleep, BR had HiTech boots, Dr. Spitz demonstrated that the wiped-down flashlight was a match to the wound and that a 10 year old could easily inflict that kind of damage.

The autopsy report revealed 'chronic' sexual abuse and recent abuse but was unable to ID the culprit. .

Just on that, the autopsy said nothing about prior sexual abuse.

Other medical experts offered opinions second hand after reading the report. And other medical experts disputed that opinion. Jonbenet's pediatrician, said that he had examined her in the past and found no sexual abuse evidence there. So, the only two places that she had been examined first hand have not reported 'chronic' sexual abuse. So, unless there is something else, I'll go with that.

But the autopsy report stated some sexual abuse in the time of her attack and killing.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682469/Evidence of Prior Sexual Abuse

 

[PositiveLight]

I think he would have left a scent trail that even I could follow.

I said the same dang thing! If it was a homeless person from the nearby church, his smell would STILL be in the house today. It would have been so obvious!

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I haven't even begun to dig into all the transcripts and evidence, so clearly I have a lot to catch up on. Years of investigation and speculation to sift through, so apologies if I'm bringing up old stuff.

FrankieB, can you elaborate on the 'Patsy gasping at the Christmas morning pictures' bit? Sounds interesting.

 

[PositiveLight]

I haven't even begun to dig into all the transcripts and evidence, so clearly I have a lot to catch up on. Years of investigation and speculation to sift through, so apologies if I'm bringing up old stuff.

FrankieB, can you elaborate on the 'Patsy gasping at the Christmas morning pictures' bit? Sounds interesting.

Hi and welcome!! :seeya:

 

[Sparko96]

A lawsuit that takes exception to CBS's endorsement of the Grand Jury ignored indictments? Pretty rich. The Rs were all over the TV as public figures trying to diminish the impact of an unbiased examination of salient facts--before CBS aired the show. And again, they come on TV only after a raft of preconditions are met. No lawsuit, unless there is some type of malpractice IMHO.


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[FrankieB]

You are correct, the book did not 'belong' to Burke, but it was found the suitcase and said to belong to JAR.

Yes and it is a big issue in my opinion

Dr. Seuss book plus semen stained blanket? red flag.

Andrew's room was a mess that night and it was full of items Patsy avoided discussing at all cost during interrogation. Dr. Phil mentioned the bed being disturbed to promote the IDI nonsense, but The Case special didn't even recreate the room or mention it at all for that matter.

The bed was disturbed not because somebody emerged from it, but because somebody took something from under it

then take a look at all the pictures thrown down in the basement, the fact Patsy doens't want to identify objects in Andrew's room and things start to NOT add up big time.

I do not believe Andrew killed her, but I do think he should have been investigated a lot more deeply.

 

[FrankieB]

I haven't seen the coke cans yet! Very interesting! You know the housekeeper always complained about Burke walking all through the house widdling wood with his swiss army knife and he would leave wood shavings all over the floor. She had to hide the knife from him to stop the behavior. He wouldn't mind her.
If I'm not mistaken that knife was found near her body. Which also could point to an inside job. With the knife possibly in play in the crime scene, and it had been previously hidden in a closet (any of the long term sleuths can verify this maybe with a link?) then this would also rule out an intruder.
But, since the parents let him widdle wood and make a mess, I'd venture to guess the coke cans weren't too important to them either. Didn't ever seem important to teach them proper behavior and right and wrong when those close to them discussed their behaviors. Cool avi btw!

Hi PositiveLight

thanks! love your dog picture as well

To see the Coke cans go to part 2 and the video footage of the bathroom starts at around the minute mark 53

I do recall the knife and it's very telling he mentioned it during his interview even though it was not a public fact yet. I find very peculiar the special went to great detail replicating the house, even including that Elephant painting in the train room, one would assume they wanted to show everything as it truly was. Except they didn't.

The crime scene appeared to be just the blanket that covered JB on the floor, but we know the knife was also there, the barbie night gown and mostly, although they are not discussed very frequently: the doll and the pictures

"cutesy" pictures of JB as they have been described, which Patsy claimed shouldn't have been down there. Kolar was also pretty evasive about the doll being there, but we can see it in the pictures.

Why all of this was ignored and not discussed bewilders me.

 

[Geronimo]

In a kids playroom!

Great great point! Woah. I need to look into his testimony some more, thats really fishy