The Fall Of Kabul To The Taliban #2

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Did I just sense a hint of blame, towards and regarding the citizens left behind from the POTUS speech? Because it kind of felt that way. I really didn't hear any regret . Was it just me?

Similar to the official who spoke today saying that we have Americans that get stranded in countries "all the time" - no big --- grrgrrgrrr and I can't even speak about the dogs.


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John Kirby on Americans stranded in Afghanistan: "We have Americans that get stranded in countries all the time"
 
Did I just sense a hint of blame, towards and regarding the citizens left behind from the POTUS speech? Because it kind of felt that way. I really didn't hear any regret . Was it just me?

Biden did explain that everyone who wanted to be evacuated from Afghanistan was evacuated, and that those who remain in Afghanistan made the choice. He said that they are dual passport holders who want to remain close to extended family in Afghanistan.

He also proudly explained that the USA evacuated 120,000 people. Other news sources, such as Reuters, provide less than 1/10th of that when quoting the USA government.
 

Hard to believe that leaving $83 billion worth of USA military equipment in the hands of a group known as terrorists is a success, but perhaps that spells success for Biden.

These events have been reported during the "successful" evacuation (all linked upthread):
  • a man swinging underneath an airborne Black Hawk helicopter
  • Afghanis impersonating USA troops with full uniforms, vehicles, munitions and $83 billion of equipment
  • women beaten for having professions
  • petrified news broadcasters forced to read a message while surrounded by men with machine guns
  • girls as young as 12 taken as sex slaves for the Taliban
  • Night Letters left on the doors of Afghanis who assisted the Allies (we know that Biden provided personal details of all those Afghanis to the Taliban), threatened with death by Taliban Court or death for refusing to appear in court
  • gay men lured and raped
  • a woman was set on fire because the Taliban didn't like her cooking
 
Aug 31 2021 rbbm.
The Taliban now controls Kabul airport. How will it run it?
''Here is a look at the future of Hamid Karzai International Airport.
Who will run security?
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Al Jazeera the group is now busy with securing and operating the site, indicating that they were in talks with Qatar and Turkey about the facility’s future.''

“Our fighters and special forces are capable of controlling the airport and we do not need anyone’s help for the security and administrative control of the Kabul airport,” Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi told AFP on Monday.''

''However, Michael Kugelman, a South Asia specialist at the Wilson Center think-tank in Washington, said a foreign security presence would be necessary if airlines were to return, and that a deal could yet be struck.

“You’re looking at a very volatile environment security-wise,” he told AFP.

“There are all kinds of alarm bells … for commercial airlines that I imagine would not be comfortable getting into the airport.”

Qatar’s Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani told the Financial Times newspaper his country is urging the Taliban to accept foreign help.

“What we are trying to explain to them is that airport safety and security requires a lot more than securing the perimeters,” he said.''
 
Overview of what has happened per Washington Post. What stands out for me is that the Taliban were shocked at how easy it was to invade Kabul.

"A spur-of-the-moment decision by the president to escape the country, based on apparently incorrect information supplied by his advisers, was the most consequential. Later, the United States had one last chance to challenge Taliban supremacy in Kabul but opted to focus squarely on getting its people out from the airport.

This account of Kabul’s fall — the climactic moment of America’s longest war — is based on nearly two dozen interviews with U.S. and Afghan officials, a Taliban commander and residents of the city.
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In June, U.S. intelligence agencies had assessed that the Afghan government would hang on for at least another six months. By August, the dominant view was that the Taliban wasn’t likely to pose a serious threat to Kabul until late fall.
...

In a July meeting with Ghani in Kabul, [Marine Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command, and Ambassador Ross Wilson] told the Afghan president that his team needed a “realistic, implementable and widely supported plan to defend the country” and must drop the idea of defending all 34 provincial capitals, said an official familiar with the meeting.
...

McKenzie, aware of those orders, told Baradar that the U.S. mission was only to evacuate American citizens, Afghan allies and others at risk. The United States, he told Baradar, needed the airport to do that.

On the spot, an understanding was reached, according to two other U.S. officials: The United States could have the airport until Aug. 31. But the Taliban would control the city.
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At the State Department, top brass, including Wendy Sherman, Blinken’s deputy, and Victoria Nuland, undersecretary of state for political affairs, were frantically calling foreign ministers to ask them to help with evacuation efforts and to coordinate a statement signed by 114 countries urging the Taliban to allow safe passage for evacuees. This, they realized, would be a historic evacuation effort.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...witter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

 
Aug 31 2021
''A family from Connecticut fled Kabul in the final hours before the U.S. military pulled out, and their escape started with help from an elementary school teacher. Principal Brett Gustafson said he doesn't know where the family is now, but only that they got out in the nick of time. While there are over 500 students at the Curiale School in Bridgeport, one of Gustafson's favorite students, a fourth-grade girl, traveled overseas with her mother and siblings this summer. They are not being identified because their father is a potential Taliban ''target.
 
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Goodness!
This poor woman is grieving.
Anger is a completely normal and accepted part of the grieving process.
To suspend her account and punish her at this time, when the world is watching is alarming to me.
The article says the post has not been removed, and the account since restored. Not sure what Instagram was thinking, other than it could be perceived as somewhat threatening and it spreads a false election claim.
 
Those tanks look neither American, nor modern to me, but I am definitely no expert. I do know they have a lot of Soviet gear abandoned years ago. This is in addition to US gear, because they took over the country from the Afghan Army, who had it first and left it.

I believe the one picture, in the series, may be of 40-50 year old Russian equipment that was left behind in the 1980's. JMHO
 
The article says the post has not been removed, and the account since restored. Not sure what Instagram was thinking, other than it could be perceived as somewhat threatening and it spreads a false election claim.

Instagram is notorious for deleting anything and everything that is not perceived as positive towards their group think.
I feel so very sorry for that mother, and cannot imagine the pain and suffering that she is going through. And silencing her grieving is just another betrayal. JMHO

My thoughts and prayers to the "10% of Americans"* left behind. And also, thoughts and prayers to the 13 young military victims and their families.

*“The bottom line: 90% of Americans in Afghanistan who wanted to leave were able to leave." Joe Biden
AP FACT CHECK: Biden skirts broken promise on Afghan exit
 
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Instagram is notorious for deleting anything and everything that is not perceived as positive towards their group think.
I feel so very sorry for that mother, and cannot imagine the pain and suffering that she is going through. And silencing her grieving is just another betrayal. JMHO
Since the post stayed up, but the account was deleted, it's possible she had posted worse things than this. There are limits to what anyone, including grieving people, get to post on social media. That doesn't negate her very real pain.
 
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) has been trying to travel to *Taliban-controlled Afghanistan* in a rogue evacuation mission despite efforts by the Pentagon & State Dept to discourage him.

Officials are unsure of his current whereabouts.

He phoned the US ambassador to Tajikistan from Tbilisi saying he needed the diplomat’s help bringing a huge amount of cash into Tajikistan en route to Afghanistan, per officials. The embassy said no; Mullin was outraged, they said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f63bb0-0a90-11ec-a256-709238a1404d_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f63bb0-0a90-11ec-a256-709238a1404d_story.html
 
Since the post stayed up, but the account was deleted, it's possible she had posted worse things than this. There are limits to what anyone, including grieving people, get to post on social media. That doesn't negate her very real pain.

I'm not sure what she has posted. Her loss is probably all consuming at this point, I agree. Poor lady, (IMHO) probably just wanted some kind of cathartic release.
You are right, Instagram and all the other SM giants are private corps and do not have to abide by the First Amendment protecting freedom of speech.
 
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