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Hey, now that I'm back from my time out chair....Ms. Mockingbird, would you kindly please explain why you have claimed that the 15 minute run that JB and Shannan took was to Fluke's house? I'm not sure why you have ignored my many requests for an explanation but please I would like to hear it now, as I'm sure we all would! Dee has taken to repeating this as fact, so before it spreads further and another lie/myth becomes tied up in this case, let's find out where it comes from and whether or not it's true, yes? Was fluke even in OB the night of the murder?
 
I've read somewhere that he was out of the country that night. That person might be mistaken of course!
Brenden (truthspider) was out of the country when the bodies were found. Now fluke. Im assuming he and Brewer did depositions for Mari's case against Hackett. Ill guess one of them admitted that SG and Brewer went to flukes house. Why?
 
Brenden (truthspider) was out of the country when the bodies were found. Now fluke. Im assuming he and Brewer did depositions for Mari's case against Hackett. Ill guess one of them admitted that SG and Brewer went to flukes house. Why?

I could easily be misremembering something I read, or for that matter the source could have been wrong.
 
Suppose Fluke did a deposition. What would have occured first? Deposition or interview with Robert K?
 
Brenden (truthspider) was out of the country when the bodies were found. Now fluke. Im assuming he and Brewer did depositions for Mari's case against Hackett. Ill guess one of them admitted that SG and Brewer went to flukes house. Why?

why would you guess that Fluke or Brewer said they went to Fluke's house that night? Is there anything at all to suggest this other than a vague claim by a poster who refuses to elaborate on that claim? don't you think if either of them admitted shannan was at fluke's house John Ray's entire perspective of the case would have drastically shifted?
 
why would you guess that Fluke or Brewer said they went to Fluke's house that night? Is there anything at all to suggest this other than a vague claim by a poster who refuses to elaborate on that claim? don't you think if either of them admitted shannan was at fluke's house John Ray's entire perspective of the case would have drastically shifted?
Alot of my opinions are based on the things I dont know. I dont know what JR perspective of the case is. That can changed with the behaviors of the witnesses.
 
Ok well you've repeated that Shannan and JB went to fluke's house a couple times now and i assume this something you don't know right
 
Are any of the depositions in the case against CPH available to the public?? Is any info related to the case against CPH available online... or anywhere??
 
Are any of the depositions in the case against CPH available to the public?? Is any info related to the case against CPH available online... or anywhere??
Good question. Is there still a case against Hackett?
 
Good point! But if he was high it makes it also less likely he conceived a credible cover up on the spot. If you are referring to Brewer the problem is compounded once SG leaves his house. He's really lost control of the narrative at that point.

Naahhhh, I didn't have Brewer (nor anyone else) in mind.

But, here's the thing. While Geberth hasn't worked on SG's case, his opinion is possibly the only one I trust. Not only because of his expertise, it's also because he doesn't have a job, nor an office, nor a position, nor a department to "protect" when looking at this case.

It's true, SG had a driver... a waiting driver. And, yes... this is significant.

But, more significant is... everything about SG's case is problematic.

Her 911 call was transferred (once/twice/more?) because she could not tell them her location - LE could not respond to her.

LE did respond to Coletti's 911 call that morning; they said they looked around and found nothing.

Joe Brewer says her jacket sat in his driveway for days, so if this is true then LE didn't go to his house that morning.

Coletti last saw SG when she ran from the under the boat and Pak was following her (in his vehicle). Where was Pak when the officer arrived that morning?

Did the officer ask to see the Oak Beach security footage?

The Gilberts say they badgered the police for seven months before investigators started searching in earnest for the missing 23-year-old.
It was a random sweep of a nearby beach in December that turned up the grisly grave site - four young women like Shannan who simply disappeared.

So, when did they obtain statements from Brewer, Pak, Diaz or anyone else? When did they search Brewer (or anyone else's home in Oak Beach)?

Brewer & SG left Brewers' home that evening (a 15 minute trip, IIRC). Do we know where they went, who they saw, what they did? Did LE interview anyone else who might have seen Brewer and SG that evening... and if so, when??

How long had SG been missing by the time LE administered polygraphs?

Who was the drifter staying with Brewer? When did LE speak with him?

No matter which LE division finally ended up with SG's 911 call, from all reports (except one) she was hysterical, saying "they are trying to kill me". Did any of these agencies attempt to call her back?

The "except one" I mentioned above: Suspiciously, a SC detective lied about SG's 911 call. (That's a puzzling event, to say the least!)

It took LE several months before they obtained statements from (or searched the property of) those involved in SG's case. Yet Dormer quickly/easily explained her disappearance as an accidental drowning months before her body was even located.

Finally, my broken-record fav... LE stating SG's death was not related to the other remains but refusing to release SG's 911 call on the basis that it jeopardizes/interferes with the investigation into those very cases.


You see, I think it's unfair to declare a theory without taking these numerous flaws, mistakes and problems into consideration.

And, I have to wonder if saying that SG's death was accidental is just a convenient explanation only because there aren't enough facts to form a (legitimate) theory as to who, why, and how she might have been murdered??

(It's just so simple to say... of course, she was on drugs, mentally ill and obviously drown... cause I think this is all you have to focus on. IMO it's too simple and you've left so many things unnoticed)

Since we have so very few reliable facts AND SG's case is too fraught with problems and mistakes, IMO a sellable theory doesn't actually exist.
 
But, here's the thing. While Geberth hasn't worked on SG's case, his opinion is possibly the only one I trust. Not only because of his expertise, it's also because he doesn't have a job, nor an office, nor a position, nor a department to "protect" when looking at this case.

But he does have textbooks to sell.

I am not suggesting that we ignore his opinion. It's just that it is rare to find an expert commenting publicly on a live case without some benefit to them from the publicity. And the more controversial the opinion the better.
 
But he does have textbooks to sell.

I am not suggesting that we ignore his opinion. It's just that it is rare to find an expert commenting publicly on a live case without some benefit to them from the publicity. And the more controversial the opinion the better.

It's true... he could have been seeking a bit of publicity. But, I still trust him :)

It's just plainly easier to trust him (imo) compared with others who apparently have had "protection" as the highest priority.
 
It's true... he could have been seeking a bit of publicity. But, I still trust him :)

It's just plainly easier to trust him (imo) compared with others who apparently have had "protection" as the highest priority.
I feel the same way about Vernon Geberth. My recent posts is a result of not believing a word that comes out of the mouths of OB residents. Theres more to this than meets the eye.
 
My conservative guess on Mr.Geberth's experience is he was 'hands - on ' in at least a 1000+ homicides. He has also went into the field of Academia to study the subject.. In the subject of murder he is like EF Hutton, i.e., at least you stop and listen to what he has to say. Geberth is not a Bo Dietl or a Joe Coffey who need publicity to advertise whatever they advertise.

He is smart enough not to write it in stone - he only offers an opinion based on a long track record. People used to say what an exciting job I had - investigating murders. Truth is it can get pretty boring because if you've seen one ....Ok, maybe a few more than one.
 
I feel the same way about Vernon Geberth.

I assure you I am not saying to ignore Geberth. In fact, I have his 5th Edition of Practical Homicide Investigation literally on my desk. (A worthwhile investment!)

But a comment from him that he's looked at SG and LISK and doesn't see anything that the police may have missed etc etc gets no attention. And it is about publicity. Same thing with Baden although there I presume he was getting some compensation in addition to a ton of publicity.

Doesn't mean he is not right. Just that the only expert opinions you are going to see are derived from a desire to sell something, even if all they are selling is a new edition of an old textbook.
 
I feel the same way about Vernon Geberth. My recent posts is a result of not believing a word that comes out of the mouths of OB residents. Theres more to this than meets the eye.

From Geberth:

[FONT=&quot]"Everybody knows somebody in Long Island, and I'm telling you for the record that the person who did it was highly stressed and people close to him would've seen a sudden change in his demeanor, he wouldnt've gone to work, he would have started drinking, he would have acted strange and he would have left the area," said Geberth.

That's just not true for many SKs. Simply inaccurate on so many fronts.[/FONT]
 
From Geberth:

[FONT="]"Everybody knows somebody in Long Island, and I'm telling you for the record that the person who did it was highly stressed and people close to him would've seen a sudden change in his demeanor, he wouldnt've gone to work, he would have started drinking, he would have acted strange and he would have left the area," said Geberth.

That's just not true for many SKs. Simply inaccurate on so many fronts.[/FONT]

I have no doubt you are correct.

I feel you respect at least some of his work, writings, etc... but not most of his opinions (stated thus far) in SG's case... and I find that understandable :)
 
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