I followed these forums for 3 years now without making a single post until today.
Well, I would say you've definitely hit the ground running.
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I followed these forums for 3 years now without making a single post until today.
I try to not get too far off in the weeds and it's helpful to not overthink and overcomplicate an otherwise straightforward set of serial killings. Forget about the differences in what was done after he murdered them for a moment. Pretend we don't know how they were found just that we have at least 5 sex workers, either full or partial sets and the potential of another 4 all found on the parkway at around the same time with postmortem intervals spanning 14 years.
We know how most must have been treated while in his presence and the outcome was exactly the same. Now, put yourself in the pu jkillers head back in 2000 when he left a murder victim, Jane doe #6, butchered in bags in manorville with her identifying parts brought to the Gilgo area 30 something miles away. Three years later JT turns up in similar fashion in manorville, again with her identifying parts brought to Gilgo and placed about a mile to the west from the parts that were placed three years earlier. We don't know who the Jane doe was but we know JT and that she was likely picked up in midtown. So skip ahead four years and Maureen is last seen in the midtown area and is later found 40 miles away again at Gilgo and again about a mile to the west of JT's partial set. Similar timing and similar spacing. Same last known location, same location found. Same victimology same victim description, young and white. All six killed by a serial killer and In my opinion he was one and the same.
With all the places to dump a body from midtown and beyond, Maureen was brought to a place where he knew from personal experience she could be dumped without being seen and a place where she would go undiscovered. No need to cut them up to hinder identification if they're not being found. I think it's those possibly 3-4 dormant years between Jessica and Maureen that will one day make sense of the differences in what was done after death. btw Asian male was thought to have a postmortem of at least 5 years so around 2006 give or take is when he was killed.
All my humble opinion.
I try to not get too far off in the weeds and it's helpful to not overthink and overcomplicate an otherwise straightforward set of serial killings. Forget about the differences in what was done after he murdered them for a moment. Pretend we don't know how they were found just that we have at least 5 sex workers, either full or partial sets and the potential of another 4 all found on the parkway at around the same time with postmortem intervals spanning 14 years.
We know how most must have been treated while in his presence and the outcome was exactly the same. Now, put yourself in the killers head back in 2000 when he left a murder victim, Jane doe #6, butchered in bags in manorville with her identifying parts brought to the Gilgo area 30 something miles away. Three years later JT turns up in similar fashion in manorville, again with her identifying parts brought to Gilgo and placed about a mile to the west from the parts that were placed three years earlier. We don't know who the Jane doe was but we know JT and that she was likely picked up in midtown. So skip ahead four years and Maureen is last seen in the midtown area and is later found 40 miles away again at Gilgo and again about a mile to the west of JT's partial set. Similar timing and similar spacing. Same last known location, same location found. Same victimology same victim description, young and white. All six killed by a serial killer and In my opinion he was one and the same.
With all the places to dump a body from midtown and beyond, Maureen was brought to a place where he knew from personal experience she could be dumped without being seen and a place where she would go undiscovered. No need to cut them up to hinder identification if they're not being found. I think it's those possibly 3-4 dormant years between Jessica and Maureen that will one day make sense of the differences in what was done after death. btw Asian male was thought to have a postmortem of at least 5 years so around 2006 give or take is when he was killed.
All my humble opinion.
The Gilgo Beach 4 came to Unsub, whereas the killer of the unidentified, peaches & Jessica Taylor went to them.
If John Bittrolf is Unsub, and I don’t believe he is, Law Enforcment most likely will try to match his voice to that of Unsub on the calls to Amanda Barthelemy.
Thanks for mentioning this, yes craigslist allowed him to pick and choose probably with MBB and MB and almost certainly with AC and MW without having to hit the street. The earlier victims would have required him to do the legwork and show his face and ride. The ones where he would've had to do legwork possibly exposing himself and vehicle to onlookers and cameras are the ones he dismembered and hid identifying parts. Dismemberment vs not.
Do you think they have a recording?
Affordable beachfront, highrise building with a view can be found many miles west of Oak Beach.These bodies were dumped due to the convenience of the parties they were in attendance of. The location of these beach front graves holds real significance to the man who started placing these bodies and who may have inspired a copycat with loose ties to the white privieged neighborhood he could not be a part of due to his social and economic status.
They dont need Amanda.I know that were able to trace the calls, but not sure if they have recordings. They could however play samples of John Bittrolffs voice to Amanda Barthelemy.
They dont need Amanda.
They dont need Amanda.
LE met Bittrolff.
They heard his voice.
I know that were able to trace the calls, but not sure if they have recordings. They could however play samples of John Bittrolffs voice to Amanda Barthelemy.
Recording or not it's always been a question pondered. Even after its insinuated they didn't. Looking back at it now it would be very unfortunate if either they didn't instruct the family to record it or the family didn't think to do it. I think it was a couple weeks of calls from her phone with apparently no sign of life so to speak. Maybe not enough to trigger them into thinking something was terribly wrong, especially in the beginning. nypd took it serious enough at some point to start tracing. They would have known about Jessica and Maureen and that at least one of them had been a victim of a sk 5-6 years prior. Who was the drunk sounding white guy making the calls?
Because Bittrolff is in custody.Why?
Melissa lived in the Bronx.The phone was not being answered in NYC though and it takes a judge, time and PC for a wiretap. It'd also require a little imagination and forethought by NYPD.