SoCalSleuth
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There's absolutely nothing there except for orange groves and desert.
Just for the record, I don't know if they still do it, but once when I was going through that checkpoint, the Border Patrol waved me aside, chatted with me, and asked if they could look in my trunk. I assume it was a random check, since, as a Caucasian female with older family members in the car, I'm sure I didn't fit any profile.But that scrutiny is obviously not anything a criminal wants to face.
KGTV (10) news at 11:
Impromptu memorial set up at Escondido High
Stress remains found in rugged and remote area.
Were following "a lead" that got them there early Saturday morning.
Positive ID made Saturday afternoon.
Saturday evening they told Amber's parents (interesting, wonder what caused the 18 hour or so delay until the press conference today)
Authorities won't comment on any connection to JAG.
Family PI is the one that believes there is no tie and that someone stepped forward after Chelsea. Someone else that's a PI thinks Amber was kidnapped by someone she knew, not JAG.
Blue ribbons around the Dubois front gate.
Vigil will happen at EHS at 6:30 tomorrow (by the way, throngs of Chelsea sites are all saying where blue and white in Amber's memory tomorrow - they've said "show her family and friends the support that we've received)
Memorials growing all round Escondido where the are still big missing signs for Amber.
The area that's blocked off by police tape sits on a winding road just five miles north of the Pala Casino. Sheriff's deputies at the scene described the area as a remote and desolate part in the outskirts of San Diego County.
The community has been following the missing Escondido teen's case from the day she disappeared February 13th, 2009. Some people even made their way to the crime scene.
"We want to show the area where Amber's remains were found," Stacey Humphrey said as she stood near the scene where authorities discovered the skeletal remains of Amber. "Sheriff's deputies have put up this yellow tape and it's down this private road in a rural and desolate area where Amber's skeletal remains were found."
Dogs led them to the library ON the reservation.
Authorities said that she was NOT found on the reservation but north of it.
Tomorrow there will be a presser with more details on where she was found.
I typed this late last night/early this morning and thought I posted it ( I was soooo tired) but by the time I went to post it, the discussion was divided so I hope I am putting this in the most logical place/topic.
For lack of a better word, finding Amber is so bittersweet for me.......a roller coaster of emotions.
She has been found. No more wondering.
She's been found, but not alive, and my heart and soul aches for her Mom, Dad and all who loved her.
SoCalSleuth:
"As an aside, this place is so vast and remote there is no way they could have found her outside of someone telling them exactly where she was."
Traveling Bug:
"That needs to be underscored for people who don't know this area! "
SoCalSleuth and Traveling Bug,
My husband was stationed at NAS Miramar for eleven years, back in the day.
Poway, RB, Escondido, Tierrasanta were my stomping grounds and where my children spent the formative years of their lives. My girls born at Sharps. A bit further from there....I worked at Grossmont Hospital for years.
I have nothing but wonderful memories of those years in San Diego and besides the fact that another human being was missing without a trace, those fond memories and my love for the area are two more reasons I was so drawn to Amber's case....as if I had a personal connection to her.
I now travel this area twice, and sometimes three times a month.
(Two family members work at two separate casinos. We go have lunch with them or wait for them to get off work and all of us go do something 'fun'. Or we take my parents to visit old friends of theirs)
I must Reiterate everything you've both said in all your posts about the area.
If you are new to those mountains, you better have a good map or major landmarks or you'll be driving in circles as every new curve of the mountain looks the same as the last.
Landmarks: Avocado groves, Orange Groves, Casinos, Rez's Firehouse/school/cemetary/etc.
A span as short of nine miles, on those very winding roads, feels like 35 miles.
And no way would anyone who isn't familiar with the area, venture out to 'hide' something after dark.
With headlights off, unless you are near a casino or a group of houses (which are usually set back from the road) the area is pitch black....can barely see 5 feet in front of you.
My husband knows the road/roads like the he knows the back of his hand from Pechanga, to Pala, to Pauma, to the fork in the road to Harrah's and on to Valley View but he told me earlier he would never go off the beaten path or venture out alone on one of the side dirt roads....having no idea where they lead.
And he also said once you lose track of a 'landmark', you're toast unless you know the area well like those who live on the Rez's.
Even though dogs alerted but nothing was found, and even though it's been 'reported' that JAG isn't the one who gave the tip, I truly believe this 'tip' came from someone who had to know EXACTLY where she was and gave directions to her body via 'landmarks'.
bbm where did you hear the part I bolded passion? tia I hadn't heard thisChelsea was in shallow grave by water
was
Amber just dumped or was she buried alittle also?
Could JAG of had help with Amber?
It was stated it would take a very strong person to hike her there.
Also the tipster said he was afraid of JAG and just told LE where to find
Amber!!!
Amity, SoCalSleuth and all:
Do you remember these abductions and murders from the late 1970's in the San Diego area?
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/bittaker_norris/4.html
Reason I ask, is because after we were posting yesterday about several recent attempted abductions in the area, I noticed that a white van with sliding doors was used in many. So I started googling some terms.
I went back to post this and learned that Amber's body was found in just such a rugged and remote location (though not the same area: a remote fire road in the San Gabriel Mountains, overlooking Glendora. They threw the girls bodies off of a cliff). I wonder if the killer copied Bittaker and Norris. And I also wonder if the white van with sliding doors in the recent attempted abductions was the vehicle involved with Amber's disappearance.
I typed this late last night/early this morning and thought I posted it ( I was soooo tired) but by the time I went to post it, the discussion was divided so I hope I am putting this in the most logical place/topic.
For lack of a better word, finding Amber is so bittersweet for me.......a roller coaster of emotions.
She has been found. No more wondering.
She's been found, but not alive, and my heart and soul aches for her Mom, Dad and all who loved her.
SoCalSleuth:
"As an aside, this place is so vast and remote there is no way they could have found her outside of someone telling them exactly where she was."
Traveling Bug:
"That needs to be underscored for people who don't know this area! "
SoCalSleuth and Traveling Bug,
My husband was stationed at NAS Miramar for eleven years, back in the day.
Poway, RB, Escondido, Tierrasanta were my stomping grounds and where my children spent the formative years of their lives. My girls born at Sharps. A bit further from there....I worked at Grossmont Hospital for years.
I have nothing but wonderful memories of those years in San Diego and besides the fact that another human being was missing without a trace, those fond memories and my love for the area are two more reasons I was so drawn to Amber's case....as if I had a personal connection to her.
I now travel this area twice, and sometimes three times a month.
(Two family members work at two separate casinos. We go have lunch with them or wait for them to get off work and all of us go do something 'fun'. Or we take my parents to visit old friends of theirs)
I must Reiterate everything you've both said in all your posts about the area.
If you are new to those mountains, you better have a good map or major landmarks or you'll be driving in circles as every new curve of the mountain looks the same as the last.
Landmarks: Avocado groves, Orange Groves, Casinos, Rez's Firehouse/school/cemetary/etc.
A span as short of nine miles, on those very winding roads, feels like 35 miles.
And no way would anyone who isn't familiar with the area, venture out to 'hide' something after dark.
With headlights off, unless you are near a casino or a group of houses (which are usually set back from the road) the area is pitch black....can barely see 5 feet in front of you.
My husband knows the road/roads like the he knows the back of his hand from Pechanga, to Pala, to Pauma, to the fork in the road to Harrah's and on to Valley View but he told me earlier he would never go off the beaten path or venture out alone on one of the side dirt roads....having no idea where they lead.
And he also said once you lose track of a 'landmark', you're toast unless you know the area well like those who live on the Rez's.
Even though dogs alerted but nothing was found, and even though it's been 'reported' that JAG isn't the one who gave the tip, I truly believe this 'tip' came from someone who had to know EXACTLY where she was and gave directions to her body via 'landmarks'.
I did NOT know that until you put that in the other thread.
So her folks were right on TWO fronts - they had been following JAG AND they got as far as Pala...where she was ultimately found.
Unreal they were SO close with both things.