The Sidebar - Harris Trial #2

[Hope4More]

Absolutely, 14 and 15 year olds are children. I teach them, I was once one of them (a mere 15 years ago), and any adult who solicits sexually explicit conversations, pictures, and/or contact with them is a sexual predator. An adolescent does not have to be raped by an adult to be traumatized by sexual victimization by an adult, the mere fact he sent them pictures of himself and received pictures from them is enough to qualify him as a predator.

The law sees it that way too. That is why when he is convicted, he will become a felon and registered sex offender, as he should be.

SEXUAL PREDATOR-(Wikipedia)

“The term "sexual predator" is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations that are deemed exploitative.

However, in some states in the U.S., the term "sexual predator" is applied to anyone who has been convicted of certain crimes, regardless of whether or not there is a history of similar behavior.

In the state of Illinois, for instance, a person convicted of any sex crime against a minor is designated a sexual predator, no matter the nature of the crime (violent versus statutory, or perpetrated against a young child versus a teenager), and regardless of past behavior.

This has led to criticism that the term is being misused, or overused, and thus has lost its original meaning and effectiveness.” (I AGREE).

 

[monkeypants]

SEXUAL PREDATOR-(Wikipedia)

“The term "sexual predator" is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations that are deemed exploitative.

However, in some states in the U.S., the term "sexual predator" is applied to anyone who has been convicted of certain crimes, regardless of whether or not there is a history of similar behavior.

In the state of Illinois, for instance, a person convicted of any sex crime against a minor is designated a sexual predator, no matter the nature of the crime (violent versus statutory, or perpetrated against a young child versus a teenager), and regardless of past behavior.

This has led to criticism that the term is being misused, or overused, and thus has lost its original meaning and effectiveness.” (I AGREE).

Wikipedia is not a dictionary or a source that anything other than a place random people can essentially posts facts. I wouldn't rely on it for anything IMO

Because Wikipedia can not be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources.
Reliability of Wikipedia - Wikipedia
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[RANCH]

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[SUP][1][/SUP] A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years of age, but adolescents must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia

http://research.omicsgroup.org/index.php/Pedophilia

 

[TexMex]

Extracted from RH’s phone, no attempt had been made to delete any of this activity:

Listed under “Chats “

KIK application: 10,191 messages

Whisper application: 46,749 messages

Sex addicts (Ross defined himself as one) aren't going to delete these activities. They are going to collect them however and perhaps hide them under ummm...maybe a Weather app

 

[NCTeacher]

Online sexual predator information sheet

http://familysafecomputers.org/predators.htm

 

[Paige SC]

I agree he's a pedophile/predator by definition of the law. Totally undisputed. I just don't think he fits the profile of what we classify as one. I don't think he was attracted to little girls because of their age, rather he was a greedy opportunist who was attracted to ANYONE who'd give him the time of day. Age was secondary, not a primary motivating factor. And while there are different levels of pedo, the term is usually reserved for people like Jerry Sandusky, at least in my mind anyway.

I also don't consider a 15/16/17 year old girl who willingly engages in sexting with a grown man to be the same level of victim as a 9 year old boy who gets invited to the home of a nice family for weekend and winds up being raped by Coach Jerry.

I have a 15 year old son and a 17 year old daughter, I'm not partial when it comes to protecting my kids, but if I found out my daughter was willingly sending nudes to a grown man (or anyone for that matter!) she wouldn't be free from personal accountability simply because she's underage.

Either way, RH is unfit for society and I hope he gets locked away for life.

 

[minor4th]

I think Ross' sexual conduct was definitely predatory and exploitative. However, I don't think the term "pedophile" fits very well, at least not my understanding of the term.

 

[Hope4More]

Nope, that's not the definition. That's your definition.

pedophile (US) noun. or British paedophile /ˈpɛdəˌfajəl/ Brit /ˈpiːdəˌfajəl/ ... plural pedophiles. Learner's definition of PEDOPHILE. : a person who has a sexual interest in children.
Pedophile - Definition for English-Language Learners from ...
www.learnersdictionary.com › definition

pedophileplay
noun pe·do·phile \ˈpe-də-ˌfī(-&#601l, ˈpē-\
Popularity: Top 20% of words
Simple Definition of pedophile
: a person who has a sexual interest in children
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

No, it isn’t my definition. Guess you didn’t follow the Jodi Arias trial, in which the dead victim was accused of being a pedophile?
I followed the trial, and familiarized with the term, what it means, and the behaviors that are inconsistent with pedophilia.

A pedophile is ONLY interested in children under the age of 13, just for starters. A pedophile doesn’t want to have sex with grown women, or men, much less obsessively engage in sexual conversations with women online.


The definition of pedophile may be found in: Diagnostic and Statically Manual of Mental Disorders, 2013.

Or, if you prefer, WHO’s: The ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioral Disorders Diagnostic Criteria

 

[Paige SC]

SEXUAL PREDATOR-(Wikipedia)

“The term "sexual predator" is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations that are deemed exploitative.

However, in some states in the U.S., the term "sexual predator" is applied to anyone who has been convicted of certain crimes, regardless of whether or not there is a history of similar behavior.

In the state of Illinois, for instance, a person convicted of any sex crime against a minor is designated a sexual predator, no matter the nature of the crime (violent versus statutory, or perpetrated against a young child versus a teenager), and regardless of past behavior.

This has led to criticism that the term is being misused, or overused, and thus has lost its original meaning and effectiveness.” (I AGREE)

THIS ^
Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you on something!

 

[monkeypants]

No, it isn’t my definition. Guess you didn’t follow the Jodi Arias trial, in which the dead victim was accused of being a pedophile?
I followed the trial, and familiarized with the term, what it means, and the behaviors that are inconsistent with pedophilia.

A pedophile is ONLY interested in children under the age of 13, just for starters. A pedophile doesn’t want to have sex with grown women, or men, much less obsessively engage in sexual conversations with women online.


The definition of pedophile may be found in: Diagnostic and Statically Manual of Mental Disorders, 2013.

Or, if you prefer, WHO’s: The ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioral Disorders Diagnostic Criteria

Categorizing Pedophiles

Pedophiles can be classified in several ways. Pedophilia can be characterized as either exclusive or non-exclusive. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children. They show no interest in sexual partners who are not prepubescent children. This desire prolongs even when they are not in the presence of children. Non-exclusive pedophiles are attracted to both adults and children. A large percentage of male pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children, meaning they are attracted to male children or both male and female children (Schiffer, 2008).

 

[Jinkasaurus]

This document has a LOT of great information about this topic- very in-depth- over 200 pages long. If you go to page 19 (printed on bottom of pages), it has a section that sorts out all this confusion about the term pedophile that we are having here.

Child Molesters - A Behavioral Analysis - published by the Center for Missing and Exploited Children

 

[momoftwocrazies]

Hope, you're mistaken here. There are several types.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Where are you coming up with 13 or younger? Not finding that anywhere, same with the primary or exclusive part. What would you call it?

The problem is that exploitations of prepubescent children has been covered for decades..But I agree..Society dictates what age children become considered adults!

Some States have serious ages that may range between 16 and 18..But the point in this case is that a grown man exploited minors! Why he did is very clear..He cared more about his own gratification, yet had NO ability to recognize just how sinful ( he is suppose to be religious :facepalm: ) it was. Maybe he did know it all legally, but his self-absorbed needs trumped even his moral ground!! To me he is a incapable of controlling his urges> regardless of his upbringing and religious teachings!

In the old days, they use to castrate males like that then were forced to become a Eunuch~ definition>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

A eunuch (/ˈjuːnək/; Greek: εὐνοῦχο&#962[1] is a man who has been castrated, typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences. In some ancient texts, "eunuch" may refer to a man who is not castrated but who is impotent, celibate, or otherwise not inclined to marry and procreate. In Latin, the words eunuchus,[2] spado (Greek: σπάδων spadon),[3][4] and castratus were used to denote eunuchs.[5]

In modern society people like Ross get put in jail, labelled as a felon and sexual predator who has to register as such for the rest of his life! Once out of jail..his predilection will not be relieved by surgery, however..will have his name on some list that could be brought out anytime he violates his rest of life constraints!!

^^ BBM Not the kind of representative Ross was assuming he would become, eh?

 

[NCTeacher]

THIS ^
Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you on something!

It really doesn't matter what one wants the definition to be --- and archaic understandings of the word which have since moved forward and progressively within the context of our times is irrelevant. The law is the law, it is considered a forceful act for an adult to engage in pornographic and/or sexual contact with a 14 year old because said minor cannot consent under the law. Ross Harris is a sexual predator, and will be noted accordingly upon his conviction of the sex crimes...sometime...this week

 

[momoftwocrazies]

While there may be a commonly used in speech definition, like Sandusky, the truth remains that under the law he is a sexual predator or pedaphile. I don't know of a difference between those. Medical or psychiatric definitions mean nothing here.
But really it doesn't matter what we call it. He has absolutely no morals when he's sexting pics and "instructional material" to young girls. Can you even imagine finding a dick pic of a 35 year old man on your 7th graders phone? It's not ok. It's sick. It's wrong.

 

[NCTeacher]

A legal definition of "sexual predator" from the state of Florida

According to Florida statutes, a sexual offender is a person convicted of (or who has pled no contest or guilty to) a sex offense involving a minor and who is released on or after October 1, 1997 from the sanction (e.g., fine, incarceration, probation, etc.) imposed as a result of the offense. Offenses include, but aren’t limited to, child *advertiser censored*, sexual performance by a child under 18 and procuring a person under 18 for purposes of prostitution. Consult the Florida statutes for a complete listing of offenses.

A predator designation requires that a person be convicted of a first-degree felony sex crime, or two second-degree felony sex crimes (with offenses, convictions or release from court sanctions occurring within 10 years) and which occurred after October 1, 1993. In addition, the court must issue a written order finding for predator status.

Florida law requires sexual offenders and sexual predators to register their address with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement or the local sheriff’s office. Details on registration requirements are available at FDLE’s web site; a searchable database of predators and offenders residing in Florida is also available at the FDLE site.

 

[Hope4More]

I think Ross' sexual conduct was definitely predatory and exploitative. However, I don't think the term "pedophile" fits very well, at least not my understanding of the term.

I agree with exploitative. I don't agree with predatory. The man was online looking for sexting partners and more from at least 2010 until the day Cooper died..

Did you see my post above, about the number of WHISPER and KIK messages retrieved? LE went through them. What they found was sexual contact with a single underaged girl under the age of 16, correct? And two minors who were 16 the time?

16 year old girls who the law in GA allows adult men to have sex with, but not to exchange photos of a sexual nature.

Of course RH exploited the 14 year old, and IMo, the 16 year olds as well. But "predator" isn't a term I think that applies to him. I know hell must have frozen over, because I actually agree with Paige that RH was an opportunistic exploiter, if you will.

He answered memes and the like others posted, in general usage chat forums, and there's no indication he ever sought out minors, actually.

 

[monkeypants]

I agree with exploitative. I don't agree with predatory. The man was online looking for sexting partners and more from at least 2010 until the day Cooper died..

Did you see my post above, about the number of WHISPER and KIK messages retrieved? LE went through them. What they found was sexual contact with a single underaged girl under the age of 16, correct? And two minors who were 16 the time?

16 year old girls who the law in GA allows adult men to have sex with, but not to exchange photos of a sexual nature.

Of course RH exploited the 14 year old, and IMo, the 16 year olds as well. But "predator" isn't a term I think that applies to him. I know hell must have frozen over, because I actually agree with Paige that RH was an opportunistic exploiter, if you will.

He answered memes and the like others posted, in general usage chat forums, and there's no indication he ever sought out minors, actually.

However you want to phrase it he is an adult that is sexually attracted to children. A 14 year old is a child.

 

[Hope4More]

THIS ^
Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you on something!

Just was struck by that same lightning-- see post above

 

[monkeypants]

I agree with exploitative. I don't agree with predatory. The man was online looking for sexting partners and more from at least 2010 until the day Cooper died..

Did you see my post above, about the number of WHISPER and KIK messages retrieved? LE went through them. What they found was sexual contact with a single underaged girl under the age of 16, correct? And two minors who were 16 the time?

16 year old girls who the law in GA allows adult men to have sex with, but not to exchange photos of a sexual nature.

Of course RH exploited the 14 year old, and IMo, the 16 year olds as well. But "predator" isn't a term I think that applies to him. I know hell must have frozen over, because I actually agree with Paige that RH was an opportunistic exploiter, if you will.

He answered memes and the like others posted, in general usage chat forums, and there's no indication he ever sought out minors, actually.

He also did not delete and run from them once he found out they were minors. Instead he googled what the penalty would be if he got caught. But I guess you wouldn't define that as predatory....I do.