The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #4

[MaryLiz]

There is a new program on ID called "Disappeared" that features unsolved missing persons cases. Each episode focuses only on one case in-depth. It premiered last night. I checked out the website for the show and couldn't find contact information. I had intended to email them about this case. Maybe someone here could check and have better luck?

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/disappeared/

I saw the Paige Birgfeld episode last night and thought the exact same thing..that they should do an episode on the 3MW. I went to the website and way at the bottom it says Customer Service and next to that is a link to click on that says "Viewer Relations." I clicked on that and it took me to a list of questions. Way at the bottom is question #33..How to contact them for programming comments or questions. There's a link given below the question that says "click here" to e-mail them. There is also a snail mail address.

Thanks for providing the link, Indianagirl. I'm going to e-mail them too. The more people that e-mail them, the more chance we'll have of getting them to do an episode on the 3MW.

 

[gaia227]

I am so envious of everyone who has Investigative Discovery! I have digital cable through Time Warner Cable and I have tons of channels but not that one. When I am scrolling through the menu I stop and look longingly at the shows ID is showing. I don't know if I can convince the fiance that spending an extra amt of money every month so I can watch ID would be money well spent. He already complains about Forensic Files and tells me how morbid I am.

Regardless, I will email them as well about 3MW. If they did profile the women then it would give me a stronger argument for getting the channel as he knows this case is near and dear

 

[MaryLiz]

I am so envious of everyone who has Investigative Discovery! I have digital cable through Time Warner Cable and I have tons of channels but not that one. When I am scrolling through the menu I stop and look longingly at the shows ID is showing. I don't know if I can convince the fiance that spending an extra amt of money every month so I can watch ID would be money well spent. He already complains about Forensic Files and tells me how morbid I am.

Regardless, I will email them as well about 3MW. If they did profile the women then it would give me a stronger argument for getting the channel as he knows this case is near and dear

My bold..

LOL! I can relate..all my family and friends think I'm morbid too for being interested in this stuff.

I have Time Warner Digital and get ID. It seems strange that you live in NYC and don't have ID on your lineup, and I live in a podunk town in Ohio and it's on my cable! :waitasec: I actually couldn't believe we got it on our cable here when it was first added to the lineup. It is a good channel. Hopefully, it won't cost too much for you to add it to your cable!

 

[theforgotten]

I have Verizon Fio's and I get the ID channel along with the Crime channel. There good channel's, but I wish they would do an updated story on the 3mw.
I should try to email them and sugest it. This case is the reason I found websleuths.

 

[wfgodot]

I have Verizon Fio's and I get the ID channel along with the Crime channel. There good channel's, but I wish they would do an updated story on the 3mw.
I should try to email them and sugest it. This case is the reason I found websleuths.

At this rate, we may not see anything updated till 2012, the twentieth anniversary of this mystery.

 

[Kathee]

At this rate, we may not see anything updated till 2012, the twentieth anniversary of this mystery.

So sad, but true! I'm still here working behind the scenes....I will never give up even though there are some who want me too.

 

[wfgodot]

So sad, but true! I'm still here working behind the scenes....I will never give up even though there are some who want me too.

You've done great work, Kathee. Me, I mostly just sit here and mull it all over.

 

[theforgotten]

So sad, but true! I'm still here working behind the scenes....I will never give up even though there are some who want me too.

Kathee, I thank you for not giving up. Someone posted a couple days ago that the police don't even want to talk about the case. That makes me want to cry. These women were people. They had lives and friends and family that loved them.The police just can't shove them aside and pretend that whatever happened didn't. Keep up the hard work Kathee.

 

[MaryLiz]

So sad, but true! I'm still here working behind the scenes....I will never give up even though there are some who want me too.

Kathee, I appreciate all your behind-the-scenes work, as I'm sure we all do. It's due to people like you who don't give up that cases like this are eventually solved.

 

[dale417]

Someone posted a couple days ago that the police don't even want to talk about the case. That makes me want to cry. These women were people. They had lives and friends and family that loved them.The police just can't shove them aside and pretend that whatever happened didn't.

Simple fact is the police won't talk about it, attempting to keep things under special prosecutors' wraps, judicial gag-orders with out any satisfaction toward any of the three missing womens' families. I would bet the PD is not even working this case much (more concerned about how much they get in retirement). It stinks, it's dirty and an injustice to many people.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Kathee, I thank you for not giving up. Someone posted a couple days ago that the police don't even want to talk about the case. That makes me want to cry. These women were people. They had lives and friends and family that loved them.The police just can't shove them aside and pretend that whatever happened didn't. Keep up the hard work Kathee.

That someone was me. I had contacted the newspaper reporter assigned to this case a few years and was informed via e-mail that while the police would discuss other cases they would refuse to discuss this case. Why the local newspaper or media would tolerate this from the police who are paid by the taxpayers is beyond my understanding. One would think we have had a resurrection of the Soviet Union. Personally, I think if the local media would rattle their cages as much as is necessary it would help to move the case along. But if they don't take their duties seriously, the cops get a free ride and can just bury the case, which evidently has happened.

 

[Trooogrit]

It is fairly common that the police will not discuss an open case. I am not sure they will ever give out information that has been kept from the public. This is policy with police departments all over the country. This case is one of thousands that has gone unsolved for a long period of time. It may never be solved.

 

[Hurricane]

Someone posted a couple days ago that the police don't even want to talk about the case. That makes me want to cry. These women were people. They had lives and friends and family that loved them.The police just can't shove them aside and pretend that whatever happened didn't.

Simple fact is the police won't talk about it, attempting to keep things under special prosecutors' wraps, judicial gag-orders with out any satisfaction toward any of the three missing womens' families. I would bet the PD is not even working this case much (more concerned about how much they get in retirement). It stinks, it's dirty and an injustice to many people.[/

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There are 30 cases on just the opening page of the Cold Case Forum here on Websleuths. If you read thru them I would wager to say that of those with any substance or discussion ongoing someone always clamors for information from LE to be made public; police cover-up, police incompetence, etc. Such comments come about thru frustration. It’s a common theme here. But the public has no right to such information regardless of how old the case may be or whether it is being actively worked or not. From all indications LE has kept the McCall family in the loop since they are not clamoring of incompetence and cover-ups. We don’t know but I would make the assumption that it is also true that they are keeping Debbie Swartz informed as well. How LE treats Bartt Streeter probably depends on how they view him as a suspect and/or any possible connections he may have had to other suspects. So I’m not sure how all of this is an injustice to may people.

 

[Trooogrit]

Make no mistake.... I wish the police would reveal more, however that is not how it is done. Everything in print suggests that there has never been much to go on. If there were a clear motive it would be easier.

 

[Missouri Mule]

It is fairly common that the police will not discuss an open case. I am not sure they will ever give out information that has been kept from the public. This is policy with police departments all over the country. This case is one of thousands that has gone unsolved for a long period of time. It may never be solved.

I'm sure that is true but if the public is not brought into the investigation with periodic updates they are unlikely to get timely information if the public believes it will be ignored. Am I wrong?

How many of these thousands of cases have gone unsolved because of insular police forces? Methinks it also numbers in the thousands of cases.

 

[Trooogrit]

I'm sure that is true but if the public is not brought into the investigation with periodic updates they are unlikely to get timely information if the public believes it will be ignored. Am I wrong?

How many of these thousands of cases have gone unsolved because of insular police forces? Methinks it also numbers in the thousands of cases.

Well I dont know what to tell you, I dont believe that they will update the public on this. It will either be solved or not solved. Maybe someday they will have a break and it will be solved.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Well I dont know what to tell you, I dont believe that they will update the public on this. It will either be solved or not solved. Maybe someday they will have a break and it will be solved.

I would share the essense of a private e-mail if I didn't promise maintaining confidence but I will say this much. A source close to the investigation once told me that one of the primary officers to this case didn't have a clue and furthermore said it would be up my source to break the case. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

What I would most like to see from the police department is that they are are squeaky clean. I'm not convinced that is the case. If this was a major drug operation which inspired this crime it is not unreasonable to believe that some high officials had their palms greased.

I was doing some research on Al Capone today and in his heyday he bought off the mayor of Chicago and had most of the cops on his payroll. I simply don't buy the argument that we should give them the benefit of the doubt if they are so arrogant to even discuss the case. At the very least they could go over the already known publicly published facts in chronological order. They give up nothing but they would instill great confidence in the public that the investigation is clean and devoid of corruption. I should think that is the least the public should expect of any police department.

"Through this organized corruption, which included the bribing of Mayor of Chicago William "Big Bill" Hale Thompson, Capone's gang operated largely free from legal intrusion, operating casinos and speakeasies throughout Chicago. Wealth also permitted Capone to indulge in a luxurious lifestyle of custom suits, cigars, gourmet food and drink (his preferred liquor was Templeton Rye from Iowa), jewelry, and female companionship. He garnered media attention, to which his favorite responses was "I am just a businessman, giving the people what they want" and "All I do is satisfy a public demand."[6] Capone had become a celebrity."...

(Snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone

 

[monkeymann]

After obsessing further on this case I've got a couple of points and questions to throw out there:

According to the MoCasenet internet database for missouri courts, Francis Robb Sr.'s trial for 1st Degree Murder was scheduled to start on June 1, 1992.

The proximity to the date the 3MW disappeared bothers me...so to speak.

1.) Supposidly Suzie Streeter was to testify in the "Grave Robbers" trial.

2.) Supposidly either Francis Robb Sr., and/or, some/all of his associates/relatives were rumored to be tied to a "Fencing" operation for stolen goods and Drug/Meth dealing

3.) What if Francis Robb was worried about any loose connections that might tie him solidly to the 1st Degree Murder charges he was facing, and decided to "Eliminate" the loose ends.

4.) If one of the women..."Suzie", who had been rumored to have hung with a "Rougher Crowd", was targeted because she was going to testify to in court regarding the Grave Robbers Case....and possably the Grave Robbers had ties to the Francis Robb clan, and Francis Robb Sr. or the people who were tied to him, thought that Suzie's testimony in the Grave Robbers Case would "Inadvertantly" lead Law Enforcement back to the Francis Robb Sr. clan and their criminal activities...be it a Fencing Operation, or Drugs.

I would also like to point out that according to MoCasenet (2) grave robbers were convicted of Class D-Felonys. The reason I point this out is because some people have attempted to "Down Play" the charges the grave robbers were facing.

Also, one of the Grave Robbers, according to MoCasenet was sent to a Drug Treatment Program as part of his sentence...which PROVES, ONCE AND FOR ALL, that the people that Suzie Streeter ran with, at least some of them, WERE into drug use!

 

[monkeymann]

I also read about the discovery of the "Spoon Rings" that were supposidly found in a box with newspaper clipping about the 3MW case, in a crawl space under the old house that "Supposidly" Steven Garrison had formerly lived at.

Heres what I'd like to know:

1.) What "Solid Evidence" is there that Steven Garrison ever lived at that address?

2.) Why was Kathy B. contacted, and the "Supposid Evidence" relenquished to "Her"
FIRST, instead of the SPD?

 

[Missouri Mule]

After obsessing further on this case I've got a couple of points and questions to throw out there:

According to the MoCasenet internet database for Missouri courts, Francis Robb Sr.'s trial for 1st Degree Murder was scheduled to start on June 1, 1992.

The proximity to the date the 3MW disappeared bothers me...so to speak.

1.) Supposedly Suzie Streeter was to testify in the "Grave Robbers" trial.

2.) Supposedly either Francis Robb Sr., and/or, some/all of his associates/relatives were rumored to be tied to a "Fencing" operation for stolen goods and Drug/Meth dealing

3.) What if Francis Robb was worried about any loose connections that might tie him solidly to the 1st Degree Murder charges he was facing, and decided to "Eliminate" the loose ends.

4.) If one of the women..."Suzie", who had been rumored to have hung with a "Rougher Crowd", was targeted because she was going to testify to in court regarding the Grave Robbers Case....and possibly the Grave Robbers had ties to the Francis Robb clan, and Francis Robb Sr. or the people who were tied to him, thought that Suzie's testimony in the Grave Robbers Case would "Inadvertently" lead Law Enforcement back to the Francis Robb Sr. clan and their criminal activities...be it a Fencing Operation, or Drugs.

I would also like to point out that according to MoCasenet (2) grave robbers were convicted of Class D-Felonies. The reason I point this out is because some people have attempted to "Down Play" the charges the grave robbers were facing.

Also, one of the Grave Robbers, according to MoCasenet was sent to a Drug Treatment Program as part of his sentence...which PROVES, ONCE AND FOR ALL, that the people that Suzie Streeter ran with, at least some of them, WERE into drug use!

Your analysis seems sound to me. Entirely plausible. Provides a working hypothesis. It is not unreasonable to conclude that one of the various flunkies was the person who was casing the Levitt home. Does this square with the stated motive of "sexual assault" however?