The Talent show

[Calliope]

That would work.

If Terri is guilty she needs Kyron thinking his day is going to go as he wants it to go. If he WANTS to be in the show...and he thinks he has a Doctors appt....I think he has to believe he will be back in time to participate. Maybe that's why the backpack is left..."Come on, you won't be gone that long. Leave your stuff."

Terri would not want to chance Kyron fussing at her at the school about leaving.

I think your idea about Kaine is very plausible. Children love surprises. Terri needs the max amount of time before the disappearance is discovered.

The "Dr's appt." allows Terri to get Kyron to leave while still maintaining the illusion to him that he will be back for the show. It renders Kyron cooperative in his own disappearance.

Terri needs Kyron at school for her alibi and then...leaving happily, without a fuss.

Poor little guy.

If Teri is guilty this is the most horrific betrayal of a child's trust. Ugh!

Beyond horrific.

 

[BeanE]

That would work.

If Terri is guilty she needs Kyron thinking his day is going to go as he wants it to go. If he WANTS to be in the show...and he thinks he has a Doctors appt....I think he has to believe he will be back in time to participate. Maybe that's why the backpack is left..."Come on, you won't be gone that long. Leave your stuff."

Terri would not want to chance Kyron fussing at her at the school about leaving.

I think your idea about Kaine is very plausible. Children love surprises. Terri needs the max amount of time before the disappearance is discovered.

The "Dr's appt." allows Terri to get Kyron to leave while still maintaining the illusion to him that he will be back for the show. It renders Kyron cooperative in his own disappearance.

Terri needs Kyron at school for her alibi and then...leaving happily, without a fuss.

Poor little guy.

If Teri is guilty this is the most horrific betrayal of a child's trust. Ugh!

But I think she would have needed Kyron not to think he had a doctor's appt that day. Otherwise, he may tell someone, and she needed him not to do that, because she needed people to think the appt was the next week.

And really, there are any number of things you can tell a 7 year old to get them outside. I think if she's guilty, she needed to tell him something very spur of the moment, that he wouldn't tell anyone else. "Oh come quick, I just remembered you have a dr appt. Sssshhh don't tell anyone." I think even a 7 year old would be skeptical of.

"Darn it! I left your lunch in the truck! Come run out with me and grab it, honey." works just fine.

If she set up a scenario like I described, there had to be something more important she was trying to do, that she would set it up that way, I think. Something important that couldn't be done in another way.

 

[stmarysmead]

But I think she would have needed Kyron not to think he had a doctor's appt that day. Otherwise, he may tell someone, and she needed him not to do that, because she needed people to think the appt was the next week.

And really, there are any number of things you can tell a 7 year old to get them outside. I think if she's guilty, she needed to tell him something very spur of the moment, that he wouldn't tell anyone else. "Oh come quick, I just remembered you have a dr appt. Sssshhh don't tell anyone." I think even a 7 year old would be skeptical of.

"Darn it! I left your lunch in the truck! Come run out with me and grab it, honey." works just fine.

If she set up a scenario like I described, there had to be something more important she was trying to do, that she would set it up that way, I think. Something important that couldn't be done in another way.

Well, assuming guilt, her objectives are to get him out of school and buy time till the disappearance is uncovered. Did she even need the Talent show? Maybe it was frosting but not the cake. The Drs appt gets him out and buys her time. If the Talent show works...good. If not, she still has most of the morning until early afternoon.

Remember Terri is very organized. This may just be an attempt to maximize her time frame but not really vital to her plan.

 

[BeanE]

Well, assuming guilt, her objectives are to get him out of school and buy time till the disappearance is uncovered. Did she even need the Talent show? Maybe it was frosting but not the cake. The Drs appt gets him out and buys her time. If the Talent show works...good. If not, she still has most of the morning until early afternoon.

Remember Terri is very organized. This may just be an attempt to maximize her time frame but not really vital to her plan.

Maybe the simplest explanation, if Terri's involved, is still back to what I was thinking before, that she and Kaine and possibly Desiree made a collective decision that Kyron wouldn't be in the talent show, that the frog project would take precedence. And that Kyron decided on his own that he wanted to be in the talent show anyway, in typical little boy fashion.

That would account for there being no mention between Kaine and Kyron of the show that morning, but still account for the possibility of the child testifying at the GJ, that Kyron and he planned and possibly even practiced to be in the show.

Doesn't completely work for me though, because then I have to ask myself why LE would want the child to testify about that in that instance. LE would have to have a reason.

Or perhaps the child testified about something totally unrelated. Like maybe Kyron had told him he was going to go to the dr on Friday.

sigh... I have a headache thinking about all this.

 

[debs]

Plausible again.

That would work.

If Terri is guilty she needs Kyron thinking his day is going to go as he wants it to go. If he WANTS to be in the show...and he thinks he has a Doctors appt....I think he has to believe he will be back in time to participate. Maybe that's why the backpack is left..."Come on, you won't be gone that long. Leave your stuff."

Terri would not want to chance Kyron fussing at her at the school about leaving.

A compliant vic is a happy perp.

I think your idea about Kaine is very plausible. Children love surprises. Terri needs the max amount of time before the disappearance is discovered.

The "Dr's appt." allows Terri to get Kyron to leave while still maintaining the illusion to him that he will be back for the show. It renders Kyron cooperative in his own disappearance.

Terri needs Kyron at school for her alibi and then...leaving happily, without a fuss.

Poor little guy.

If Teri is guilty this is the most horrific betrayal of a child's trust. Ugh!

What it doesn't explain is the need for the talent show. Kyron, by all accounts, was happy just to be AT school, so coming back after a Dr's appointment would suffice. I am starting to wonder if the issue of Kyron being in the talent show helps someone ELSE'S alibi, since it clearly doesn't help Terri's.

 

[stmarysmead]

Plausible again.


A compliant vic is a happy perp.



What it doesn't explain is the need for the talent show. Kyron, by all accounts, was happy just to be AT school, so coming back after a Dr's appointment would suffice. I am starting to wonder if the issue of Kyron being in the talent show helps someone ELSE'S alibi, since it clearly doesn't help Terri's.

With respect , Debs, it does help Terri's. It is false to say extra time would not be an asset. It always is...no matter what we hope to achieve. Extra time is ALWAYS a plus.

So there is no way to jump from that false conclusion to wondering about someone's else's alibi. Who else needs an alibi? Maybe if you help me understand, I might agree.

Dede? She and Terri are the two under the microscope. I might consider that. Did Dede need additional time to achieve whatever Terri needed her to do?

 

[Dee10]

IMO what would the purpose be of a child going before the GJ to testify if Kyron was supposed to be in a talent show accomplish? IIRC it was never stated as to why that child was brought before the GJ. IMO the child was brought before the GJ as to something that he witnessed, the morning, that Terri and Kyron were a part of. What would Kyron's being schedueled for the talent show or not, have to do with him not ever making it to class in the morning?

Exactly! I can't see what difference it makes if Kryon was in the show or not, he went missing around 9:00. I could see relevance if Terri had said she was going to be there but that has never been mentioned anywhere (to my knowledge) so apparently there is no issue there. I am not following how this could relate to Kryon's disappearance?

 

[debs]

With respect , Debs, it does help Terri's. It is false to say extra time would not be an asset. It always is...no matter what we hope to achieve. Extra time is ALWAYS a plus.

So there is no way to jump from that false conclusion to wondering about someone's else's alibi. Who else needs an alibi? Maybe if you help me understand, I might agree.

Dede? She and Terri are the two under the microscope. I might consider that. Did Dede need additional time to achieve whatever Terri needed her to do?

If Terri is the perp, she didn't need any extra time at all. All she had to do is say "Kyron, we've gotta go get something from the truck." And that's all it takes.

It isn't a false conclusion, by any means. It's a speculative conclusion, since all we can do is speculate. We don't know. That's why we're discussing it. But to wonder about someone else's alibi is prudent, if only for the ONE little snag in all Terri theories......it IS possible she is NOT the perp. I tend to fall into the category of allowing the possibility, but not that absolute assured she's the perp conclusion.

Anyone else at that school that morning could need an alibi if they are the perp. And if they thought they wouldn't get a chance until the talent show, but things worked out where Kyron could be taken earlier, then as you say......time is always an asset. I have not mentioned Dede at all. She's not part of the school scenario, unless she's the primary perp. Then what does Terri need an alibi for at all?

 

[Morag]

Exactly! I can't see what difference it makes if Kryon was in the show or not, he went missing around 9:00. I could see relevance if Terri had said she was going to be there but that has never been mentioned anywhere (to my knowledge) so apparently there is no issue there. I am not following how this could relate to Kryon's disappearance?

Dee, I'm with you! I can't figure out what difference it makes, either.

As I recall, the first bit of discussion (not on this thread) was "why didn't the lazy, evil stay-at-home stepmother go to see precious Kyron in his two minutes of glory?" Then, there was a certain amount of maybe parents weren't invited, and maybe baby was napping, and maybe it was no big deal, and maybe Kyron was too shy to perform, and maybe he didn't want his parent there and maybe he wasn't even in it.

What I still can't figure out is what difference it makes. If he wasn't scheduled to be in it, that's that. If he was, and he was a no-show, it couldn't have been too important, or the teacher/director of the show would have been concerned about his absence.

Here's a post about the 2009 Talent Show. It seems as though a preview/audition is required for participation. If Kyron didn't preview on Thursday, then he would have missed the Friday preview, assuming he did miss it. Sounds like it was a very casual thing which wouldn't necessarily involve a printed program, and according to the handbook,


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This was about their school activities 2009 and about the talentshow...

Any Skyline student can sign up to share their talent during this entire week. Talent Show previews will be held in the gym during recess on Thursday and Friday. (Friday) June 5th is the day of the talent show. Acts must sign up and have their act approved during the previews in order to perform in the show. We welcome any and all talents that are appropriate for K-8th grade students. Acts will be limited to 2 minutes or less in order to make sure we get through the talent show in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[stmarysmead]

If Terri is the perp, she didn't need any extra time at all. All she had to do is say "Kyron, we've gotta go get something from the truck." And that's all it takes.

It isn't a false conclusion, by any means. It's a speculative conclusion, since all we can do is speculate. We don't know. That's why we're discussing it. But to wonder about someone else's alibi is prudent, if only for the ONE little snag in all Terri theories......it IS possible she is NOT the perp. I tend to fall into the category of allowing the possibility, but not that absolute assured she's the perp conclusion.

Anyone else at that school that morning could need an alibi if they are the perp. And if they thought they wouldn't get a chance until the talent show, but things worked out where Kyron could be taken earlier, then as you say......time is always an asset. I have not mentioned Dede at all. She's not part of the school scenario, unless she's the primary perp. Then what does Terri need an alibi for at all?

What do you think these plans were that Kyron would be taken at the Fashion show? Who do you suspect were making these plans? Why did they think...as you state...that "they would not get a chance until the Talent Show?

In what way? How would they not get a chance sooner?

How did the Talent Show fit into the plans of these others at school?

What would they do between the Science fair and the Talent show as they waited to enact their plan?

Are you suspecting employees?

 

[debs]

What do you think these plans were that Kyron would be taken at the Fashion show? Who do you suspect were making these plans? Why did they think...as you state...that "they would not get a chance until the Talent Show?

In what way? How would they not get a chance sooner?

How did the Talent Show fit into the plans of these others at school?

What would they do between the Science fair and the Talent show as they waited to enact their plan?

Are you suspecting employees?

What fashion show?

Since this is all theoretical, I am not dependent upon knowing someone's plans, outside of "get Kyron out of the school." What more did they need?

Everyone knows Kyron disappeared around 9 a.m. Speculation about someone else using the talent show (and thereby causing all the confusion) is all I'm doing. If someone was going to use the talent show, then it's obvious that, since Kyron disappeared at 9 a.m., an opportunity arose where they could implement their "get Kyron out of school" plan.

I'm not making wild accusations or naming suspects. I'm merely throwing out possibilities. It's really that simple.

 

[stmarysmead]

What fashion show?

Since this is all theoretical, I am not dependent upon knowing someone's plans, outside of "get Kyron out of the school." What more did they need?

Everyone knows Kyron disappeared around 9 a.m. Speculation about someone else using the talent show (and thereby causing all the confusion) is all I'm doing. If someone was going to use the talent show, then it's obvious that, since Kyron disappeared at 9 a.m., an opportunity arose where they could implement their "get Kyron out of school" plan.

I'm not making wild accusations or naming suspects. I'm merely throwing out possibilities. It's really that simple.

LOL! I'm planning a Fashion Show...hope I didn't send out memos today about the "Talent Show."

Thanks for explaining.

"No accusations"...okay, I understand. Perfect.

 

[Calliope]

LOL! I'm planning a Fashion Show...hope I didn't send out memos today about the "Talent Show."

Thanks for explaining.

"No accusations"...okay, I understand. Perfect.

lol now that would be interesting

 

[Calliope]

Exactly! I can't see what difference it makes if Kryon was in the show or not, he went missing around 9:00. I could see relevance if Terri had said she was going to be there but that has never been mentioned anywhere (to my knowledge) so apparently there is no issue there. I am not following how this could relate to Kryon's disappearance?

Well I asked this earlier on this thread; I just don't understand how releasing this information could impact the investigation.

But.

I have to wonder why the parents and school don't simply come out and give a definitive answer. Which makes me also wonder if it indeed could be significant.

 

[Billylee]

Maybe the simplest explanation, if Terri's involved, is still back to what I was thinking before, that she and Kaine and possibly Desiree made a collective decision that Kyron wouldn't be in the talent show, that the frog project would take precedence. And that Kyron decided on his own that he wanted to be in the talent show anyway, in typical little boy fashion.

That would account for there being no mention between Kaine and Kyron of the show that morning, but still account for the possibility of the child testifying at the GJ, that Kyron and he planned and possibly even practiced to be in the show.

Doesn't completely work for me though, because then I have to ask myself why LE would want the child to testify about that in that instance. LE would have to have a reason.

Or perhaps the child testified about something totally unrelated. Like maybe Kyron had told him he was going to go to the dr on Friday.

sigh... I have a headache thinking about all this.

I dunno, but sounds to me like KH & DY knew NOTHING about the talent show. So had they all made the decision he couldn't or wouldn't be in it, then I think they'd have said so when asked about it.

I do believe that there may be something else this child testified for, like the Dr. Appt.. For instance, let's say that there was a Dr. Appt. on the 11th. Okay, now it comes down to a "she said/she said" thing between Porter and TH (though I don't know why there wasn't paperwork provided to the teacher with a date on it).

Maybe, Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show, and TH knew it, but she just didn't bother to tell KH or DY because she actually knew he wasn't gonna be there and she knew if they showed up for it, she couldn't do what she wanted to do. And maybe, Kyron told his buddy, gee I gotta go to a dr. appointment so I hope I'm back in time for the show. If that's the case, then Kyron mentioning it to his friend could be why the friend was interviewed by the GJ. However, one would think that TH was smart enough to realize Kyron would tell his friend, but maybe not.

I really thought, when I first read about the 9 year old being called to testify that it had to do with him being the last one to see TH, the one at 9:00 a.m., and really had nothing to do with the talent show. But who knows?

I guess my questions about the talent show,are
#1 was he signed up, #2 Did TH know he was signed up, and if so why would she make an alleged Dr. appointment for that day. #3 If TH knew, why not tell KH & DY #4 Also, why haven't we heard what he was going to do from parents/teachers via media? Did LE tell them specifically not to talk about the talent show for some reason? And lastly, if he was NOT signed up, why would Shreiber and Coghill say he was?

It could be pertinent to the case, depending upon what the GJ was asking this little guy. Which of course, we have no idea!

(Something else just occurred to me, has it been noted whether or not TH was aware of Kaine's early homecoming that day, or was it a surprise?)

 

[NancyA]

As someone who veers mostly toward Terri being the perp (when I'm not on the fence because of the scarcity of officially confirmed info or conflicting info) I hate to say it because it means clambering up that blessed fence again but it sort of works in her favor for me that she DIDN'T go to the talent show. Thinking about it if she had 'disappeared' Kyron that morning, I'd have thought she would have definitely turned up to the show that afternoon knowing that he wasn't going to be there but acting like she expected him to be, all fake hysterical and demanding to know where he was as a sort of additional bolster to her claim that she left him there that morning.

 

[Billylee]

As someone who veers mostly toward Terri being the perp (when I'm not on the fence because of the scarcity of officially confirmed info or conflicting info) I hate to say it because it means clambering up that blessed fence again but it sort of works in her favor for me that she DIDN'T go to the talent show. Thinking about it if she had 'disappeared' Kyron that morning, I'd have thought she would have definitely turned up to the show that afternoon knowing that he wasn't going to be there but acting like she expected him to be, all fake hysterical and demanding to know where he was as a sort of additional bolster to her claim that she left him there that morning.

I'm still on the fence with a rather sore butt. But, IF TH did this and part of her "doing time" was during the talent show, she sure wouldn't want KH & DY showing up. I can't remember, is part of the time LE is trying to pin down anywhere between 1:00 and 2:00, or let's say 12:30 and 2:00 when KH or DY might have shown up at the school if they were aware of a 2 minute performance?

 

[Calliope]

As someone who veers mostly toward Terri being the perp (when I'm not on the fence because of the scarcity of officially confirmed info or conflicting info) I hate to say it because it means clambering up that blessed fence again but it sort of works in her favor for me that she DIDN'T go to the talent show. Thinking about it if she had 'disappeared' Kyron that morning, I'd have thought she would have definitely turned up to the show that afternoon knowing that he wasn't going to be there but acting like she expected him to be, all fake hysterical and demanding to know where he was as a sort of additional bolster to her claim that she left him there that morning.

Good point.

 

[debs]

I'm still on the fence with a rather sore butt. But, IF TH did this and part of her "doing time" was during the talent show, she sure wouldn't want KH & DY showing up. I can't remember, is part of the time LE is trying to pin down anywhere between 1:00 and 2:00, or let's say 12:30 and 2:00 when KH or DY might have shown up at the school if they were aware of a 2 minute performance?

Both Desiree and Kaine have been insistent that they were not planning on being at the school because they each had to work.

 

[scotslass]

Both Desiree and Kaine have been insistent that they were not planning on being at the school because they each had to work.

Agreed, but if they had no knowledge of the talent show that afternoon then those statements are made regarding the science fair which was held in the early AM. They may have been able to attend an afternoon performance. Kaine left work early and He may have attended if he had known it was an option. If Th is guilty I'm sure she would want as much time as possible before the alarm is raised that Kyron is missing therefore it would be helpful to TH if Kaine was in the dark about this activity. This way she knew precisely the moment(no surprise timeline) they would learn that Kyron was missing (when he wasn't on the bus) and then add in some more time for the confusion on well maybe he just missed the bus, maybe he was confused and thought they were picking him up to go for ice cream etc... Then more time for the school to call authorities have them show up get themselves organized etc before anyone is really looking for k. That buys quite a lot of time. If Kaine showed up at the school for the talent show realized Kyron was missing things would have been in motion a hell of a lot sooner. I also would agree that is a big IF (him showing up) but if TH planned this (another big IF ) she covered her bases well.

JMO