It defies logic, doesn't it???
Yes'm it sure does.
It defies logic, doesn't it???
...and the dog hits?Regarding the adipocere and the the other decomposition related forensics . . .
They may have failed, in themselves, to be conclusive. I more or less agree with that.
Take out the adipocere and decay chemicals by themselves. Isolate them from the historical context of the "death smell" identified by Cindy, George, the tow yard guy, Lee, Casey herself, the cadaver dogs, and a handful of other people (including at least one expert witness who noted an odor of decay after the lining had been in police custody for two years) . . .
Whether that greasy stuff was adipocere or not does not render witness testimony meaningless.
It's like saying an apple is not conclusively an apple because the apple genome is incomplete or only mitochondrial. I'm gonna look at the apple, wash it off and eat it while you (the generic you) are still running forensics.
I'm gonna eat it because I am considering the entire BODY of evidence, not just the genome.
They should stay hidden IMO.I had the same thought about the Pinellas 12.
Think about this Kimpage, the jurors have to live with their decision the rest of their lives. They don't want to do interviews, don't want their names released, some even moved to other cities to escape the media and the general public.
Making a quick decision about a child's murderer (mo)--not a good thing.
I'd like to see someone who agrees with the verdict mention Caylee's name and to tell me how it feels that justice for this little girl wasn't served.
Just a random thought.
Yup...and look where his famous client is now.Agree. It's not like he would be willing to consider the possibility that the jury screwed up the deliberation process or that there is now a probable murderer free to commit murder again ( and we keep hearing that Casey needs protection! ).
No,anytime a defense wins a case ,even if a criminal walks free,AD will celebrate the WIN. Unfortunately it's the victims and the public who lose.
No implication...just haven't seen it. To be honest...I had no idea what your opinion was. I just have not seen Caylee's name mentioned by those who support the verdict. As I said...random thought. Sorry if you took it personally.it feels terrible. i resent the implication here that because one agrees with the verdict, one must not care about caylee. i read the caylee memorial thread and cried just today. it sickens me to think that if casey did murder her, she is not being punished. but i recognize that the prosecution didn't meet the burden. you obviously do not agree. that will not change. i don't know what happened to caylee. i don't feel like arguing it anymore. but it is really sickening that someone would think that because i agree with the verdict, i must not care about justice for caylee. i have cried for caylee. i wish there was more evidence, but i can recognize there wasn't. a court of law isn't about the victim. i can separate myself from justice for caylee and justice in a court of law. if this somehow makes me emotionless, mean, uncaring, evil, any such thing in anyones eyes..so be it i guess.
I'd like to see someone who agrees with the verdict mention Caylee's name and to tell me how it feels that justice for this little girl wasn't served.
Just a random thought.
They should stay hidden IMO.
Be ashamed...very ashamed.
Which reminds me of what JA said about not bringing up the "alleged" fight...that Cindy would deny it. I also thought that the attorneys couldn't stray too far from the depos. Was the pet burial stuff ever brought up with LA in his depo? If not, why was his testimony allowed?BBM....I agree. She's not special, but her family treated her as if she was more than special. FCA did not fear either CA or GA. No way was she sexually abused. As to physical abuse, my belief is that CA should have not let go during that fight on 6/15.
No implication...just haven't seen it. To be honest...I had no idea what your opinion was. I just have not seen Caylee's name mentioned by those who support the verdict. As I said...random thought. Sorry if you took it personally.
Wonder what happened to the juror's notebooks. Guess they didn't take any notes on any evidence they wished to re-evaluate during their non-deliberation stage. It was all perfectly clear when they were done listening to the DT.
it feels terrible. i resent the implication here that because one agrees with the verdict, one must not care about caylee. i read the caylee memorial thread and cried just today. it sickens me to think that if casey did murder her, she is not being punished. but i recognize that the prosecution didn't meet the burden. you obviously do not agree. that will not change. i don't know what happened to caylee. i don't feel like arguing it anymore. but it is really sickening that someone would think that because i agree with the verdict, i must not care about justice for caylee. i have cried for caylee. i wish there was more evidence, but i can recognize there wasn't. a court of law isn't about the victim. i can separate myself from justice for caylee and justice in a court of law. if this somehow makes me emotionless, mean, uncaring, evil, any such thing in anyones eyes..so be it i guess.
For the LE, SA and those of us who still have good old-fashioned morals, KC's lying was the biggest tell in this case. Even with all the other amazing evidence the LE were able to gather in this "dry bones" case, KC's lying was astounding and proof of guilt.
However, the DT were very clever to take this worst part of KC and turn into nothing by using psychobabble.
I wish the SA would have seen this coming and adjusted their case accordingly.
Unfortunately, they did not, believing that the jury, supposedly formed of good, hard-working, decent Americans would also see that the astonishing lies would point to consciousness of guilt.
They'd blame it on the prosecution or the devious politics that interfered with due process.
See, it's the state's fault that they did not PROVE with appropriate forensic evidence that a dead Caylee was decomposing in her mother's trunk
Since these bits of evidence were failures, therefore, all the people and dogs and Casey herself who smelled the smell were thrown out with the bathwater. Or something like that. I still wish I could understand how in the heck this happened :banghead:
Opinion is all about the person having it. Facts stand alone, and you can opine about them until the cows come home and facts will remain exactly the same.
You suggest that my part in this discussion is based upon my opinion, and that is only partly true. I (hope I have) qualified when I do give an opinion. Otherwise, I am doing my best to stick to the known facts.
With due respect, I wouldn't even bother having this discussion with anyone who is just composing opinions. I mean, how uninteresting. You personally are very interesting, don't get me wrong. My point is, opinions are like hind ends, everyone has one, has the right to have however many they can come up with and it's very intrusive and controlling of me to change something as deeply personal as YOUR OPINION.
It seems to me that it is ducking responsibility, for one's own words, to qualify ALL of them with "my opinion only". What a way to avoid taking responsibility. I think the mods have made this issue clear, for instance, calling FCA a murderer after she's been acquitted is disrespectful of the justice system, we are very respectful of it around here, and ought to be qualified with "IMO".
A person who is working with the facts and evidence of the Anthony case, drawing conclusions and making statements is involving themselves in a much deeper way than "JMO".
Unless, I suppose, a person equates having an opinion with having a belief. That is confusion.
I for one have beliefs about what happened to Caylee, and I derived those beliefs (not opinions) from examining the evidence. I am discussing my beliefs here (with some opinions now and then, of course), and I thought I was discussing your beliefs with you.
If it turns out all I am discussing is your opinions, then . . . well, two things. One, your opinions sure come across as beliefs and have fooled me. You have spent a lot of time here discussing your opinions as if they were based on the facts and evidence of the case. You've spent a lot of effort positing your opinions as statements that define some of the realities around this case.
Two, you have every right to your opinions and I have NO right to get in there and challenge them. I don't like to cross people's boundaries like that. I'm sad though because you are a great sparring partner![]()
Oh, karma is always at work. I'm patient.I understand where you are coming from, agreeing with the verdict has nothing to do with grief at the death of a beautiful child.
The opportunity for justice for Caylee is out of everyone's hands now, unless Karma has hands.
Re: the BBM; like I said to RR0004, the pro-verdict people will likely blame the prosecution for the lack of justice. The anti-verdict people tend to blame the jury. In the end, it was the jury's decision, they are the final culpable party. The state had an obligation to present adequate evidence, and the defense to counter it. The jury had the obligation to decide guilt, and they chose to disregard all of the evidence because SOME of the evidence was doubtful.
They should stay hidden IMO.
Be ashamed...very ashamed.
Wonder what happened to the juror's notebooks. Guess they didn't take any notes on any evidence they wished to re-evaluate during their non-deliberation stage. It was all perfectly clear when they were done listening to the DT.