Indiana at Heart
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How do we know that Haleigh wasn't killed before Ron went to work?
We don't........
How do we know that Haleigh wasn't killed before Ron went to work?
How do we know that Haleigh wasn't killed before Ron went to work?
Unless investigators are purposefully lying about when Haleigh was last seen, Haleigh was alive around 7 pm on the evening of February 9 2009. No-one in LE has stated that she was never there.
The AC Repairman was also at the trailer that day around 5, however investigators have never said if he saw Haleigh.
Elle, you stated...No-one in LE has stated that she was never there.
Are you referring to GGMS? If so, LE has never stated for a fact she was there...
And we don't know Haleigh was alive around 7:00 pm on the evening of the 9th either....I suspect GGMS is the one who lied about seeing Haleigh alive and well eating dinner on the front porch in order to provide an alibi for her grandson.... Also, last I heard GGMS had changed the time she supposedly was there from shortly after 7:00 to closer to 8:00 pm. Could that be because of the time Ron C finally got himself in to work? JMO
LE did state that a grandmother was there around 7pm that evening, names aside they did state one was there. Remember the LT Greenwood interview here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzz...B02F7187&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=58
I understand that you suspect GGS was and is lying but investigators do not confirm those suspicions. They have never said TN, GGS, are lying or are not to be believed. They are the ones who offered the info up to the media in the first place. Why put it out there is it wasn't true?
I never heard that GGS changed what time she was at the trailer. I believe that the media is responsible for much of the misconceptions in this case, it has always been about "scooping the story" in my opinion not reporting the facts. The interviewer in the above video is the one who asks....was that paternal or maternal grandmother? Greenwood answers...."I believe it is paternal...the interviewer says" Neves"...Greenwood says. mmhmmm....Neves. But, a grandmother none the less, someone saw Haleigh around 7 pm according to investigators.
LE did state that a grandmother was there around 7pm that evening, names aside they did state one was there. Remember the LT Greenwood interview here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzz...B02F7187&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=58
I understand that you suspect GGS was and is lying but investigators do not confirm those suspicions. They have never said TN, GGS, are lying or are not to be believed. They are the ones who offered the info up to the media in the first place. Why put it out there is it wasn't true?
I never heard that GGS changed what time she was at the trailer. I believe that the media is responsible for much of the misconceptions in this case, it has always been about "scooping the story" in my opinion not reporting the facts. The interviewer in the above video is the one who asks....was that paternal or maternal grandmother? Greenwood answers...."I believe it is paternal...the interviewer says" Neves"...Greenwood says. mmhmmm....Neves. But, a grandmother none the less, someone saw Haleigh around 7 pm according to investigators.
Good Morning Don...I believe investigators have been working Haleigh's disappearance as a homicide since the day they sent Tim Miller away, and requested that no-one search for Haleigh anymore. I also believe that whatever happened to Haleigh happened after RC went to work on February 9, 2009.
Believe it or not, I also believed that RC loved his children and had a very close relationship with Haleigh. I do not believe he would sell her to a pedophile sex ring, no way. As far as arranging an illegal adoption to get back at Crystal, to be honest if you consider the history between these two young parents , illegal adoption makes even less sense to me. JMHO
As far as something happening closer to PDM, or Misty driving Haleigh closer to RC at PDM, that is the only scenario I personally couldn't throw out the window. Wouldn't Junior have been with Haleigh? Couldn't he tell investigators where they went if they went anywhere at all? What vehicle was used? Chelsea C had the blue van that night....not Misty.What about the man in black( because I believe Junior saw something that night)S Hardy answered a reporters question about who was in the home the night Haleigh went missing and he specifically states Junior was there. I just believe that something happened to Haleigh in the trailer ( or over at 116 Tyler) and it was after RC went to work. JMO
I don't know if RC was involved or if he left work to help cover up something that happened at the trailer after 7 pm, I don't understand why LE would say he was at work if he wasn't.
You know, it makes no sense whatsoever to me that any parent would sell, kill, hurt or give away their children but ten minutes browsing websleuths proves that I'm wrong, it makes terrifying sense to some people. I've lost some confidence in his devotion to his children after he showed very little concern for Jr in the jailhouse tapes. RC selling her or adopting her away doesn't really explain the antics of a number of other people though.
If Chelsea had the van all night and it was nowhere near Misty, how and when did the blankets end up in the van? Did they?
I think it's very likely that he was at work. I thought he brought it up rather gloatingly in a couple of video clips (moo and all that).
His attorney is on record saying there are no witnesses for RC's whereabouts the whole night though, and it seems to me that TS (or NG?) was a bit worried about those gaps because there was the distortion of the facts to try to prove that it would have absolutely taken him 1.5 hours to have been guilty of anything.
I am not defending anything at all. I am trying to make sure that there is an accurate representation of the facts in this case. LE stated someone saw Haleigh after RC was reported to have clocked in at PDM Bridge. That is not my suspicion, it is a LE statement.
Here is Dick S stating that the father's alibi panned at...His statement was at 5:40 into the press conference he states" Yes, he was at work", not that they are satisfied his alibi is that he was at work, but that he was at work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01D2wHv2og
I don't know if RC was involved or if he left work to help cover up something that happened at the trailer after 7 pm, I don't understand why LE would say he was at work if he wasn't.
IMHO. Perhaps, LE not speaking out against Ron,TN and his grandma is whats WRONG with this whole case...And WHY this case hasn't been solved and the real person/s involved in the deed and the coverup brought to justice...
And IMHO you are entitled to defend what I view as blatant inconsistencies on their part.. In reference to myself, I can't and I won't..
Please know..No disrespect intended.. JMO
I think he really was at work, which he is banking on for his "innocence" in the situation. Can't touch him. I believe the truth is that he is not innocent, because he is the primary cause of what happened to Haleigh. I also believe LE knows that. JMO.If LE had evidence Ron was not a work at some point that would not prove he did anything to Haleigh. It would just be a piece of the puzzle they might want to hold close to their vest as the other pieces fell in place.
It is a typical practice of LE to act like they believe a lie if they think the person will just lawyer up when confronted with that lie.
Unless investigators are purposefully lying about when Haleigh was last seen, Haleigh was alive around 7 pm on the evening of February 9 2009. No-one in LE has stated that she was never there.
The AC Repairman was also at the trailer that day around 5, however investigators have never said if he saw Haleigh.
Unless LE is willing to come right out and claim that GGMS is lying through her teeth, then they are bound to have to use the 7:00pm to 8:00pm timeline. It appears that GGMS has not been willing to take a poly on her little story of "checking" on the children and bringing laundry over, so I guess it's a waiting game to see if LE will ever dispute her story and expose her as a liar. Right now, they are still busy showing that Misty is a liar. If it has been proven that Misty was lying about Joe and Tommy and lying about Ron not being involved, then I do believe that Ron needs some serious questioning, including a LVA and another Poly.