Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #7

[larryphx]

What Time to you think Casey killed Caylee and what day?

 

[Joanner]

I was just reading the "today's news" forum here. One was for some Geraldo statements.

Geraldo says: "You first have to establish because there is no official cause of death that it is possible the child died accidentally by drowning in the swimming pool and there's some evidence to support that.”

Ok. I know it is Geraldo What evidence do you think Geraldo is referring to?

 

[larryphx]

I was just reading the "today's news" forum here. One was for some Geraldo statements.

Geraldo says: "You first have to establish because there is no official cause of death that it is possible the child died accidentally by drowning in the swimming pool and there's some evidence to support that.”

Ok. I know it is Geraldo What evidence do you think Geraldo is referring to?

I think Geraldo is making it up as he goes... Since he is very good friends with Beaz. It's Geraldo.... geralllllllldo.

 

[krkrjx]

We have freedom of speech so those journalists or whatever they are can say whatever they want. Doesn't make it true.

I cannot imagine what evidence there would be that would suggest possible drowning. The duct tape would refute drowning and yeah I know some are saying it could have been put there after death to make it look like a kidnapping. But that's just too weird. Why would anyone take a tragedy (accident) and try to make it look like a crime? Kids have accidents and sadly kids drown. Even in the face of a parent not paying attention causing it, charges are rarely filed so why would anyone fake a crime rather than report an accident?

I think that is a question the jury will ask and answer for themselves in deliberations. And I do not think the jury consists of a bunch of fools.

 

[RR473]

What Time to you think Casey killed Caylee and what day?

June 16th between 3 and 4 PM.

 

[Bobbarita]

Yes I also have a hard time imagining KC a 20 yo girl, described by everyone as normal and loving mother, planned and killed a 2 yo girl who was incidentally her own daughter.

I don't. Age really has nothing to do with it. For many years I worked as a psychiatric nurse and young sociopaths lie the same as older ones. I think KC's "freedom" was more important to her. She was aching to live a footloose and fancy-free lifestyle. She so wanted to be "the hot body" and garner all the attention. Just look at her documented behavior. Mugging for the camera, sexually provocative, sucking on lollipops. WEEEEE! LOOK AT MEEEEE! She is a sociopath with borderline personality disorder. She could convince anyone of anything including being normal and being a loving mother. She had EVERYONE DUPED. She left Caylee drugged in the trunk of the car numerous times. I mean, where was the child when she was not present and (now we know) not with "Zanny" ? Caylee was getting older, stronger and more verbal. She cramped the party lifestyle KC wanted. Her young friends were nice to Caylee because she was an adorable child, but they were single, childless, young party people. None of them wanted a toddler around when they were drinking, smoking, clubbing, etc. KC wanted a life with Tony Lazzaro. She wanted to be his woman and live with him far from the eyes, opinions, and advice of her parents. While Tony was nice to Caylee, he was into the KC relationship for the sex, not to be a Dad to Caylee. He wasn't looking to be a "family man". KC knew that and wanted to be rid of Kaylee. She drugged her up a final time, put the duct tape around her head, mouth and nose, and smothered her face with a chloroform soaked rag. Caylee was limp, unconscious, and not breathing. She was dead. KC then matter-of-factly placed the sticker on the tape covering her mouth. The "final kiss", so to speak. Bye-bye baby... For KC it was like placing a stamp on a package she was going to mail away. Like her posting, "Everbody lies, everybody dies...". Ho-hum. Life goes on. Don't forget her diary entry as well...I would find her guilty and give her the death penalty in a NY minute. IMO this case has "unreasonable doubt". Don't let her fool you.

 

[Bobbarita]

I think KC lost it, chloroformed her, taped off her airways, put her in the trunk, and went to TonE's to hang out, get movies, and sex it up. Then she proceeded to drive over to her folks (17th) to "prepare" Caylee's body in order to contain the odor and leakage. She backed the car into the garage, placed Caylee on the grass by the playhouse, borrowed the shovel in an attempt to bury her, and when that proved too difficult she bagged her and put her back into the trunk of her car. Caylee remained there until she was dumped down the street. I think she was dumped earlier in the day of the Fusian Hot Body contest... the end of that week.

eta: This is an incredible post about the placement of the duct tape on Caylee.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released

Warning, Graphic

Agree 1000% with this scenario. IMO, you nailed it!

 

[Bobbarita]

Maybe she used it to suppress the odor.

I don't think it was used to supress the odor. I believe it was used to render Caylee unconscious.

 

[guitasjm]

here's a thought...
JB stated that, referring to the sexual abuse allegations at LA... JB said that it DID NOT rise to the level of that of GA... right??? so, if by his own statement, if LA had NOT gone, i guess, 'the distance' of his father, than WHY did he, JB, than throw in, it got so bad, or words to that, that the FBI had to do a paternity test on LA..??? see?? he instantly contradicted himself....

 

[Bobbarita]

This backing into the garage has something to do with everything (I just haven't gone so far as to figure out exactly what IMO). I can't remember the last time DH, or me, or my DD backed into the garage. Backed into the driveway maybe, to make it easier to load or unload luggage or pack/unpack a vehicle, but back into the garage? What would be the purpose? (Must have something to do with the body in/out of the trunk). We live in a gated community in Florida and the homes have 2 and 3 car garages. I have been observing our neighbors for the past few days and no one backs into the garage. You use the auto door opener and drive in.

 

[katydid23]

I am not exactly sure HOW it happened. But I think I understand the why. Casey's life was crashing down around her when her mom threatened to fight for custody of the baby.

Caylee was the only leverage Casey had left with her folks. Because of that child she was able to mooch off them and to steal them blind. She had a car, insurance, food, a room for her and Caylee, everything she needed for survival. They walked on eggshells, pretending to believe all of her lies just to stay close to Caylee.

But after that final fight, when Cindy snapped, Casey KNEW things were about to change. Cindy said they were going to take custody of the baby, and kick Casey out of the nest. Caylee Marie Anthony was going to replace Casey Maries Anthony in a new updated Winnie The Pooh nursery. CASEY COULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. Once they began those proceedings everything would be ruined. All of her friends would know she lied about EVERYTHING.
And she had nowhere to turn. She had not had a job in ages, no references, no recent experience.She had been telling her friends she was about to get a house for them to all live in. Tony would find out what a fraud she was. SHE COULD NOT LET HER MOTHER SUE FOR CUSTODY.

I have kind of a weird theory, still full of kinks. But I think she was originally planning on offing her parents. I think she got a hold of, or made some chloroform, and had it stored in the trunk. She was going to get that house by staging a home invasion robbery/murder. I think she would have kept Caylee if her parents were dead and she inherited the house and insurance money.

But the fight made her seething mad. Hearing from her mother's lips that they wanted Caylee Marie AND NOT HER---that filled her with rage. They were going to send her away, and they would dote on and spoil the new little princess instead.

I think that she came back home on the 16th after George left, Caylee wanted to swim so she said fine, and she put the ladder up and then she went back inside. She was angry at all of them and did not really care--what happened, happened. End of story. Her folks deserved it for threatening and rejecting her. Too bad. But now her mind was reeling. If she called 911, she doubted anyone would believe it was an accident. Because it wasn't REALLY an accident. She let it happen on purpose. So she needed a plan B.

A kidnapping. That would remove all suspicion from her. So she wrapped Caylee in duct tape, and in a blanket, and then put her quickly in the trunk. She needed to act like everything was 'normal' until she could think of what to do next.

 

[Pink Panther]

This backing into the garage has something to do with everything (I just haven't gone so far as to figure out exactly what IMO). I can't remember the last time DH, or me, or my DD backed into the garage. Backed into the driveway maybe, to make it easier to load or unload luggage or pack/unpack a vehicle, but back into the garage? What would be the purpose? (Must have something to do with the body in/out of the trunk). We live in a gated community in Florida and the homes have 2 and 3 car garages. I have been observing our neighbors for the past few days and no one backs into the garage. You use the auto door opener and drive in.

Backing up the car, if she was doing something around the trunk of the car, would ensure that she and what she was doing was less visible.

moo

 

[tlcya]

Yes. ICA backing into the garage and closing the door is key IMO That was obviously not standard practice or no one would have thought anything of it on the day she did it. As you say, it is atypical for most folks unless traffic patterns near their home demand they be able to pull out forward facing (such as a very busy street), or something unusual is happening such a loading something from out of the garage into the trunk. Now for some folks, such as contractors loading materials, people loading up lots of boxes stored in the garage for the Goodwill, etc, this may be a pretty smart, convenient way to go.

ICA did not do this as a regular practice. Its why it stood out to the neighbor. What else would miss Anthony have been doing on that particular day that would explain this deviation from the norm? She was no contractor. She reports nothing about taking things to Goodwill, she doesn't explain it at all. There is a reason for that.

The backing in is key to when the body was moved from one location to another. Period. Now if JB decides to explain that somehow, we will know, once and for all that he reads here. And we will give him all sorts of stupid red herrings and bad advice to follow.

Hear that JB?

 

[Pink Panther]

A syringe was found in the Gator-Aid bottle. Apparently, it was tested and provided some sort of chloroform evidence. I was away for awhile and missed the details about this? Was the evidence dismissed?

moo

 

[tlcya]

katydid, I agree 100% with the first half of your post. I am unsure about the second half as it does not jibe with my own personal theory but you have given me food for thought.

My own theory is half formed and fluid and trying very hard to be based on evidence. Thank you for your excellent post! Again, as to the come home, seething, pool, inattention, I am not sold, but I am not discounting either.

This is what Websleuths is all about. Different thoughts, experiences, knowledge, ideas, etc all coming together.

Again, thank you. I will be ruminating on yours for a bit

 

[tlcya]

There is phone call evidence that ICA was seeking a babysitter between 3ish and 4ish pm of that day. A dead Caylee would not need a babysitter but would be so much more conveniently explained as "with Zanny"

What if ICA was in the house, frantic to find a sitter so she could hang with her new man, while Caylee was out in the pool, as ICA paced the house, hmmm.

Again, ty katydid. Chewing on this one a bit. . .

 

[Bobbarita]

Backing up the car, if she was doing something around the trunk of the car, would ensure that she and what she was doing was less visible.

moo

Yes. To CONCEAL something...

 

[Bobbarita]

A syringe was found in the Gator-Aid bottle. Apparently, it was tested and provided some sort of chloroform evidence. I was away for awhile and missed the details about this? Was the evidence dismissed?

moo

I remember reading about the syringe as well. Dismissed or not I would be interested in knowing specifically what TYPE (size, cc's, diabetic syringe, standard syringe, etc.) it was. Was the plunger attached? Was a needle attached or present? When you give liquid (oral) medication to a baby or small child, (or even a small animal), the syringe (minus the needle) is the preferred method for ease and accuracy.

 

[Pink Panther]

I remember reading about the syringe as well. Dismissed or not I would be interested in knowing specifically what TYPE (size, cc's, diabetic syringe, standard syringe, etc.) it was. Was the plunger attached? Was a needle attached or present? When you give liquid (oral) medication to a baby or small child, (or even a small animal), the syringe (minus the needle) is the preferred method for ease and accuracy.

In the picture I remember seeing, the plunger and the needle were still attached.

moo

 

[Bobbarita]

I am not exactly sure HOW it happened. But I think I understand the why. Casey's life was crashing down around her when her mom threatened to fight for custody of the baby.

Caylee was the only leverage Casey had left with her folks. Because of that child she was able to mooch off them and to steal them blind. She had a car, insurance, food, a room for her and Caylee, everything she needed for survival. They walked on eggshells, pretending to believe all of her lies just to stay close to Caylee.

But after that final fight, when Cindy snapped, Casey KNEW things were about to change. Cindy said they were going to take custody of the baby, and kick Casey out of the nest. Caylee Marie Anthony was going to replace Casey Maries Anthony in a new updated Winnie The Pooh nursery. CASEY COULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. Once they began those proceedings everything would be ruined. All of her friends would know she lied about EVERYTHING.
And she had nowhere to turn. She had not had a job in ages, no references, no recent experience.She had been telling her friends she was about to get a house for them to all live in. Tony would find out what a fraud she was. SHE COULD NOT LET HER MOTHER SUE FOR CUSTODY.

I have kind of a weird theory, still full of kinks. But I think she was originally planning on offing her parents. I think she got a hold of, or made some chloroform, and had it stored in the trunk. She was going to get that house by staging a home invasion robbery/murder. I think she would have kept Caylee if her parents were dead and she inherited the house and insurance money.

But the fight made her seething mad. Hearing from her mother's lips that they wanted Caylee Marie AND NOT HER---that filled her with rage. They were going to send her away, and they would dote on and spoil the new little princess instead.

I think that she came back home on the 16th after George left, Caylee wanted to swim so she said fine, and she put the ladder up and then she went back inside. She was angry at all of them and did not really care--what happened, happened. End of story. Her folks deserved it for threatening and rejecting her. Too bad. But now her mind was reeling. If she called 911, she doubted anyone would believe it was an accident. Because it wasn't REALLY an accident. She let it happen on purpose. So she needed a plan B.

A kidnapping. That would remove all suspicion from her. So she wrapped Caylee in duct tape, and in a blanket, and then put her quickly in the trunk. She needed to act like everything was 'normal' until she could think of what to do next.

OK, I'm following this, but after Caylee drowns in the pool (and sinks to the bottom) she then dives into the pool and retrieves the dead body? I have never tried it, but I imagine retrieving a 40 lb. dead weight from the bottom of the pool must have been a struggle for KC. She appears to be petite and I have no idea of her diving skills and strength. And then after she retrieves her she maneuvers down the pool ladder with a lifeless Caylee in tow?