Theories on what happened to Haleigh #2

[Skully]

My theory is this scenario:
1) Haleigh is initially injured or hurt by Ron, either during a fight with Misty or in a rage over the previous weekends events
2) Ron goes to work as usual leaving her in Misty's care where she just gets worse,
3) At this point Ron calls Misty or Misty calls Ron....Misty says she needs help, Ron calls either TN or GGM to go there and check on Haleigh (Haleigh at this point is very sick not passed)
4)GGM shows up and in concert with TN decide to take Haleigh with them home (they dont want the hospital because of custody or possible criminal charges for Ron)....at this point Haleigh pass's and TN and/or GGM panic not wanted the police involved for sure (Ron would face serious jail time even for accidental death) and hide away the body... they tell Ron who decides on the breakin/abduction story, which he has 4 to seven hours to devise(hrs are my guess)......

this explain the bricking of the door and Mistys mention of thats how cousin joe did his breakins

this explains why TN and GGM love Misty so much, Misty knows the truth!

this explain the lack of physical evidence....plenty of time to cleanup

explains why Ron would marry Misty even after running around and reportedly having sex with someone else

bottom line is that 4 to 7 hrs is a long time to cleanup a messy situation, the cause falls in line with Rons reported temper and attitude.....and what mother wouldn't want to keep her son out of jail (mine would send me away tho)........just my opinion that maybe would be collaborated with the phone records......btw I sent this scenario to Det. Dominic P to review

any comments or holes to fill.....I know this is contrary to most here but enlighten me with a theory that from start to finish answers all the questions

In the past I would question a mother's loyalty to a child of her own, if he killed a the grand baby. But after see CA in action over KC and Caylee, I believe a mother's love has no bounds or limits to what she would do to protect her child from prison. With that said, how did they silence Jr about the events of this mishap? Granted he was 2 going on 3, but he did chime in about a man in black taking his sissy. The shirt was either a mistake made by Misty, forgetting it had been removed and put on the bottom of the laundry pile, or it was an over site on her part. I do think the Stupid B remark would be a bit over the top and not in line with the scenario of keeping Misty's mouth shut, but maybe she was okay with it, knowing she was part of a bigger plan. I don't know if GGM was that much in love with Ron to cover up manslaughter and disposal of a body, especially a little 5 yr old precious Haleigh, but who knows? I just find it hard to believe no one would save her life by calling 911 and getting her help and then just making up some lie as to how it happened. These are the parts that are hard for me.

 

[Skully]

I also asked this before but no reply here; If Misty was part of this cover up, why did she place herself in the same room, no less the same bed as the kids? Why not just say, Haleigh was in her own room sleeping, I got up, I saw a light, blah, blah, blah....

I do see that someone thought about what a kidnapping would LOOK like if one had happened, but the light kind of blows it.

 

[raeann]

In the past I would question a mother's loyalty to a child of her own, if he killed a the grand baby. But after see CA in action over KC and Caylee, I believe a mother's love has no bounds or limits to what she would do to protect her child from prison. With that said, how did they silence Jr about the events of this mishap? Granted he was 2 going on 3, but he did chime in about a man in black taking his sissy. The shirt was either a mistake made by Misty, forgetting it had been removed and put on the bottom of the laundry pile, or it was an over site on her part. I do think the Stupid B remark would be a bit over the top and not in line with the scenario of keeping Misty's mouth shut, but maybe she was okay with it, knowing she was part of a bigger plan. I don't know if GGM was that much in love with Ron to cover up manslaughter and disposal of a body, especially a little 5 yr old precious Haleigh, but who knows? I just find it hard to believe no one would save her life by calling 911 and getting her help and then just making up some lie as to how it happened. These are the parts that are hard for me.

I would not even pretend to understand WHY they would not get help for her, unless they did not realize she was so seriously injured until it was too late. Perhaps JR. did tell what happened a bit when he said that Haleigh "did not wake up", I have always wondered about that possibility. As for GGM and her attachment to Ron, she essentially raised him according to some reports. Her husband's obit listed Ron and his sister as a SON and daughter not as grandchildren. As for the shirt, I believe that Misty had no clue what Haleigh had on and just described a shirt she wore recently. When LE made her look for the school clothes, she happened to find the shirt she described and was caught in her "mistake". I just think it is that simple. She didn't know Haleigh's birth date, her weight or height, what the house NUMERICAL was, and she had no clue what Haleigh was wearing, either. Unfortunately for Misty, I don't think she or Ron thought anything unusual or unacceptable was said with the "stupid B****" remark. It seems it may be a routine way of speaking within their relationship.

 

[Skully]

IDK, if someone was covering up a crime this large, the last thing I would do is call them a stupid B. But that is me. If there was this big fight, wouldn't Misty want to turn him in, instead of risking going to jail for him? But I already know someone will say she loved him. It is one thing to write a theory here on a thread, it is quite another to actually go though all the steps and see a dead child that you love and really think about what they had to do to protect him. If it was a head injury it is possible for her to have fallen asleep and never wake up, due to a bleed in the brain. But how would Misty know that? With all of Haleigh's medical problems, I would think it was due to that and not a blow to the head that may not have left a mark. I am just really trying to think about every thing they had to do and have the stomach for it. But we may not have the same stomach....right now, mine feels sick.

 

[lonetraveler]

thanks Raeann for the reply to my theory and post.......and while I think it fits actions and attitudes, I'm still open to other scenarios that will take everything into consideration.....because in this crazy world anything is possible

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Your theory is alot like my thoughts DenVIP, except I do not see an injured but alive Haleigh, I see a deceased Haleigh. It could have been something so simple as backing over her in the driveway? He was in such a rage over Misty's shenanigans. I do think that Haleigh was temporarily moved to the dumpster area until he could leave for work. I really wish that any hunting buddies of Ron would get together and search areas that they would know very well. JMO, but the hunting buddies may not want anyone in their woods searching for Haleigh, there might be something growing there that they are protecting? IMO of course.

 

[lonetraveler]

IDK, if someone was covering up a crime this large, the last thing I would do is call them a stupid B. But that is me. If there was this big fight, wouldn't Misty want to turn him in, instead of risking going to jail for him? But I already know someone will say she loved him. It is one thing to write a theory here on a thread, it is quite another to actually go though all the steps and see a dead child that you love and really think about what they had to do to protect him. If it was a head injury it is possible for her to have fallen asleep and never wake up, due to a bleed in the brain. But how would Misty know that? With all of Haleigh's medical problems, I would think it was due to that and not a blow to the head that may not have left a mark. I am just really trying to think about every thing they had to do and have the stomach for it. But we may not have the same stomach....right now, mine feels sick.

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Just assuming that Haleigh did die from a head injury. That may be why Haleigh can not be "found" because there would be evidence of an injury and then LE would suspect murder and most likely charge someone with it. I wish I knew where Jr. was that evening. I would think that if he witnessed anything like this that he would have been traumatized. IMO, if Haleigh was mortally injured, it may have happened very soon after she was picked up at the bus stop and maybe Jr. wasn't with whoever picked her up and that would explain why he doesn't know anything.

 

[nurselady]

I just do not believe either parent had anything to do with this child being gone.I do however have a problem with Misty,there have been kidnappings from the homes with parents sleeping but not in the bed next to the child.This stinkes to high heaven and Mistie holds the key.

 

[lonetraveler]

I just can not forget about the neighbors statement about hearing a woman's loud hollering around the same time that LE reported from the Tyler residence , on the 911 call about the 1 to 1/2 hours ago for the last time Haleigh was seen "within her residence". Maybe if Haleigh was just injured and not deceased when Ron left for work, Misty discovered that she had died at 2:00 instead of 3:00 and immediately called her brother for assistance. Maybe her brother helped her move the body. Now, Ron can't report it because he caused the injury and Misty can't report it because she is afraid of 1. Ron and 2. afraid that she will also be charged. They are both bound in scerecy. ..................I admit, I can't get the timeline to match with this theory because there isn't much time to hide Haleigh between the loud hollering reported by the neighbors and the time that LE arrives???

 

[Ms Suzanne]

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Just assuming that Haleigh did die from a head injury. That may be why Haleigh can not be "found" because there would be evidence of an injury and then LE would suspect murder and most likely charge someone with it. I wish I knew where Jr. was that evening. I would think that if he witnessed anything like this that he would have been traumatized. IMO, if Haleigh was mortally injured, it may have happened very soon after she was picked up at the bus stop and maybe Jr. wasn't with whoever picked her up and that would explain why he doesn't know anything.

or maybe possibly something happened when MC supposedly put Haleigh in the room after Haleigh and JR had a fight and JR was in the other room and didn't know what happened.

 

[lonetraveler]

I also wonder why there is no sound of Jr. on the 911 call. Why? Why didn't Jr. wake up during the commotion going on prior to the 911 call and during the 911 call, what with Ron screaming and cussing and searching through the mh and I would imagine Misty would have been calling Haleigh's name as well when she "couldn't find her". In fact, Misty screaming Haleigh's name could have been what the neighbors overheard. IMO. Could GGM have been there late that evening to take Jr. away from the MH so that Haleigh could be moved without Jr. seeing what was going on? As you can see I have a gazillion questions in my mind........

 

[atherella]

I also wonder why there is no sound of Jr. on the 911 call. Why? Why didn't Jr. wake up during the commotion going on prior to the 911 call and during the 911 call, what with Ron screaming and cussing and searching through the mh and I would imagine Misty would have been calling Haleigh's name as well when she "couldn't find her". In fact, Misty screaming Haleigh's name could have been what the neighbors overheard. IMO. Could GGM have been there late that evening to take Jr. away from the MH so that Haleigh could be moved without Jr. seeing what was going on? As you can see I have a gazillion questions in my mind........

BBM

Junior was apparently there that evening. He was taken to the PCSO to be interviewed as to what he saw and/or heard that evening. Why would he be interviewed as a witness if he was not even present in the home?

IIRC, there is an article online somewhere that mentions he was interviewed by 2 or 3 different child specialists first thing the morning after HaLeigh went missing.

 

[stilettos]

BBM

Junior was apparently there that evening. He was taken to the PCSO to be interviewed as to what he saw and/or heard that evening. Why would he be interviewed as a witness if he was not even present in the home?

IIRC, there is an article online somewhere that mentions he was interviewed by 2 or 3 different child specialists first thing the morning after HaLeigh went missing.

Being interviewed by LE about what he may or may not have seen is not the same thing as being 100% certain he was in the home when the crime was committed. Unless they have video of him in the home that night while HaLeigh is being taken...the only people who can say he was there are Misty and Rc and they have very huge holes in their stories.

 

[atherella]

Being interviewed by LE about what he may or may not have seen is not the same thing as being 100% certain he was in the home when the crime was committed. Unless they have video of him in the home that night while HaLeigh is being taken...the only people who can say he was there are Misty and Rc and they have very huge holes in their stories.

What holes are in Ron's story? He worked his shift from 4:30 p.m. - 3:00 a.m.

LE has stated that there are problems with Misty's timeline.

Junior has apparently stated that he saw a "man in black take sissy". Then the story spiraled to all sorts of different versions of that. Apparently Crystal believed Junior so much so that she even put him on television to tell his version of what happened in the home that evening.

IMO, there is no reason to doubt that Junior was home that night. His name is even blacked out on the police report, as he is a minor. Why would he even be listed if he were not present?

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

Junior was apparently there that evening. He was taken to the PCSO to be interviewed as to what he saw and/or heard that evening. Why would he be interviewed as a witness if he was not even present in the home?

IIRC, there is an article online somewhere that mentions he was interviewed by 2 or 3 different child specialists first thing the morning after HaLeigh went missing.

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Am I recalling correctly, that Jr. was taken to the PCSO by his GGM?

 

[stilettos]

What holes are in Ron's story? He worked his shift from 4:30 p.m. - 3:00 a.m.

LE has stated that there are problems with Misty's timeline.

Junior has apparently stated that he saw a "man in black take sissy". Then the story spiraled to all sorts of different versions of that. Apparently Crystal believed Junior so much so that she even put him on television to tell his version of what happened in the home that evening.

IMO, there is no reason to doubt that Junior was home that night. His name is even blacked out on the police report, as he is a minor. Why would he even be listed if he were not present?

He may have been at the scene when the police arrived. No one knows if he was there prior to that. I will not debate with you about the holes in Ronald Cummings stories and Misty's. They are all over the internet, all over the many HaLeigh threads at WS. Some of your fellow posters have been pointing them out to you for months.

 

[atherella]

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Am I recalling correctly, that Jr. was taken to the PCSO by his GGM?

That's what articles stated. GGMS took him from the home to PCSO where he was immediately interviewed by (I believe) it was 2 or 3 different child psychologists.

 

[lonetraveler]

My theory is this scenario:
1) Haleigh is initially injured or hurt by Ron, either during a fight with Misty or in a rage over the previous weekends events
2) Ron goes to work as usual leaving her in Misty's care where she just gets worse,
3) At this point Ron calls Misty or Misty calls Ron....Misty says she needs help, Ron calls either TN or GGM to go there and check on Haleigh (Haleigh at this point is very sick not passed)
4)GGM shows up and in concert with TN decide to take Haleigh with them home (they dont want the hospital because of custody or possible criminal charges for Ron)....at this point Haleigh pass's and TN and/or GGM panic not wanted the police involved for sure (Ron would face serious jail time even for accidental death) and hide away the body... they tell Ron who decides on the breakin/abduction story, which he has 4 to seven hours to devise(hrs are my guess)......

this explain the bricking of the door and Mistys mention of thats how cousin joe did his breakins

this explains why TN and GGM love Misty so much, Misty knows the truth!

this explain the lack of physical evidence....plenty of time to cleanup

explains why Ron would marry Misty even after running around and reportedly having sex with someone else

bottom line is that 4 to 7 hrs is a long time to cleanup a messy situation, the cause falls in line with Rons reported temper and attitude.....and what mother wouldn't want to keep her son out of jail (mine would send me away tho)........just my opinion that maybe would be collaborated with the phone records......btw I sent this scenario to Det. Dominic P to review

any comments or holes to fill.....I know this is contrary to most here but enlighten me with a theory that from start to finish answers all the questions

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Could GGM have been picking up Jr. the evening before so that he would not be there when Haleigh was moved? Could the reason that Teresa arrived so quickly is because she was close by because she had just dropped Jr. back at the mh so that the story could play out when Ron arrived from work?

 

[DenVIP]

Thanks to all the responses to the theory, and I'll answer some of the questions raised......Jr could have been awake or sleeping, and I doubt a 2-3 yr old could discern whether Haleigh was injured or not.....to him she could have been just tired......also the man in black statements I believe could have been him seeing the police after they arrived and he saw them with the blanket used to track......TN and GGM would protect there son who accidentally hurt Haleigh.....its a maternal thing........Mistys confusion over the clothing in part is due to her not having the ability to focus on the situation as a whole, she could only answer the basics of what she was coached to say, anything more was and still is a struggle, as seen in any interview she has done....she always looked to Ron for the right answers......with one exception and that was when she talked of their marriage plans (that excitement she showed confirms to me how important it was of Ron to marry her, even if she cheated on him a weeks earlier)

 

[Busylady]

JR is old enough though he would be able to tell LE that. TN only lives about 15 minutes away - she was called at 3:30 roughly and arrived after 3:40 and before 3:49. So it took her between 10-19 minutes to arrive.

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Could GGM have been picking up Jr. the evening before so that he would not be there when Haleigh was moved? Could the reason that Teresa arrived so quickly is because she was close by because she had just dropped Jr. back at the mh so that the story could play out when Ron arrived from work?

 

[Skully]

Thanks to all the responses to the theory, and I'll answer some of the questions raised......Jr could have been awake or sleeping, and I doubt a 2-3 yr old could discern whether Haleigh was injured or not.....to him she could have been just tired......also the man in black statements I believe could have been him seeing the police after they arrived and he saw them with the blanket used to track......TN and GGM would protect there son who accidentally hurt Haleigh.....its a maternal thing........Mistys confusion over the clothing in part is due to her not having the ability to focus on the situation as a whole, she could only answer the basics of what she was coached to say, anything more was and still is a struggle, as seen in any interview she has done....she always looked to Ron for the right answers......with one exception and that was when she talked of their marriage plans (that excitement she showed confirms to me how important it was of Ron to marry her, even if she cheated on him a weeks earlier)

I had the same thoughts in the beginning of this case about an accident, but Ron has an alibi from 4:30 to 3:00am. We know that Misty's brother and SIL were over with their kids around % or 5:30 and stayed at least 45 mints. Neighbors saw them playing out in the yard. And GGM came by she said 7:00 and they were eating dinner on the porch. So if Haleigh had this injury and no one noticed it, like Misty's family, that means Ron had to coordinate some of this with Misty, his mother and GGM to get things done so when he comes home, Misty can call 911. I wonder if LE checked any phone records that night? Because there would be some calls back and forth and the times would show if Misty was awake and talking on the phone instead of sleeping. I just don't see these three woman, all letting her die or disposing of her little body. I could maybe see one person, but could there be 3 morally bankrupted individuals ready to carry out this huge charade and cover up to save Ron? An accident would make sense for some of it, but where would you hid this body in such short notice and what car did you use, and why no evidence, like a dog picking up the scent of a body? Maybe I just like the idea that a family member took her and she is alive, but missing her mom and dad.