Barbara said:Agreed. No problem here. Peace :truce: :blowkiss:
I don't know if I like the arguing or the making up more?!?!? :blowkiss:
Barbara said:Agreed. No problem here. Peace :truce: :blowkiss:
ICU said:(John moved the body later that morning when he went into the basement by himself.) Now if he went to the basement later by himself, who saw him do that?IMO
Ivy said:ICU...if an intruder wrote the note and did it beforehand, how in the heck did he manage to sneak into the house with it, without folding it or getting it smudged and dirty and wrinkly? besides, the note was written on paper from the Ramseys' tablet, with their pen.
IMO
little1 said:Where was it? It had to be in the basement, right? JR wouldn't have tried to carry a body around that house with people and cops everyhere. If it was in the basement, why didn't FW OR JR see it before---in the initial first search? WHat other rooms in the basement were not checked that morning?
Actually, did the police ever do a complete search of that house--not a week later--but that day? A complete once over, you know to gather evidence?
little1 said:The truth is most of you who are so damn sure that they are guilty, cannot even agree on who actually committed the murder. There are more scenarios flying around here and other websites that would make ANY movie screenwriter jealous.
BlueCrab said:John admitted he went into the basement later that morning by himself and "checked the broken window". No one believes that.
IMO that's when John moved JonBenet out into the open so she would be found easier. The Ramseys expected her to be found within minutes after the cops got there, but it didn't happen. John and Patsy couldn't stand it any longer, so John moved the body around 10 to 11 A.M.
It's why Fleet White didn't see the body at 6 A.M.; it wasn't there when he looked into the wine cellar at 6 A.M.
JMO
Yeah, points for tidiness, that's itICU said:Ivy, If the intruder used an envelope the size of the letter it would keep it in good shape, I do not believe he sneaked into the house, however he just unlocked the door and let himself in. It would be easy to get paper from the Ramsey house if you were there before, and pens are not hard to find, I could pick up all that stuff at my friends house, even without his knowledge. I do not believe that the intruder was a sloppy person, I always thought that he was smart and organized, he wouldnt have left a ransom note in bad shape.
BlueCrab said:The cops were thrown off that morning by the ransom note. They thought it was a kidnapping and didn't think JonBenet was still in the house. Of course, that's no excuse for the cop's sloppy search of the house and not sealing off the whole house immediately after getting there. Kidnapping is a serious crime too.
Where was the body before John moved it? I don't know; it's only my theory. My guess is tucked somewhere behind the debris stored in the basement.
JMO
Britt said:Yeah, points for tidiness, that's it
The intruder claimed to have two male accomplices (see note). Perhaps the intruder/notewriter wrote the note while the accomplices were committing or staging the crime, or perhaps while they were having pineapple with JonBenet. Tidy AND efficient, this faction.
But IMO Patsy wrote the note and the two male accomplices were John and Burke, but that's JMO... and technically speaking, Burke may've been an accomplice after the fact (by lying to participate, knowingly or not, in the coverup).
Shylock said:What the majority of us agree on is that there was nobody in the house that night except the four members of the Ramsey family. There is no way to know for sure which of the surviving three was responsible for JonBenet's death and which (or how many) of the three were involved in the staging to cover-up what really happened. Each of the three Ramseys had the ability and opportunity to commit the crime, so all three are prime suspects.
Steve Thomas was right on the money when he said that unless there is a confession, this case will never be solved.
BlueCrab said:The cops were thrown off that morning by the ransom note. They thought it was a kidnapping and didn't think JonBenet was still in the house. Of course, that's no excuse for the cop's sloppy search of the house and not sealing off the whole house immediately after getting there. Kidnapping is a serious crime too.
Where was the body before John moved it? I don't know; it's only my theory. My guess is tucked somewhere behind the debris stored in the basement.
JMO
little1 said:Where was it? It had to be in the basement, right? JR wouldn't have tried to carry a body around that house with people and cops everyhere. If it was in the basement, why didn't FW OR JR see it before---in the initial first search? WHat other rooms in the basement were not checked that morning?
Actually, did the police ever do a complete search of that house--not a week later--but that day? A complete once over, you know to gather evidence?
Toltec said:Second, I believe JonBenet's body was tucked further into the wine cellar which explains why Fleet did not see her. When John went downstairs, he moved JonBenet closer to the door.
IMO
Toltec said:Let's get some facts straight...John went into the basement BEFORE Detective Linda Arndt showed up..at around 8:10am. He told LE that he went into the basement between 7-9am. We know it is more like 7-8am. It's in the NE book...
Second, I believe JonBenet's body was tucked further into the wine cellar which explains why Fleet did not see her. When John went downstairs, he moved JonBenet closer to the door.
IMO
why_nutt said:I can find this credible because of one specific aspect of the case. If you look at the picture of the white blanket on the cellar floor, you can see that it is positioned directly over the safe which was drilled into the ground. But JonBenet's body shows no signs of laying over the safe for any length of time. There is no blanching of her back's lividity in the shape of the safe's door. The blanket does not appear to be so thick that it would absorb the height of the safe hinges and handle in such a way as to leave no mark on JonBenet. If, as you speculate, JonBenet was positioned somewhere other than over the safe, her body would have been laying on smooth ground and lividity would be unremarkable.
Note: If, on the other hand, JonBenet's body truly was left over the safe and not moved, then this speaks to even more concern on the part of the killer for JonBenet's "comfort." The killer might have left the blanket under JonBenet specifically to protect her body from being marked by the safe door. An intruder would have no instinctive reason to make her comfortable this way. A parent would instinctively do so.
ICU said:Why isn't Burke in a psychiatric ward, do you have any idea what a murder like this could do to the mind of a nine year old boy? Have you ever known a nine year old boy keeping a secret? never mind a secret murder, He would have to brain dead. the Ramseys would be plotting his murder next, for fear that he will talk when it gets to much for him.
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ICU said:Little1 You Asked "why didn't FW OR JR see it before---in the initial first search?"
I believe that FW did see her, because that is just where he left her. John knew that FW checked the wine cellar, so all he did was look at the broken window in the basement, so they say. I believe that he would have no reason to believe that his daughter was in the basement because the note said that she was kidnapped. It wasn't until the detective told John and Fleet to check around for anything unusual, is when he checked the basement, However if Fleet said that he checked the wine cellar, why didn't he yell out to John that he already looked there and not to bother because he did not see anything? instead he let John discover his daughter.
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Barbara said:Believe it or not, we have something in common. If your theory is that Fleet White killed JBR, then like me, you also have no faith that the DNA is a viable piece of evidence. After all, Fleet White's DNA was also tested and did not match.
Now having said that, it must also be your opinion, given your past posts about FW's involvement in a child sex ring that John Ramsey is also a pedophile, because nobody with common sense can separate the fact that John Ramsey was also accused along with Fleet of being a part of this pedophile ring.
So you see, every theory has a common thread.